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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 5:10 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in public

I have never responsed to a Dr. Phil subject before, but this one is really of concern to me. I don't understand why there can't be a happy medium.  Furthermore, I fail to understand how anyone can make the connection between a crack in someone's butt and a woman breastfeeding her baby.  I am a mother of a 23 month old and I am a strong advocate of breastfeeding.  I believe our society has put a cloud over the natural act of breastfeeding and turned it into something sexual, or worse, something that is gross and unattractive.  Well, who said feeding a baby was supposed to be attractive? I believe you people are confusing a beautiful act of nature and what society considers attractive.  And why is anyone staring at a mother trying to feed her baby?  Whether the mother is using a bottle or her breast, I believe the act of feeding her child is her business and hers alone.  I don't want to come across as a hypocrite since I did cover my baby with a light blanket every time I feed her in public. However, I would like to point out that I did not do this to assuage the emotions of others.  I did it simply because I am bashful and while I consider it perfectly natural to breastfeed, I just couldn't bring myself to expose my "boob" in public.  I was never concerned what others around me thought.  My only concern was how I felt about the complete exposure, so I covered up.  I do feel that the choice should be up to the mother and totally disagree with a breastfeeding mother being relegated to a disgusting, germ-filled bathroom to feed her baby.  Every time someone flushes a toliet, millions of germs float through the air.  It is a totally unsanitary condition (not to mention sometimes very smelly). 

  

I hope those of you who don't have children will one day have to walk in our shoes so you can feel what we feel when our little ones cry to be fed and we feel that society (at least a large part of it), says we can't. 

  

  

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 5:10 pm PDT

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Not  everyone is able to breast feed there children. Sometimes there are medical reasons or even personal reasons. I am a mother of a 5 month old son and every once and a while I have to suppliment my milk. My son just eats to much. that doesn't make me a bad mother nor any one else who can or won't breast feed there children. With the way technology is anymore it isn't going to be to much longer before store bought formula is better that the breast.
There are people that for whatever reason do not breastfeed.  You rarely see breastfeeding mothers glaring at them for this...and you shouldn't just like breastfeeding moms have the right to do the best for their child in their unique situation.  Who knows what the future holds for formula, I hope it does become as good for babies as breastmilk...one thing I do know for sure is that it will never be cheaper or more convenient then the breast.
 
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With regards to breastfeeding, it saddens me to hear that in this day and age people can feel that it is disgusting.  

  

Recent research has said that breastfeeding helps prevent allergies in your child, it also gives more nutrients than formula as well as increasing your child's brain power. Do you not want the best for your child? It shouldn't matter if you pump or cover or not. Hats off to all the women who have had the guts to do it. 

  

I am presently nursing my second child. It was not easy nursing for me. I had tremendous pain and bleeding for close to a month with the first child. Many of my friends quit early or gave up because it is not necessarily such a "natural" or easy thing to do. It is a shame that instead of supporting us in the efforts to do what is best for our children that some women out there are judging us. I strongly believe that women who breastfeed are not doing it so they can "flash." Please don't take it that way!!! 

  

  

Recent research has said that breastfeeding helps prevent allergies in your child, it also gives more nutrients than formula as well as increasing your child's brain power. Do you not want the best for your child? It shouldn't matter if you pump or cover or not. Hats off to all the women who have had the guts to do it.  

  

Perhaps you missed my first statement (yes that was me on the stage)? I said "I am not against breastfeeding at all".  I just don't want people putting words into my mouth. Thank you. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 5:11 pm PDT

Yes Breastfeed!

I can't believe that breastfeeding in public is even a debate!  If a baby can be bottlefed without a stuffy blanket over his head, than so should a breastfed baby.  And, no, they should not be fed in the bathroom-----GROSS!!  Would you eat in any public restroom?  And I wil not force my child to stop nursing because he has teeth or can walk just so someone else doesn't feel squeemish.  Have you seen how most toddlers eat.  If they are nursing, at least I know that they are getting some good nutrition in their diet, along with some comfort. 

 

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October 7, 2005, 5:11 pm PDT

Disciplining children in public

I have no sympathy for the woman with three small children who said she cannot control her children because there are 3 of them and only 1 of her.  She was the one who decided to have the children, and the rest of us should not have to suffer her children's bad behaviour.  When she said she was having another baby, I nearly fell off the chair.  If she cannot control them, she should stay at home until they can behave in public. 

  

I have been in public places many, many times when children are running around screaming, pushing each other in shopping carts, and ducking underneath clothes racks, with no adults anywhere near by.  I find this very annoying and inconsiderate.  It is not an isolated occurence, but happens nearly every time I go shopping. 

