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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 11:23 am PDT

I breastfeed in public

I breastfeed in public!! 

  

I don't think anyone has the RIGHT to tell us to cover up!!  If you don't want to see..don't look!! 

  

I breastfeed discreetly.  However, I don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone to cover up.  IF they are breastfeeding, then why cover up - if they are using it for sexual gradification then they should cover up! 

  

Breastfeeding is natural.  This is from the Ontario Human Rights Commission 

  • www.ohrc.on.ca/english/guides/pregnancy-breastfeeding.shtml:

      

    WHAT ABOUT BREASTFEEDING? 

    You have rights as a nursing mother. For example, you have the right to breastfeed a child in a public area. No one should prevent you from nursing your child simply because you are in a public area. They should not ask you to "cover up", disturb you, or ask you to move to another area that is more "discreet". 

      

    I also attach a copy part of the Act from the POLICY ON DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF PREGNANCY AND BREASTFEEDING: 

      

    Section 5.:   

    "5.         BREASTFEEDING AND DISCRIMINATION

    As noted above, pregnancy includes the post-natal period, which includes breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is a natural part of child-rearing, and so is integrally related to the ground of sex, as well as to family status. Numerous studies have demonstrated the benefits of breastfeeding for mothers, children, and their communities, in terms of physical and emotional health and development.  Women should not be disadvantaged in services, accommodation or employment because they have chosen to breastfeed their children.  

      

    Breastfeeding includes pumping or expressing milk, as well as nursing directly from the breast.  

     

    Sometimes women are discouraged by others from breastfeeding in public places because of concerns that it is indecent. Breastfeeding is really a health issue, and not one of public decency. Women should have the choice to feed their baby in the way that they feel is most dignified, comfortable, and healthy. " 

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    I couldn't have said that any better!!  I honestly do not understand why some women are "put off" by a breastfeeding mother.  It's not like they are exposing themselves for sexual gradification of awaiting comments from the public.  They are sitting minding their own business and feeding their child. 

     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:24 am PDT

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    Quote From: eureeka321

    I strongly disagree with the Mom on the show arguing for breastfeeding in public and I wish I could have been there to ask her a question.  She said that she can do it anywhere, anytime, and she doesn't give a hoot if anyone is strongly offended.  What I would like to know is this:  If she is in a classy restaurant with 100 other people, all who are at least slightly uncomfortable with public breastfeeding... is she saying that all 100 people should get up and leave just because one person wants to whip out her breast and feed her child at the table?  I'm sorry- have some consideration for the public.  If you are making more than one person uncomfortable and there is something you can do about it, then do it.  Most bathrooms these days have chairs or couches... sit there while you do it.  Go to your car.  Bring a bottle with you when you know you will be in public.  Put a blanket over yourself.  There are so many options.   

      

    Yes I know it's natural to breastfeed- but people are grossed out when men scratch their genitals in public.  Scratching is a totally natural thing to do- the fingers are made to scratch just as the breast is made to feed.  If you can breastfeed, they should be able to scratch their genitals. 

      

    What about the young children around? We are trying to teach them modesty and respect, yet a ten year old boy, just becoming curious about the opposite sex, should have to see a woman with her breast exposed?   

      

    You want to breastfeed, that's your decision and I respect it.  Do it at home, do it in the car, do it in the bathroom, do it in the back of the room or someplace where you aren't in full view.  Be modest and respectful. 

    I bf in public all the time, and the most you can see is a flash of nipple when my daughter latches on and perhaps some abdomen. WOW! That's so much worse than the cleavage that probably is exposed at your hypothetical restaurant hmm?  There is also a huge difference between an adult scratching himself, and a mother FEEDING her child. How could you possibly compare the two? How about you have some consideration for the child who doesn't understand why he/she "has" to eat in a nasty, smelly place because someone else can't get over their phobia of a little skin? If you come join me on that couch or chair (which really, I haven't seen anywhere LOL) then I'll move into a bathroom.
     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:24 am PDT

    Breastfeeding

    Quote From: bbridgette

    Firstly,  whether the American culture has sexualized breasts or not..it is still America..and if you prefer another culture..move!   

    I read several posts that stated these women are breast feeding up and beyond ages2 and 3.  That is just ridiculous,  and mommy has issues! 

