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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 3:45 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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All I have to say is this: I'll feed my kid in the bathroom when one of those people who are against NIP clean/disenfect it for me first. I don't see any of them sitting in a stall eating their lunch...why should my kid have to? 

  

I have worked as an onsite computer trainer and need to pump while at work. Since I work in a different place each day, I am not familiar with the local facilities. When I ask where I can pump, I get very different answers. Most women tell me to use the bathroom, but most men will either tell me about a mommy room or find a discrete place for me.  I have the same answer (as above) to all those who say I should pump my breastmilk in a bathroom...not to mention the fact that I've never seen an electrical outlet on a toilet!  

  

Thanks for letting me vent! I dispise ignorant people! 

-Susan 

As a person who doesn't even like to breathe the air in a  public restroom, I wouldn't expect you to feed your baby in there.  That is wrong.   

  

However, I do appreciate discretion while breast feeding.  I have three children of my own, and it never occurred to me to make others uncomfortable by feeding my child in front of them. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 3:45 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public ... US is missing something

Well I just finished listening to a few women's opinions on TV and have a few things to say. 

  

I live in Canada, I guess I have not been to a lot of public facilities in the states so I can't be sure about this or not and perhaps I might have missed something but there seems to me to be a very simple solution to all this arguing and that would be to place mother's lounge's in public area's such as malls and shopping centers.  This is a place where a mother can go to change her child to go to the bathroom with her stroller and to also breastfeed in an enviroment where she will not be seen or scowled at by grumpy people who find it offensive (which is sad really)   

We (the human race) are the only people who look down on this kind of function.  All of God's other creatures feed their young naturally and I don't think you would see another dear scowling down at another deer for feeding her baby in public.  Shame on you people who thing that way it really is sad.  BUT unfortunely we have to put up with this kind of behavior all the time ... and this is why mothers should have a special place to go in Malls and these types of places where they will feel safe.  I am a breastfeeding mother and I have seen people doing it on many occasions and to tell you the truth it doesn't have to be as the lady on the show was explaining it ... Whip it out and so forth ... you don't even see anything most of the time.  the baby is covering the most revealing part of the breast.  PEOPLE NEED TO RELAX.   

Why is America so unhealty???   

Why is the Family Unit Deteriorating in the States so rapidly??? 

Why are so many children negected??? 

  

I feel you need to look at these questions very closly as I feel there may be some links to this whole issue.  IF its such a big deal as to how a mother feeds her child ... it just doesn't make any sense to me why this is such a big deal. 

  

And Another point .... Society would rather see a bottle with formula shoved in a babies mouth with artificial and subsititutions that just don't cut it then see a women feeding her child the natural antibodies and nutrition ... GOOD GOD PEOPLE ... smarten up PLEASE for the sake of the future.   

  

Thank You for lisenting ... I would love to hear from you if you have some points to make ... Maybe I am wrong but this world needs a little more love and less fuss. 

  

From a concerned mother 

 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

breastfeeding in public

I think it is completely fine to breastfeed in public, as long  as you cover up. I have a 7 month old little girl, who is my first. I breastfed her until she was 6 1/2 months and since she was my first, I was horrified to breastfeed in public. I  always went to my car, the bathroom, or would just hurry up and go home. I only did it a few times in public and always had people give me dirty looks. I started being more open to doing it in public when I was flying on a plane. I was at the Newark airport in New Jersey and they didn't have any locaton in the airport to breastfeed privately, not even in the bathroom. I was going to do it in the bathroom, but it smelled of defecation and thought why should I and my daughter have to smell this while she is trying to eat? I think I was more nervous about breastfeeding in public because she was my first. The next time around, I really don't care. I will cover up and think others should too, but I will do it where ever I feel like it.
 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

Condoms in Schools

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I have no problem with giving out free condoms in the schools. Pre-marital sex, or any sexual relationship, is much more than an "idea," it is also a matter of hormones. We tell people when driving a car to wear a seat belt - not because we truely believe they will be in an accident but because we wish them to be prepared in case they are in an accident; just in case they should use poor judgment and go too fast around a curve. It seems to me that even the best intentioned can make a mistake, why should the pentality for that mistake be contracting an STD, some which can be life-threatening, or conceiving a child that is not truely wanted.  Whether a person of any age has pre-marital sex is a matter of moral values coupled with their ability to control their emotions. Not an easy task  even for those of a mature age, whatever that may be.
You're right, we do tell people to wear a seat belt in the car to help prevent injury in the case of an accident. And yes, condoms do help prevent STDs and pregnancy. However, sex is NOT, and never is, an accident. You don't just accidentally have sex with someone, it is a conscious choice that you make. You're hormones may be raging and you may be caught up in the moment, but you can still say no. Yes, people do make mistakes, but if you are responsible and mature enough to decide to have sex with someone, with or without a condom, then you had better be responsible and mature enough to deal with the consequences, whether it is an STD or an unwanted pregnancy.
 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

  

I would just like to say that is annoying to have people imposing their discomfort onto someone that is comfortable with themselves, their body and what they do with it. "Look away" seems to be the best thing to do if you can't handle it. In our society, people are so far removed from their natural state of being and end up buying into some slick, plastic and unreal version of what it is to be a human being. We are not robots nor are we slaves to these contrived concepts of life. In this day and age, I would be ashamed to have such a narrow and ultimatley out of touch view of something that is ultimately natural. Get with it! If you are uncomfortable with a woman feeding her baby, then you have missed one of the milestones that make you a mature person - hence you are not mature in that regard. The woman who has her priorities straight - her child and not your immature reaction to her breastfeeding - is the woman who makes the world a better place to live.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

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 Woman should be able to breastfeed wherever they want.  I breastfed in public, but I covered up.  But for those people who think its gross, how were they fed.  By the bottle by a mother to busy to take care of there children.  It is how it happens. 

