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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 5:38 pm PDT

Babies Have Rights Too

I was at the park the other day and I literally had to take my kids home because of another set of parents who were talking so offensive that I was shocked.  They were using the F word in just about every sentence and you could tell that this was a normal thing for them.  Then a couple of days later, walking in the mall with my friend we saw several women who's boobs were almost hanging completely out.  If they had been any lower, the nipple would have been showing.  Back ends are hanging out on guys and girls.  Children as young as 11 are starting to wear g-sting underwear.  People can drink and smoke in public.  You have got to be kidding me that this is that offensive.  People can make out in public, where clothes that reveal just about everything and use what ever language they please and this is all acceptable.  However, an innocent hungry baby is not allowed to eat in public without grossing people out.  If I am out to eat with my husband enjoying my hot meal and conversation, the last thing I want to do is go sit in a bathroom stall for a half hour while my meal gets cold and my husband sits alone for the rest of his meal.  Even without a blanket you can't see anything.  Your shirt covers the boob and the baby's head covers the rest.  I should have a devine right as a mother responsible for the nurturing and care of my child to meet the needs of my baby where ever I am.  People should be supporting this.  This is such a loving and important detail of a baby's first year.  People need to change their idea of what is offensive.  This is not 
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:38 pm PDT

breastfeeding/condoms

I come from the 1960's so this was not done.  You either use one of the family rooms or you should at least cover yourself.  If you go into a mall and a women is breastfeeding uncovered, look around.  You will see alot of the men staring at her or her breast.  A woman in my city was breastfeeding her child in one of our large parks.  She was accosted by a man.  Fortunately her and her baby got away.  I find myself being embarrassed for the women when I see they are main show.  As far as condoms go it is up to the parents to discuss all the ins and outs of sex and using protection.  If the kids are going to go ahead anyway I would prefer there be condoms in the schools.  It is far better than the horrible results that could happen. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:38 pm PDT

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I agree with Dr Phil. He tried to find middle ground. I know, firmly, that children have the right to nurse ANYWHERE the mother and child have a right to be. I do not think women should have to throw a blanket overthemselves that limits fresh air to the child AND is like holding up a big sign that says "HELLO...I"M BREASTFEEDING HERE" 

  

That being said, I don't think women need to strip to the waist to breastfeed. Yes, some of the breast will be exposed. Get over it. For the people who say "no breastfeeding in public" I'm guessing they have actually seen quite a bit of breastfeeding in public. Only, you don't know the child is actually breastfeeding as opposed to being asleep. I've had my baby in a sling, wide awake and nursing away many times when people come up to me and comment how wonderful babies are, how cute they are when sleeping etc. They never realized.   

  

On the subject of discipline: I would like to share a story. I was once at a friends house, with several mothers and many children around. Her child came running up to my child with a baseball bat in his hand, swining it at my childs head. They were both about 2.5 at the time. I ran up to him, took hold of the bat an said "Johnny...PLEASE don't hit my baby!". I left it at that. I protected my kid. The mother later pulled me aside and said I don't ever have the right to discipline her kid.  

  

Um, HELLO!  I think its totally ok to address a child, like you would an adult (w/ maybe simpler language) if they commit a transgression against you. ie "OOWWW you just hit me on the ankle and it really hurts". At this point, a responsible parent will discipline their kid. If not, address the parent.  

  

I have 3 kids, and two hands. But if my kids aren't able to behave, we leave. Most days, they are really good. But if I don't have control of my kids its not my right to inflict them on other people. GET CONTROL OF YOUR KIDS.  Occasionally, we can't leave. (like when I was at the Dr's office the other day) Then there are punishments that include the offending child must sit on a spot for X amount of minutes. Its not an all or nothing thing.  

  

FWIW, I actually liked Dr Phils trying be a peacemaker on the Breastfeeding issue. I usually don't agree with alot of his parenting advice. Thanks Dr Phil.  

  

LSN, who has 3 kids under the age of 7, who ALL breastfed.  

  

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 5:38 pm PDT

Breastfeeding Mothers

Hello I am a mother of two and I breastfeed them both.  With my first I did “exile” myself to the bathroom and it was not a pleasant experience.  I am a mother of a son and even though I do agree and support those who breastfeed, I do not allow my son to look at naked breast.  So I think there should be some kind of decency laws.  For those mothers who do not share the same modesty as most. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 5:39 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Breastfeeding in public should not even be a topic its the most natural (and the healthiest) way to feed a child. Even before I had kids I was offened by moms bottle feeding their babies with formula thats just lazy. If the mom could not breast feed for having a disease or would not produce milk or had adopted those are the ONLY situations where a mom should formula feed. No other species on Earth formula feeds thier children.  

