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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

AMEN

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What's with this woman's comment about it not being "attractive"? A nursing woman is FEEDING HER CHILD, not putting on a show. A baby needs to eat when it's hungry, not when it's convenient. 

  

And another thing that galls me. The mother is supposed to leave her dinner to get cold, go in the bathroom (not a place for anyone to be eating) and feed her child, who apparently is not worthy of eating with his/her family at the table. How incredibly stupid is that? 

  

AND, why does a baby have to eat with a blanket over his/her face? Does anyone else have to drape a blanet on their head when they are eating so they can't look around and be a part of the world? Eating is a social thing. Baby should be allowed to eat with parents and siblings and watch Mom and family eating while nursing. Babies shouldn't be treated like outcasts, and need to eat when they are hungry. I'm sure these whiners wouldn't care to hear a hungry baby crying, would they? 

Not anything more to say than...AMEN! 
 
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October 7, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

AGREED!

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What's with this woman's comment about it not being "attractive"? A nursing woman is FEEDING HER CHILD, not putting on a show. A baby needs to eat when it's hungry, not when it's convenient. 

  

And another thing that galls me. The mother is supposed to leave her dinner to get cold, go in the bathroom (not a place for anyone to be eating) and feed her child, who apparently is not worthy of eating with his/her family at the table. How incredibly stupid is that? 

  

AND, why does a baby have to eat with a blanket over his/her face? Does anyone else have to drape a blanet on their head when they are eating so they can't look around and be a part of the world? Eating is a social thing. Baby should be allowed to eat with parents and siblings and watch Mom and family eating while nursing. Babies shouldn't be treated like outcasts, and need to eat when they are hungry. I'm sure these whiners wouldn't care to hear a hungry baby crying, would they? 

I agree completely with this one! 

  

Why does this woman think Women who are breast feeding are doing it to be attractive?  Nice point, since she can't back her opinion up.  Obviously women breast feed because their child is HUNGRY, not to flash their goodies around to the men in the restaraunt or wherever. 

  

I'm not saying it should be popped right out there on purpose, but if it just so happens that she must do it in that spot, then so be it.  They're not trying to attract your attention, they're simply trying to feed their child in a natural way.  What's so disgusting about that? 

 

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October 7, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

Oh But there are reasons

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 I believe that breast feeding is a wonderful thing. How ever I feel that women should be discreet about it. There is no reason to have both breast exposed at the same time. I do not feel that breast feeding should be behind closed doors. Just cover up some. 

  

  

If you have twins, triplets or other multiples, there is a reason to expose both breasts at one time. My twin sons always wanted to eat at the same time. As many others on this message board I was discreet even feeding both. I went to another room...the women's bathroom at our church had a lounge area with armchairs and a couch or if I was at someone else's home, I went to another room of their choosing. But if in the mail, I found a bench and covered as much as possible. Those who think it wrong to breastfeed in public have never tried to rush out of the mall, get two babies in their car-seats and drove home in traffic all with two babies screaming in their ears. Many of them would change their minds had they lived my life, until then, their opinion is just that...their opinion.
 
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October 7, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

Breast Feeding

I agree with the woman not wanting to see women breast feeding in public.  I don't want to see it either.  If someone has a blanket, or is discreet, fine.  But otherwise, why do the rest of us have to see it?  The child at this point does not know where it is eating.  I think that this is not for the child's benefit but for the mother's benefit.  Yes, breast feeding is natural --- but so is using the restroom, having sex, and sticking a tongue down your partner's throat,  picking your nose etc.  I don't like to see any of these in public either.   

  

I have a totally different opinion on breast feeding than most people.  I feel that too many people breast feed for far too long;  a child does not need to breast feed for 1, 2, 3 years and beyond.  That goes far beyond the "health" benefits for the child; in my opinion, this is just for the mother's benefit.  (whatever that may be.)  I dispute the health benefits of breastfeeding too.  I have friends who have breast fed, and friends who haven't.  I can actually say that the ones who haven't breast fed have healthier children than the ones that did breast feed.   

  

I have actually seen children walk up to their mothers and lift up their shirt (in public) to breast feed.  If a child can do that, s/he is much too old to be breast feeding.  What benefit is it at that point?  

  

If someone wants to breastfeed, fine, but be discreet about it. I resent the people who try to make those who don't want to breastfeed feel guilty for that.  I've had discussions with people who have gone on and on to explain the virtues of breast feeding to me.  Don't bother; it won't change my mind.  It's not for me.   

  

The woman on the show who was for breastfeeding, and said she doesn't care where she does it.  That is being just as disrespectful to others as she feels other are being to her.   

  

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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  This was originally commented on women breastfeeding in stores and restaraunts. The places I've been to are air conditioned so there is no worries about 90 degree heat. If you are outside in the heat you have a lot more options to be discreet without coving up. As far as a babies rights to eat without being covered, do you honestly believe a baby is worried about being seen or not, all they are worried about is eating. It's not like you have to stuff the blanket right in the childs face, you're simply making like a tent using your shoulder as the top.

LOL OMG you have obviously never breastfeed an active older baby!!!  Especially one that hates having anything touch his head.  It's not like I didn't try!  I was brought to tears during an outing to the Alamo in San Antonio, TX with my first son, trying to latch him on, keep us covered, not bring any attention to myself while he was screaming.  One of the nicest things anyone has ever done for me was the woman who came up to me that day and told me to ditch the blanket and just feed my child and then offered me a bottle of water.   

