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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

Breastfeeding In Public

I think it is the right of the mother to breast feed in public. If her child is hungry, her child is hungry and the baby needs food. If she wants to breast feed her child, then she is allowed to with the appropriate materials covering her breast from everybody's view. If the other people don't agree with it, then shouldn't they leave? If it bothers them to see the mother breast feeding their child, they can look away. Stop looking, it's none of YOUR business if the mother wants to breast feed her child in public.
 

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October 7, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

All for it

I am a mother of two.  I breastfed my son until he was 15 months and I was pregnant with my daughter.  I am still nursing her now and she is 10 months old.  I am so incredibly annoyed with the ignorance that is showing up on these message boards.   

  

1st of all, I have to admit that I am not a very good public nurser.  If and when I have to do it, I am pretty discrete about it.  With my son I over produced so he was very good about breast and bottle...I simply pumped and took a bottle along.  It was very convenient for me.  I could sit down and pump 20 oz easily.  My daughter on the other hand will not take a bottle and I am not producing like I was with my son.  I can no longer pump out a bottle like I used to.  I have friends who struggle to pump a half an ounce.  There are allot of reasons why some breastfeeding mom's simply can't bottle feed....and I don't think they or I should be ostracized to make the public comfortable.      

  

Having said that....I do understand that it can make people uncomfortable.  It made me uncomfortable prior to having kids....but again, there are so many ways to be discreet about it that no one even has to know.   Breasts were a means of food for our children long before they became a sexual object.  I do believe you can be discreet and still give your baby the same loving nourishing benefits that breastfeeding has to offer.  You don't even need a blanket...you can do it discretely without covering your baby up or making them hot or eat in the dark.   

  

Now for the ignorance.... 

*You can not compare breastfeeding to giving birth or to a butt crack showing...they are nothing alike. 

*You can not say that breastfeeding moms are un-American.....please....that's your argument? 

*You can not tell me that you would ever go into a public restroom to eat breakfast, lunch or dinner, no-one even said anything about wiping your sandwich on the toilet seat first...it would just be unsanitary to even eat in there.   

*I believe it's a woman's choice to breastfeed or to not breastfeed her child, I do not feel she should be judged for choosing either of the two.   

*Breast milk does not become unbeneficial after the first couple of hours when the colostrum is gone????....read up before you make a comment like that. 

*Breast milk causes a colicky baby??????? 

*Breastfeeding mothers are too selfish to give their children formula.....are you kidding me...if your breast fed your baby you would know what kind of sacrifice you actually make.  It's a bond and a beautiful experience, but it's not always fun......it's just totally worth it to me. 

*Public breastfeeding moms are just looking for an excuse to show there breasts in public....???? 

*Breastfeeding in public is like stripping.....they don't even compare. 

*And lastly....Breastfeeding in public could cause jealousy that could cause rage and breastfeeding mom's should look out...your joking...right...you are actually threatening nursing mothers 

  

I could go on and on...but I need to go breastfeed my daughter..... 

  

  

   

 
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October 7, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

I was badly portrayed

 I went on this show assuming that Dr. Phil supported my parenting style.  Heck, I learned it all from him!  I remove my kids when they are out of control and I have them under control most of the time.  There are times, however, that they are out of control.  Let's face it.  With 3 kids ages 2, 3, and 4, you drastically increase your odds of them being out of control at least at some point when you are out in public.  When I said my kids were out of control, I really thought I said "sometimes" they are out of control.  Isn't that great, how much editting they can do when they want to?  They followed my children for an entire day, with no naps and hardly a break for lunch.  At the end of the day they had us sit outside a Dairy Queen for 1 1/2 hours just waiting for someone to walk by and look at us.  So, there I show up at the show and all the cute moments that happened that day weren't on my tape piece.  There was only my kids throwing fits!

Also, my oldest is mildly autistic.  People look at her behavior problems and assume I am a bad parent.  I pointed that out on the show, but it was EDITTED OUT!  Everything I said to defend myself was editted out.  If you had seen the original show, I don't think I looked quite that bad! 

My whole point was that people have no idea what is going on with my family and they should butt out.  Isn't that fun that the word "butt out" is the only part of that that they showed on the show?

