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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 6:08 pm PDT

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Quote From: rebecca5

If you have young children needing to breast feed I have two suggestions for you. 

  

1) LEAVE THE PUBLIC PLACE YOU ARE IN, no one wants a free peep show with some kid attached. If you can't leave than..... 

  

2)USE A BREAST PUMP AND BOTTLE FEED IN PUBLIC 

  

Part of having a child is being prepared to take on responsibilites. If you are not prepared to take other's feelings, regarding this subject, into consideration then I don't think you are prepared to take on motherhood.  

  

If you go out to a nice meal or head to the shopping mall and you know your child is going to be hungry....BE PREPARED.  

  

I was at a local restuarunt with my boyfriend, when the lady at the table next to us pops out her boob and little Johnny starts sucking away. I was SO offended! I AM EATING!!! It's disguiting!! If you need to go out to eat with the family again....BE PREPARED. Or go to a child friendly restaraunt or get a sitter!!! 

  

I am sick of seeing it and there is no reason to have to do it in public. Thats what breast pumps are for....Stop making others uncomfortable. 

Why should I have to LAVE THE PUBLIC PLACE I AM IN  to feed my child which  IS MY FIRST RESPONSIBILITY  IN MOTHERHOOD.?  I am 24 and I have breastfed BOTH of my beautiful children  IN PUBLIC. Never once did anyone ever see any part of my breast.  I hate to tell you this but being a breastfeeding mother means that I AM PREPARED TO FEED MY CHILD AT A MOMENTS NOTICE.  Sounds like your issue isn't that she was breastfeeding it sounds like your issue is that you unfourtunatly saw her breast. I am pleased to say that there are breastfeeding mothers that DO COVER UP  when we feed our children. I also pump that way my husband and my daughter can feed our son.  I am considerate of people who are uncomfortable with the idea of breastfeeding in public, that is why I do cover mydself, but to say NO BREASTFEEDING IN PUBLIC AT ALL  is a crazy idea that offends me.   You said at the end of your post       Stop making others uncomfortable.       Sounds like you better take a look at your life first and change everything that makes other people feel uncomfortable before you start asking breastfeeding mothers to stop feeding their children.  I hope you realize that there are those that are considerate . 

  

NLG 

 
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October 7, 2005, 6:08 pm PDT

get over it

it is every womens god given right to breast feed their baby  wherever and whenever that child is hungry.  if you dont want to see it DON'T  LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!  i was not able to breast feed my children.  But if i had been.... God help the person that ever said a single word to me about doing it in public.  GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:09 pm PDT

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Since everyone keeps calling me that girl, although my name is Shelly. I figured I better post here because my point if view is being seriously corrupted ny other other posters on this board. My very first sentence when I spoke was "I am not against breastfeeding at all". Therefore, I do not long lectures on the benefits of breastfeeding, or how natural it is. I have a full education and I am totally aware. The point I very clearly made, and Saynorra did not, was have some basic consideration for other human beings feelings. She said point blank that she does not care, and I am sorry to say that that is a very prominant attitude here in American- it's all about me, and the rest of you be damned. Very sad. 

  

Someone here made the point of public displays of affection. Ok, if you were in a restaurant and a couple was getting carried away at a table, wouldn't you at least wish they had the consideration to respect the feelings of other people around them rather than make everyone uncomfortable? Braver souls might even send a host over to ask them to stop, or speak up themselves.  

  

The simple fact is that you don't HAVE TO make a public display out of yourself. I know that there are times in life that you would like people to be more considerate of you (for whatever reason), but if your attitude is that you never have to, then don't ever expect anything in return.  

Shelly I want to thank you for posting on here.  there are some mother's out there that do have a political agenda.  it would be wonderful if restaurants had a family room or a mother's room families could eat (both nursing and eating themselves) in peace.  however most restaurants don't have that option.   most restaurants have a smoking section ( or used to) to accomodate the smokers so wouldn't it be reasonable to request a nursing section for mothers with young children?  In my opinion that would help this situation greatly.
 