  

It is hard enough to breastfeed with out worrying about what other people think.  It is the RIGHT thing to do and the BEST food for babies.  Scientifically proven, period, end of story.  But for more mothers to be able to do this and more babies to be able to benefit, society needs to get over their own prudish behavior! 

  

I have a good friend of mine who is Muslim.  She wears the full cover except for a veil.  She breastfed all 3 of her children anytime, anywhere they needed to be fed.  I asked her about the modesty commandments of the Koran and she explained to me that breastfeeding was also commanded by the Koran and that doing so discreetly wasn't hard and she didn't need a blanket to do so.  I never so much as saw an inch of skin while she nursed.  So yes there are ways to do it without being a "show off', but it isn't my or your place to decide that for another person. 

  

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 4:31 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Back in time everyone breastfed and nothing was said about it. They even had wet nurses for women who could not breastfeed or for babies whose mother died in child birth. Now today we have all this new technology (which is good-some of it helps, some of it henders us from trusting God)where now, breastfeeding is a cause for debate? Come on!! Giving out condoms in school? SMH (shaking my head). Its okay to take Christ out of the pledge and prayer away from school but its okay to give out condoms to children? Our children our looking to us for guidance and the problem is most parents dont know how to guide because they dont know God themselves. And now no one wants anyone to discipline their out if control children who is running over their parent. God's Word say's it takes a community to raise a child. Not a group of children but 1 child. Now if the Creator of all believes it takes a community to raise one child, how many does it take to raise 3 kids (whom their own parents cant handle). To me instead of arguing one with the other we should all be getting on our knees and asking God for forgivness for the mistakes we have made this far and ask Him to direct our paths from here on out. As I am writing this I know most of you will read this and think I am crazy or am another "holy roller" who thinks God has all the answers (which I am for Jesus and do believe it) or just ignore it completely; but for each one of you who blows off this comment, your heart is the one I am praying that God softens. If you would like to know more or to know where these things are in the bible please feel free to email me. Until then God bless you all.
I sure wish that I had a condom in my pocket when I conceieved at 14 years of age, it would have helped me a lot more than God did.
 
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October 7, 2005, 4:32 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

I am a mom to 2 great kids and I attempted breastfeeding with both of them but unfortunately had complications and couldn't do it as long as most.  That said here's my opinion on the subject...is it a natural function.....absolutely!  Is it a wonderful bonding experience for the mother/child YEP!!  It is NOT, however, respectful to flop your boop out of shirt in the middle of the mall and then put your child up to it.  Breastfeeding is a wonderful, natural caring thing but I feel it takes some of those qualities away when its thrown in peoples faces.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding your child bottle or breast in public or otherwise, but when breastfeeding be discreet and cover with a blanket or throw  In closing, I feed breastfeeding mothers who have the attitude I'm gonna do it I don't care if I make you uncomfortable etc...are actually making it a hotter topic because it is CAUSING people to go on the defense and/or pick sides.  Bottom line be respectful or others and yourself.. afterall isn't that what we want/expect from our children.
 
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October 7, 2005, 4:32 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

 I have one more point about hte lady who didn't liek b/fing and said that it was "unattractive" and didn't like to see breasts exposed...well, I have seen plenty of men who can outshine my 36D's in the summer wwalkiing aruond with no shirt on!! Does she find them offensive as well, or jsut nursing mothers who are providing their children with nutrition??
 
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October 7, 2005, 4:32 pm PDT

Kids

The other day, my husband and I were at the grocery store.  A mother with four boys was trying to check out, but her children were running around, throwing coffee beans, and screaming.  Everyone was staring, snickering, or making comments to each other.  I went over, politely but firmly told the kids to knock it off and asked if their mother would want them to do that.  I then went to the mother and let her know what the kids were doing.  She thanked me, apologized to everyone, thanked me a few more times, and made the kids stand next to her.  It was a few seconds out of my day, I was not rude, and it helped her.  If she HAD been offended, I would have apologized I had upset her, but honestly, I would have felt it was her problem.  I only said what 15 other people wanted to, and I tried to be tactful.  

    

I have two kids and was very strict with them as to their behavior in public.  However, I can't always see everything they are doing, and if they are misbehaving and someone makes a comment to them (without yelling at them, calling them names, or being disrespectful) I have NO issue with it.  Since they are teenagers, it doesn't happen often, but it is embarrassing...to them...and they stop.  

 
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October 7, 2005, 4:32 pm PDT

What if your widowed?

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You should tell your son that she is just doing what comes naturally and it's protected by law. And that it is the normal way to feed a baby. He's at the age where he probably likes boobies, so maybe you could tell him not to stare too much too! LOL 

We can't go to the corner because we have and deserve to have the same rights as bottle feeding moms. Why would you question the decency of such a healthy choice. In case you haven't heard, breastmilk is the healthiest food a baby can get. In contrast, formula has many disadvantages and risks! 

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/07/19/formula/ 

http://www.promom.org/101/ 

 What if you don't have a husband anymore to give you a break.   Is it a break or a lack of your control as a parent?
 
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