 Condoms should be passed out in High school only.  If a middle school child is having sex, then they need to be looking at there parents.  Not the fact that they are curious.  They shouldn't be curious in middle school.  They are still kids. 

 I wouldn't discipline another child in public.  That is not my job.  My job is to make sure my child is not making an ass out of them selves as well as my self.  My Daughter is very well behaved because she knows better. I don't put up with my child throwing fits in public or any where.  I saw a woman leave her child in her cart and walk around the corner so the child couldn't see her but she could see her child.  She let her child sit there and through a fit.  The child was done so fast and I applaud that woman.  Most people give there children to much attention when they through fits.  That teaches the kids I get more attention when I through a fit so I'm going to do this.  Children get away with to much nowadays because parents don't want to discipline them.  That leads to teens that also get away with everything.  You're the parent, ACT LIKE IT!!!!!!! 

 Please keep in mind that I am 24 with a 6 year old daughter and another on the way, and I'm married to the father of both and have been for almost 6 years.  My child is the most well behaved child I have seen.  I have even helped my friends with breaking them and there children of bad habits and everybody is for the better.   

 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

Why don't you want your kids to see it?

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So why should it be ok for you to feed your child, but I dont want my child to see it!!! So your thinking of your kids, but I am thinking of my kids also!
It's a natural thing.  Explain to your children what is happening and that the baby is getting the best possible nutrition.  It shouldn't upset them.  They may be curious about it, but kids are curious about everything.  Hopefully they'll grow up and be the parents of beautiful breastfed babies!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in public

How many of you regularly see a woman in public wearing clothes that show a bit too much skin? 

  

How many of you regularly see a woman in public breastfeeding with her breast fully exposed?  Not many I'm sure.    The women I see in public nursing either use a cover of some sort, or use their clothing and the baby to cover up for discreetness. 

  

I have nursed 2 of my 3 children.  In fact I have even nursed them in the Sanctuary of my church.  Granted, I sat in the back and used covers, or my clothing to be discreeting.  I never had anyone say a thing against it.  I have had comments from people about the fact that I wasn't trying to "hide". 

  

Dr. Phil mentioned that many states have laws that make it legal for women to breastfeed in public.  California goes even further.  Employeers have to provide a private space--other than a bathroom stall--for moms to express milk. 

  

For Shelly on the show--maybe she should go sit on a toilet in a public restroom for 30-50 minutes while her dinner gets cold, or the conversations go on without her.  I bet after a few minutes she is uncomfortable.  A car can be even worse.  Would you rather sit in the resteraunt or go sit in the car when the temperature outside is 100 degress or even 40 degrees. 

  

I think this whole debate is nothing but a waste of time.  IF people have a problem w/the limited exposure of womens breast while breastfeeding---maybe they should focus more on those that wear skimmpy skimmpy bikinis and other clothing (or lack of) in public.  Breastfeeding is natural.  Remember, back hundreds of years ago--clothing didn't really cover much. 

  

So, grow up and get real. 

  

Dr. Phil, I think you should have done more justice to the issue of breastfeeding in public and had available expamples of clothing and covers to assist in the discreetness for breastfeeding in public. 

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 3:46 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: kerryazzy

I'm 14 and like most teenagers i am still just a little uncomfortable about peoples bodies- but i am in full support of breast feeding in public.  While watching the show i realized that Shelly was repulsed by breast feeding but could give no reason why, which disgusts me. No one is forcing you to look! Breastfeeding is not only natural, it is life giving. It should be held sacred!   I think adults who are uncomfortable with breast feeding are uncomfortable with themselves rather than others. It is more important for a baby to be fed than for an adult to be comfortable.

You are a remarkably well-spoken young person.  I applaud your contribution to this forum and your insight into people being uncomfortable with themselves.  I also noticed that Shelly could not give a reason as to why she found breastfeeding in public offensive. 

Continue to  develope your own opinions and please continue expressing them 

  

 

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October 7, 2005, 3:47 pm PDT

Isn't it strange...

Quote From: usschmidt

All I have to say is this: I'll feed my kid in the bathroom when one of those people who are against NIP clean/disenfect it for me first. I don't see any of them sitting in a stall eating their lunch...why should my kid have to? 

  

I have worked as an onsite computer trainer and need to pump while at work. Since I work in a different place each day, I am not familiar with the local facilities. When I ask where I can pump, I get very different answers. Most women tell me to use the bathroom, but most men will either tell me about a mommy room or find a discrete place for me.  I have the same answer (as above) to all those who say I should pump my breastmilk in a bathroom...not to mention the fact that I've never seen an electrical outlet on a toilet!  

  

Thanks for letting me vent! I dispise ignorant people! 

-Susan 

that it's mostly WOMEN who have a problem with breastfeeding in public?  You don't see many men making such a big deal about it!  And I find it hard to believe that it's because men WANT to see a woman breastfeeding.  My husband said it best, "There is just something about milk coming out of them that completely turns the sexuality of them off..."  Sure, there are the perverts out there who find it sexual.  But, then again, there are perverts out there attracted to KIDS.  Should I be forced to keep my children at home because there is some sicko out there who might look at them in a sexual way?  NO.  Those people should be locked away... not my children.  Same goes for those who find it disgusting to NIP, if you don't like it, DON'T LOOK.  I don't sit and stare at strangers when I'm out in public, anyway, so I don't plan on staring at a mother nursing either.   

 
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