    Also,  breastfeeding is only as healthy as the mother.  So,  if you are eating chips and drinking wine,  or taking aspirin,  eating anything but organic veggies..and all other foods less the pesticides and steroids found in most grocery store items..then you aren't doing ANY child ANY favors!  You are loading them up with carcinogens!  Breastmilk is an immune booster for only the first few hours after birth when the milk contains collostrum.  After that..your own health needs to be assessed for breastmilk to be beneficial to a child. 

    And ladies..NOBODY wants to see your boobs unless you are dancing in a strip club.   

    Again..this is America..love it or leave it! 

    This is a tangent, but I had to say you are very misinformed.  Whether a mother's diet is healthy or not, her milk is still perfectly balanced.  The composition of milk is almost exactly the same from woman to woman, whether she eats broccoli or Whoppers.  Any nutrients she ingests at all go first to the milk, then to her own body.  And the immune properties of breastmilk continue for as long as the mother breastfeeds -- they are especially concentrated in the colostrum but they don't vanish after that.   

      

    By the way, even if what you said WAS true, most formula is made from cow's milk -- do you think those cows are eating organic, pesticide-free feed?   

      

    As for breastfeeding up to age 2 or 3 -- that is the statistical norm world-wide.  Actually, the figure most often given for the world-wide average age of weaning is over FOUR YEARS.  The World Health Organization recommends nursing for a minimum of 2 years.  The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends a minimum of 1 year and as long after that as mom and baby want.  Those who feel that babies should be weaned by 6 weeks, or 3 months, or when they have teeth, or by their first birthday, or when they can ask for it -- those are the people who are out of sync with the entire Earth.  Would you like to "love it or leave it?" 

      

    And speaking of love it or leave it, I'm not the one you were addressing, but America is MY country too.  My nursing has just as much place here as your revulsion to it.  I think I'll stay. 

     

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    October 7, 2005, 11:25 am PDT

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    Quote From: garlicfan

    I have no problem with giving out free condoms in the schools. Pre-marital sex, or any sexual relationship, is much more than an "idea," it is also a matter of hormones. We tell people when driving a car to wear a seat belt - not because we truely believe they will be in an accident but because we wish them to be prepared in case they are in an accident; just in case they should use poor judgment and go too fast around a curve. It seems to me that even the best intentioned can make a mistake, why should the pentality for that mistake be contracting an STD, some which can be life-threatening, or conceiving a child that is not truely wanted.  Whether a person of any age has pre-marital sex is a matter of moral values coupled with their ability to control their emotions. Not an easy task  even for those of a mature age, whatever that may be.
    So should we also hand out needles just in case they want to try shooting up some herion so we can prevent them from getting AIDS?  Should we pass out free baggies of dope to ensure it isn't laced with anything or that they don't get shot in a drug deal gone bad? 
     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:26 am PDT

    Breastfeeding in public

    Quote From: acentobie

    I dont want you to see my BOOBS. And you are very ignorant on breastmilk as well. You should read up. Breastmilk is made specifically for your infant. Do you drink cow's milk??? Did you ever consider the fact that it is made for baby cows?? Not for humans. Breastfeeding any infant is far better than formula feeding. Not to say that a drug addited mother should brestfeed, dont get me wrong. And a little glass of wine every once in a while will not hurt the baby either.  Not to say that an alcholic should brestfeed either. But breastmilk is using the mother's reserves for making milk not taking in new food everyday to produce. And most humans do have enough reserves in there stores to make suitable milk, of course unless youve been anorexic or bulimic or have some other servere problem. 

      

     You act as if we all want to go around showing our boobs and that is not it at all, you are making it into that issue. I am feeding my child nothing more nothing less. NOt trying to show my boobs nor flaunt my boobs. I would also like to say that if this was a debate about women showing to much cleavage in public and you were stating I dont want to see your breasts, wouldn't someone say you have a jealousy issue?? Maybe that is the issue here as well. My fist daughter had a brain injury due to her birth and I was told by my neurosurgeon to breastfeed, and it was hard I had to pump exclusivly  because she wouldnt latch on. I did this for 6 months, around the clock every3 hours on the dot, until my milk dried up. Partly from stress and partly because of exclusivly pumping. I did this for the good of my child and the health of my child, but if I could have feed her naturally I would have in a minute and anywhere she needed it. I would never tell someone they couldnt brestfeed in public and you women should be ashamed of yourselves doing so, you are discouraging some mothers to do the most natural thing in the world. 