  

As far as dining or watching a play or movie, any disturbance by a child should be dealt with immediately.  Children must be removed from the room immediately if they cannot be quieted.  If parents cannot do this, they should not bring children to the restaurant, movie, play, etc.  The rest of us should not be subjected to the bad behaviour of someone else's children.  It is a parent's job to socialize and control their children.  Period. 

 
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I couldn't help but offer my opinions on these controversial questons.  As far as breastfeeding in public, I have to say that I was very nervous when my daughter was born because I didn't  think  I would   feel comofortable breastfeeding in public, but it's different once you have your baby.  I think that there are two extremes when it comes to breastfeeding in public.  Breastfeeding is natural and beautiful, not to mention essential to your child's health and well-being.  However, we do need to hold some standards of modesty in public.  I believe it's perfectly ok to breastfeed in public, as long as you are covered up.  I always kind of cringe when I see the woman who walks into the grocery store with a baby on her breast, baring it all for the world to see.  To me, breastfeeding is something sacred and should be done with some sort of modesty out in public. 

I DO NOT think that schools should be handing out condoms.  That is sending the WRONG message to children and I don't think it's the school's place.  Parents should be teaching their children about sex.  I think when we leave such topics up to a school to teach, there's bound to be chaos.  Our schools have enough trouble teaching our children in reading and writing.  Leave sex education up to the parents.  There are other places that children can get condoms if they so wish to do so.  (such as Planned Parenthood). 

I also do not belive that anyone else has a right to discipline your child if you are there.  If  your child is with another parent and you are not there, they need to be able to discipline your child. However, it would be a good idea to discuss acceptable discipline methods ahead of time.  I think if you are out in public and your child is acting up, it is nobody else's business to step in.  I know there have been many times I have WANTED to step in, but to do so would be rude and really wouldn't solve a thing except to offend the parent, which in turn would probably make things worse for the child!  If you see a parent abusing their child, however, then it MAY be appropriate to say somthing. 
I agree with you on all these things. I think you said them well. I never really thought about the debate about breastfeeding in public before because I rarely ever see that. It makes sense to me that its completely fine to breastfeed in public, but yeah I think its common courtesy to cover yourself. I don't have kids yet but I feel right now that I would feel too awkward breastfeeding in public anyway, but maybe I will change my mind like you did. If I did ever do it in public, I would definitely use a blanket or something, because I'm just the kind of person who doesn't want my breast exposed. I don't understand why some mothers will get so flustered about it because they don't care if their breast is showing and don't see whats wrong w/ it.
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:11 pm PDT

Oh you are so right

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DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!!! NO ONE IS SAYING BABIES DON'T HAVE RIGHTS WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR SOME SORT OF DISCREET. JUST LIKE I POSTED PRIOR WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT PUMPING WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING OUT IN PUBLIC JUST LIKE WOMEN WHO WORK HAVE TO PUMP SINCE THEY ARE AWAY FROM THEIR CHILDREN FOR PERIODS OF TIME AND CAN'T DETERMINE WHEN THEIR CHILDREN WILL GET HUNGRY.
Gosh what a great reply.....my niece breast fed her three children and she always used a small blanket to cover up and no SHE DIDN'T HAVE IT OVER HER HEAD...ALSO ...she used a breast pump when she knew she would be out in public and would have to feed her baby.  Hooray for my niece...healthy children...and breastfed with pride and respect for others....
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:12 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

Why can't people be respectful of one another?  Why does it have to be either or nothing at all.  Our culture in the United States, realistically,  is not going to change overnight.  If women breast feed in public, they should do so discreetly in my opinion.   The laws do not allow women's breasts to be displayed on TV or in print.  This is probably considered extremely prudish by the rest of the world, but that's the status in the United States.  Why can't people be respectful of one another? 
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:12 pm PDT

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Oh my gosh! I cannot believe they hand out condoms in school. I am 14 years old and I do not think that that would even help kids! If they didn't hand out condoms in school they could just find them somewhere else....so what's the point! I think that if you hand kids my age a condom it's like you are giving them permission to do something they shouldn't. It's like if a kid says "I wanna go have sex." and you give them a condom and say "knock yourself out kid." If a kid said "oh my gosh I hate that kid over there! I want to kill him." and you give them a gun! THAT IS WRONG!!!

i am having a hard time believing you are really 14. that is not written like a 14 year old and citizen 55 is a weird choice for your name? anyway, if you are- 

  

do you really think that warning someone= permission? when they tell you not to shoot someone do you think that encourages you to do it- now that you know there's a big bad thing out there, are you tempted to do it? this is all aside from the fact that killing, and a NATURAL act that almost every person will eventually engage in, are VERY different. anyway, if this is your view on the world you will be quite vulnerable to pressure and manipulation- THAT is the problem you should focus on...not whether teens who think they are ready for sex should have protection more easily accessible- since it IS going to happen for many teens, even if not for you. 