I am angry with Dr. Phil.  I loved this show before I got there, but after being on the show, I would warn you.  Dr. Phil is a better dressed, higher budget, nicer sounding Jerry!

Mom to 3 lovable crazy kids
 
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October 7, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Breast feeding:  I feel breast feeding is natural.  I do not have a problem with it.  I do have  a problem with those who do it to show of their breast in a sexual manner.  You can tell the difference!  I guess just be aware of your surroundings.  I also think the topic of breastfeeding and when to stop breastfeeding.  I do have issues with anyone who does it after the child is a year old.  I feel after that time you are doing it for personal reasons and the benefits for your baby are no longer there.  I would like to see a show done on this! 

  

Condoms:  Sex education is very important for EVERYONE!!!!  I think having condoms available is great.  Making them available with having to ask for them is even better.  Kids are shy, and with all the publicity its getting why would a kid go and ask for them and have someone lecture them.  No one wants that.  I think its a great idea. 

  

Other peoples children's behavior:   I think there is not a problem with making comments or suggestions to the parents.  But taking it upon yourself to punish or scold is really not good.  If anything at all try to put it in a positive way and maybe suggest you can help if you like.   

  

The women with the 3 children and one on the way, I feel she needs to step out of the picture and take a look at what is going on.  Is number four such a good idea when you admitted you can not handle three.  Maybe someone should be handing her condoms!  I know parenting is extremely hard and its not the same for anyone.  But when you admit to the fact you have no control, that adding another innocent child to the chaos is the best course of action.  I feel this women needs some desperately needed help!!!!   And a talk about birth control!   

  

These are only my views. 

 Your comment on breastfeeding struck a nerve with me. Why the magic age of 12 months? What is the difference in a baby who is 11 months and 21 days old and a baby who is 12 months and 3 days?

Please explain to me how I can force my 14 month old daughter to breastfeed for my benefit? Please, you can't make a six year old eat brussle sprouts any easier than you can force an older baby or toddler to breastfeed. And come on, how is it enjoyable to nurse a teething child? They get a sloppy latch because their mouths' hurt and that in turn hurts the momma.  Have you ever breastfed before? It is not done for the mother's enjoyment at all.

And for us personally, my baby would have starved if she wasn't nursing. She has some real issues with food and refuses to eat. She also refuses to use a bottle so it's not like formula is an option either.  And why should we force "real" food on her and create issues there when she has the perfect food custome made for her available to her? Breastmilk changes as a baby grows. The breastmilk for a newborn is higher in fat than the breastmilk made for an older baby. And breastmilk is full of antibodies for a baby at any age. Not to mention the reduced risk of allergies that run so high in my family.

Give me one good reason NOT to nurse my toddler.
 
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October 7, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

Breastfeeding should be encouraged

I believe that breastfeeding should be encouraged and celebrated.  Unfortunately, we live in a society that fails to support breastfeeding.  Nursing mothers should either be allowed to breastfeed their baby in any public situation or be provided with adequate facilities to do so in private.   I am a mother of a 4-month old who I am currently breastfeeding.  Because I am socially responsible and understand that some people are offended by breastfeeding, I've nursed by baby in public washrooms and attempted to nurse using a blanket/cover.  Using a public washroom is not the ideal place to nurse - mom must sit on the toilet - and you have to hold the baby with one hand and get yourself ready with the other hand along with any burp cloths, etc that may be needed because there is nowhere to set down the baby.  It's quite a challenge.  Perhaps nursing mothers should demand "Nursing Rooms" at major public places such as at sporting events and malls.  These could come equipped with a rocking chair and change table.  I wouldn't mind being "banished" to one of these rooms.  Using a blanket or cover while breastfeeding in public is not as easy as it may sound.  A blanket can easily move and therefore fail to provide the necessary cover required.  A cover specifically designed for breastfeeding is not ideal on a hot afternoon at a baseball game.  I tried this and my poor baby was suffocating from the heat under this cover.  Overall, breastfeeding is not encouraged and because it can be so challenging, many new moms are turning towards formula for the convenience.  This is very sad, as babies are born to be breastfed and formula is designed for emergency situations where breastfeeding is impossible.  But who can resist the lure of feeding your baby in public, acceptably, with a bottle?  What a shame!  In an ideal world, we would all be comfortable breastfeeding our babies anywhere.
 