Saying a mother who formula feed is lazy shows your ignorance as well. There are many situations that a mother may choose to formula feed. Just like you choose to breastfeed it is their choice not to. They are not wrong for making a choice that is best for them and their child. I was lucky enough to be able to breastfeed, but two of my sisters had a terrible time with it and eventually gave up. Do I think they are bad mothers for doing so? No Way! They did what they thought worked best for their family.
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:40 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: bwalker

  Same here,  I've tried to give my son a bottle but he will not take it. I don't really blame him.....something rubbery and uncomfortable, or something warm and comforting.

I'm in the same boat as you two.  I have a hard enough time with my milk supply, pumping simply doesn't work for me, I've tried hand pumps, hospital grade electric pumps, they don't work for me!  And no nipple is the same as a real nipple. 

 

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October 7, 2005, 5:40 pm PDT

Thanks! That is the real debate

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I am a mother of three who breastfed each child for two years.  I breastfed anywhere and anytime that my children were hungry.  And yet I NEVER exposed my breasts.  There were many times that friends and/or strangers would look at me and or talk to me and yet not even know I was indeed breastfeeding.  I live in Florida, where by law I can breastfeed in public.  I agree that  woman should be ale to breastfeed her baby ANYWHERE. I also know that there is no need to expose the breast while nursing.  There are specially designed clothes for discrete nursing and there are ways to cover up so that the worl does not see the breast.  I do not find it an unpleasant thing to see.  I actually feel sad for little babies whose mom's chose to not breastfeed so that they are less tied to the baby and more freedom to come and go.  How a mom cannot want to hold a child to her breast to feed him is beyond me and yet I understand that it a choice for everyone to make.  Mothers who do not breastfeed there children do not love their children anyless than those who do.  I am glad thati did and would never think of offering my baby formula when I have two breasts that work just fine.  I also think that mom's who say they tried to breastfeed and quit after only days or weeks, didn;t try enough.  Rarely does a mom not have enough milk for her baby. Ignorance, stress and lack of support or usually to blame. 

  

Marta P. 

Miami, Florida 

 You hit it right on the money!  It is not against breastfeeding in public, it is about doing it discretely. I know this might sound harsh, but those women who feel it is just "natural" to expose their breast for feeding their babies had exhibitionist tendencies before they had a baby.  I did not feel comfortable exposing my breasts in public before or after having a baby.  It is called modesty. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 5:41 pm PDT

I can't believe it was even a topic

In this day and age with skin being flaunted everywhere, breastfeeding in public is actaully being scrutinized.  How pathetic is that?  Here in Canada, it is a violation of human rights to ask a mother to stop bf or to do it elsewhere.  If anyone ever asks me to move or stop feeding my child they had better have a lawyer.  Breastfeeding is about FEEDING not FLAUNTING and that's why it's called breastfeeding.    Our bodies were made to feed our children this way.  It's not unattractive, it's a miracle.  If you don't ilike watching someone breastfeed, how about considering that they don't like being stared at.  LOOK AWAY
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:42 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I am 8 months pregant now, so maybe I will find it to be different when I breastfeed, but let me tell you, right now I do not planning on just poping out my breasts in front of strangers.  To me, that is just inconsiderate.  I worked as a waitress for 3 years.  It amazes me how many times I've seen it or avoided going to take an order because I didn't want to "interrupt".  I don't want to see your breasts!  What these women are not thinking about is the teenage boys that are working as waiters that don't see it as naturally feeding a baby, it's sexual.  It discusts me because it is something beautiful that is shared between no one else but the mother and child.  I just think that that bonding experience should be kept at home.  I think it is not only rude to everyone who is now forced to witness it, especially the servers who just want to come to work and earn some money, but also rude to the person who your eating dinner with across the table.  It is unbelievable to me how inconciderate people can be when there is a simple solution to this....cover yourself up.  No matter how beautiful you think it is, the breast is still a sexual stimuli and that's not going to change any time soon.
You may not plan to nurse in public now, but when you are at a park or store with your child and your only option is a public restroom and you innocent child is begging for food, you may find that feeding in public is better then exposing your child to all that a public bathroom has to offer for a half hour. The fact that you view breast feeding as something that should be hidden and shunned is a sad fact of our culture. If I am discrete I see no reason why I should hide the feeding of my child. I wouldn't hide bottle feeding. you should look online for breast feeding support groups in your area and talk to them about your insecurities. Breast is best, and if you are this uncomfortable with it then you may not stick with it. As for male servers becoming aroused by the act, what sad twisted children they must be to look at a lump under a blanket or the back of a baby's head and be filled with perverted thoughts
 
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October 7, 2005, 5:42 pm PDT

Breastfeed a child

With all the do rights in this country and everyone wants to tell you what is right and wrong and what to eat and what not to eat, it's a wonder we even made it to birth.   One day it's wrong to drink milk the next it's OK and the next it's the best thing for you. Breastfeeding a baby is as natural as breathing.  I wonder if breastfeeding a baby in public was wrong as some claim it to be, how in the hell did the first Americans ever populate this nation.  As I was growing up, it was not uncommon to see women sitting at the court house square or other public places feeding their babies.  I think it's the greatest thing a mother can do for their child - transporter
 
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