  

how about big bad things like stds? passing out of condoms only bolsters the seriousness of preventing stds, and the reality that you can be at risk...perhaps this thin layer of plastic will make  kids realize there isn't much between them and a disease or pregnancy- and maybe THAT will make them think twice! providing the condoms after the education is an exclamation point on the point "if you're going to do something, do it right"! would you rather your potential future partners be at risk for stds because they were too embarrased to be responsible- or for them to have one more tool in their belt to prevent these problems? why not, for those that will choose that route anyway? this rings true especially, if you think that only "stupid" or "bad" kids will have sex- those will be the kids having unwanted pregnancies too, if you don't help them out. if you must think that way, isn't it better to "save them from themselves"- and later for you and the welfare system? (clearly i am generalizing to make a point)... 

  

there is no situation i can think of where education doesn't equal power and control. with knowledge you have a much more likely chance of controlling the risks you face in day to day life- lessons are tools you use to avoid more problems in the future. denying kids the option of condoms does nothing but sweep the reality that sex is a part of life, under the rug. that never helped anyone that i know of. kids will make decisions based on the information at hand- that is all they know. when they know more, they do better. isn't that what Dr. Phil always says? 

 

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October 7, 2005, 5:12 pm PDT

Check your history

Quote From: tottie1971

BREASTFEDING: 

  

I am still trying to figure out what the issue with breastfeeding is. I do not have any problem with anyone feeding their child. It is nice when they are in a place such as a resturaunt to cover up but if they can not because the child is not comfortable that way well then so be it. If a person has a problem seeing a breast then they have the problem.  

  

CONDOMS IN SCHOOL 

  

Yes I think condoms and proper education on sexuality is a must in school. It would be great if teens did not have sex but as we all know thats not gonna happen. The one thing about this topic I find so funny is that for some reason people think it is all tv and ad's that push sex onto kids today, but if you look at it you will see thats not the truth and neither is the whole teen sex thing all that new. Even back in the days long before TV like in roman times. Lets face it according to all history they were a bit active in the whole sex thing, back in the 1800's there were lots of woman that were pregnent before marrage, and wow the whole 60's thing that was also before TV and advertizing were all just sex. So parents help your kids, teach them, help them, guide them, but above all keep them safe. 

  

DISIPLINE OTHERS KIDS 

  

On this I wish I had it in me to tell a parent to control their kid but I don't. I do not see anything wrong with approching a parent if the kid is doing something to effect me. I know I had a guy snap at my son and it did not bother me. My son was kicking the back of his chair and I kept telling him to knock it off and I held him on my lap on the plane but everytime I looked away he did it again. They guy finally had enough and looked over the chair with the most evil look on his face and told him to knock it off now. He did and he never did it again to another person.  

  

Well this is just my 2 cents but I think we all need to just calm down over some of these issues.  

  

  

You might want to check your history again. Yes they had sex young back then, but they also got married younger...my great grandmother was married and a mother by age 14...and they also died younger back then too, but of course you didn't mention that part and history shows many of them died from diseases that were sexually transmitted and they didn't have a cure for them then...syphillis was kind of like AIDS/HIV back then. Giving children condoms does not mean they won't have unprotected sex and those with the maturity to use them, usually are also mature enough to make the decision not to have sex until they are actually ready for it. I agree 100% with the post that said parents need to take responsibility for their children. In our society too many parents are buying their children everything, while teaching them nothing and spending no time with them, which is why too often they don't have the kind of relationship with their children where they have open communication from both sides of any issue, including sex. My 16 yr. old sons almost gave me too much information about their first kiss and that is because they feel they can talk about anything with my husband and I. This kind of relationship does not start with puberty, it starts at birth. Rather than working 60-80 hrs. a week to buy them everything they wanted, we invested our time in our sons. They both understand what's out there than can be transmitted to them during sex, whether oral, anal or intercourse. Here's a novel idea, maybe just maybe they are still virgins because of the honest relationship we have with them, where they ask us questions and get honest answers without fear of being disciplined for it. I have 9 siblings and all 10 of us had this type of relationship with our parents...wonder if that's how they got us all through high school without even 1 having a baby without being married...6 boys included and they didn't even teach sex-ed in the school or have condoms available for us. But of course we didn't have porn at our fingertips on the internet then either. Playboy was considered wild back then and I'm sure my brothers looked at a few, but having a solid home life sure did help. Oh an just as an fyi...it is no longer called STD's, those of a certain age will remember it as VD, but it is now STI for sexually transmitted infections.
 
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