     Boy do you have some issues!  People only want to see boobs in a strip club?  You've got to be kidding.  Men want to see them everywhere and anywhere.  But breastfeeding is not about exhibitionism.  It is about feeding a human being and it is about making the baby feel secure and loved.  Sounds like you probably were not breastfed.  To bad, it might have helped you to be a more secure, loving, and compassionate human being.
     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:26 am PDT

    Feeding in the washroom???

    Now, let me start by asking.... do YOU go in the bathroom and eat your food? 

      

    I would honestly think that you don't.  So why would it be ok for a baby to eat in the bathroom?  As I stated with my earlier post... breastfeeding in public is natural.   

     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:28 am PDT

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    Quote From: coodaa

    I love watching a breastfeeding mother/child pair.  I spontaneously smile at the bonded pair.  I become warmed with a nice, comfy, fuzzy feeling.  It's almost as if I can feel the love and nurturing the mamma and baby are sharing.  The feeling is natural and spontaneous.  I don't usually put much thought into it, but when I do think about it, the depth of my contentment grows.  I know that today's children are our future leaders.  Breastfeeding is a wonderful source of comfort, nurturing and security.  I find safety and security in the thought of my future leaders being adult children of nursing mothers.  We hear alot about adult children of disfunctional parents.  Let's spend some time thinking about adult children of breastfeeding mothers.   

      

    I obtain even more comfort from breastfeeding research.  Science has demonstrated that breastfeeding is not only the best food for babies, it is also good preventive "medicine" for moms and babies and is associated with lower risks of disease for both babies and for mothers.  Many are aware of the reduced risks of childhood infections for the breastfed baby.  Few are aware that breastfeeding also is good for mamma's health.  Take breast cancer, for example.  Nursing drastically reduces the risk of premenapausal breast cancer.   

      

    When I see breastfeeding in public, I see happy, secure children; I see healthier moms; and I see lower health care costs. 

      

    Michelle Breen 

    Illinois 

    What a nice thing to say!!   Thank you!! 

      

     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:31 am PDT

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    I think breastfeeding is a good thing. I think it is a good thing for both sides t be respectful and sensitive to eachothers beliefs and values. I know it is hard to cover the baby at times. I nursed three, but there are ways to work something out and when you see a woman trying to breastfeed respectfully be kind and understanding. I have a friend that had a cool thing. It wne tover her neck and it wa sa light blanket but at the top was a net like mesh so the baby had ventilation ,for those hot days, and so the mother could see the baby but no one else could. I think something like that would really help woman that are a little larger since it is secured around your neck. THere was plenty of room to work around. I think her sister made it but I am sure you could find one or have a seamstress make one, I am going to. It is important that we do what is best for our children. The people that get offended dont have to help us raise our children and are not accountable for how things work out. We are. So do things based on what is right for you and your child not because someone says too.
     

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    October 7, 2005, 11:32 am PDT

    You want to talk about consideration

    Quote From: rplover

    Why does everyone feel that whatever they want or believe to be right is right? Listen to yourselves. All the pro-breastfeeders-in -public say that it is alright because THEY believe it is right and  because THEY can't understand why someone is offended. Some people are offended! Please allow them that right to be offended. You are probably offended by things also. Do you want someone smoking at your table? If not, do you leave or do you expect that person to stop? People can't always get away from a situation that bothers them. Everyone should be sensitive to others and be as least offensive as possible because we ALL have our issues. Would you let your child urinate or defecate in the middle of a mall if they really had to go? Those of you who wish the USA would be like other countries, would you like it to be ok to spit and urinate in public places? To throw trash anywhere you want? Try to look at all sides and not be so self-centered.
    How about considering the FACT that breastfeeding is the BEST form of nutrition for an infant and that they should be fed on demand?  How about consider the rights of the baby?  The baby has the right not to go hungry and to eat his/her meal where other humans it their meals.  What if I find bottle feeding offensive?  Should I ask a bottle feeding mother to cover up?  After all I am trying to teach my children that breastfeeding is normal, natural, and optimal so if they see a baby with a bottle well then that is just sending them the wrong message.  You cannot equate defecating, urinating, smoking and breastfeeding in public.  That is just sick.  The first 3 are health hazards, the latter is not.
     
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    October 7, 2005, 11:32 am PDT

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    I personaly feel that a child has every right to eat in public no matter if it's artificial or natural.  I am offended to see bottle-feeders however I would never make them go in the bathroom etc to eat. nor would I ask them to cover up the baby because the bottle offends me. 
     
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