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October 7, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

I have 2 children and am expecting my third.  I breastfed both of them for just under a year each, and will also nurse the new baby.  I nursed both of my kids in public, walking around stores, at the park, wherever we were when the baby got hungry.  I always tried to keep a blanket to cover myself, but when you have a 9 or 10 month old, they tend to just rip the blanket off, no matter how discreet I tried to be.  I think it's ridiculous for other people to be offended by nursing mothers, especially since you don't even hardly see the breast.  You see a little bit of skin and a baby's head.  I don't understand how people can be that bothered by something that is so healthy for a child.  I do understand the need for discretion, but there is absolutely no way I would ever take my child into a restroom to eat.  I really think that people who want mothers to take their babies elsewhere to feed need to go eat their meal in the bathroom, or go sit in a car and try to nurse for half an hour.  Maybe then these people would have a greater understanding of the need to nurse in public. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 2:43 pm PDT

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Quote From: ingram33

AS I sat watching your program and breast-feeding my 3 month old at the same time, I was more compelled to agree that breast-feeding in public is a woman's right. However, I do believe in discretion. As a breast-feeding mother of a 3 month old and a labor & delivery/post-partum nurse, I strongly promote breastfeeding for babies. It is the best beginning food for an infant and is the best nutrition for a baby up until age 1. As any breast-feeding mother can tell you, it is very difficult to find a clean and sanitary place to nurse an infant in a public place. If more establishments offered quiet, clean, and comfortable places for women to go to nurse their babies, I think that there would be less need for them to "whip it out" and feed their (usually) screaming, hungry infant in a very public place. I would much rather see a woman discreetly breast-feeding her infant in a restaurant than listen to the child scream at the top of its lungs, ruining everyone's dinner. In Illinois, it is written that a woman has the right to feed her infant anywhere she wants. And as a breast-feeding mother, you will see me DISCREETLY feeding my child whenever he needs to eat. If there is an established area for me to privately breast-feed my child, I will utilize that area. But until all public establishments recognize that 75% of mothers are breastfeeding their children and need private areas to feed, I am forced to do so in public.
Did it ever occur to you to use a bottle when in public if you can't conceal your breastfeeding.  You are not FORCED to breastfeed in public.  I agree with the woman on the show that not everyone wants to see you breastfeeding - look away?  if you would cover up, no one would have to look away.  You women who insist on baring it all in public to breastfeed are doing nothing more than making a point that you can and will do what you want when you want.  Why don't you have some consideration for other people?
 
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October 7, 2005, 2:43 pm PDT

Breastfeeding and Attractiveness

I am not sure why Dr. Phil chose this woman to represent the "NO" side of breastfeeding in public.  Her only opposition to it seems to be that it is unattractive and she therefore has the right not to be exposed to it in public.  Personally, I find her unattractive, therefore following her logic I should not have to be exposed to HER in public.   Come on, lady, if you want to have an opinion, at least think about it first and make an EDUCATED argument about it. 

  

Incidentally, I breastfed both my babies in public, yet did it discreetly without flashing the milk jugs to everyone in the vicinity! 

 
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October 7, 2005, 2:43 pm PDT

What an idiot...

I just finished watching the debate over breastfeeding, all I have to say is the girl who was against breastfeeding in public sounded like an idiot to me.  She didn't have any reason not to like it except for that it "wasn't attractive" - it's not supposed to be attractive, it's supposed to feed your child!!!  When you are a breastfeeding mother, you have no choice as to when your child gets hungry and you have to feed them.  I don't believe it's fair for a breastfeeding mother to be relegated to the restroom when the rest of the family is enjoying their meal.  And as far as covering up goes, I can't imagine that if I still breastfed my 1 year old and tried to throw a blanket over his face how long that would last!  I say all the power to you to any mother who wants to breastfeed in public - and everyone who is offended by it - look away and mind your own business!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 2:43 pm PDT

Re: nursing in public

Quote From: missjane2

I breastfed one of my 4 kids for 12 months.  The others I didn't.  I really don't remember breastfeeding in public.  Although it doesn't bother me to see a mom breastfeed her baby WITHOUT TEETH in public.  What would be an interesting subject is talking to mom's who breastfeed their older children.....??????  Kindergarden?  And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?
 So you punish your children for getting teeth?
 
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