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October 7, 2005, 6:09 pm PDT

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Yes,  breastfeeding is a natural act,  as is the above mentioned..which we would be ticketed for doing in public.  If you feel your child benefits from breastmilk..great..pump a few bottles before you go into public.  Nobody wants to see a child suckling on an exposed breast in public.  It is rude and in bad taste.  Although none of these are the breastfeeding mothers "issues"..they are issues none the less..they are the following.   Young boys and even some men are turned on nomatter what the cicumstance,  when i n eyeshot of an exposed breast..not to mention something sucking on it.  Do you really want boys and men feeling sexually aroused while they stare at you feeding your child?  That is exactly what is happening.  Women know this and when with their men and in the presence of a breastfeeding woman,  feel terribly uncomfortable.  Another example,  I have had the displeasure of trying to do business with a woman who felt it urgent to put her child to her breast while I was with her..I couldn't even look her in the eye,  and got the hell out of  there as soon as I could make a break for it.  Bottomline is that it really makes people feel uncomfortable in many different ways,  some of which are quite perverse.  Please,  use your sense..go to a restroom,  pump a few bottles before you leave,  but ladies..it is never in good taste to bare your breasts in public for ANY reason.

Every child most certainly benefits from breastmilk, this is a scientific fact.  For more info, see http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/prepare/bf-benefits.html. 

  

If you wouldn't eat your lunch in a bathroom, I don't think it's reasonable to ask a woman to feed her baby there. 

  

I personally don't really care what men/boys think about me breastfeeding my child.  If they're turned on, so be it.  I can't be responsible for that- some men are turned on by the back of a woman's neck- are you suggesting all women wear turtlenecks? 

  

Pumping before you leave the house and then feeding baby a bottle is not actually a good alternative.  For one thing, depending on the age of the baby, a bottle can cause the baby to have problems nursing (see http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/introducing_bottles.shtml).  Secondly, because of the way milk production works, a woman who pumps before she leaves the house will likely still need to empty her breasts of milk while she's out (see http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/milkproduction.html).  This presents a problem: where will she pump?  It would need to be a sanitary place (NOT the bathroom).  Also, if she's out alone, who's going to hold her baby while she pumps?  And most importantly, why would she want to do this when she could just nurse the child directly? 

  

I think most problems w/ public breastfeeding stem from personal issues with not being able to see breasts as "multitaskers" (as Synorra on the show put it)- with both sexual and nutritional purposes.  Thanks for hearing me out. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 6:10 pm PDT

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Quote From: shellyee

Since everyone keeps calling me that girl, although my name is Shelly. I figured I better post here because my point if view is being seriously corrupted ny other other posters on this board. My very first sentence when I spoke was "I am not against breastfeeding at all". Therefore, I do not long lectures on the benefits of breastfeeding, or how natural it is. I have a full education and I am totally aware. The point I very clearly made, and Saynorra did not, was have some basic consideration for other human beings feelings. She said point blank that she does not care, and I am sorry to say that that is a very prominant attitude here in American- it's all about me, and the rest of you be damned. Very sad. 

  

Someone here made the point of public displays of affection. Ok, if you were in a restaurant and a couple was getting carried away at a table, wouldn't you at least wish they had the consideration to respect the feelings of other people around them rather than make everyone uncomfortable? Braver souls might even send a host over to ask them to stop, or speak up themselves.  

  

The simple fact is that you don't HAVE TO make a public display out of yourself. I know that there are times in life that you would like people to be more considerate of you (for whatever reason), but if your attitude is that you never have to, then don't ever expect anything in return.  

I totally agree with you! Have some consideration for the people around you trying to eat.
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:10 pm PDT

Are you for real?

Quote From: animalcat

In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy. Now about the sex education, schools should not give out condoms. That is a big NO NO! Leave anything personal and private to the parents, not the teachers. Its the parents job to tell their children about sex and other things too.
I've read, and reread your message. I'm not sure if your profile name has anything to do with what you've passed along to the "ignorant" half of society, but I would take a wild guess that you don't have human children, rather feline children.  Before I go on...even kittens nurse.  Either you were raised in a convent, or your in your 90's. I would like to add, if you are elderly, you are excused, and I meant no disprespect.  If you are not, you need to see much more of the world before you judge others on the likes of being a lady.  LADYLIKE....it makes me laugh!  What in your opinion is a lady?  What does ladylike have anything to do with feeding a baby?  In a restroom?  Where, and how were you fed? Yikes...the restroom.!  Do you know that you are to keep your toothbrush atleast 6 feet away from the toilet because of fecal bacteria?  You want babies to eat in the bathroom?!  I hate to think of your daily, or lack of daily hygiene if you think the proper place for a mother to nurse is in a restroom, so your virgin eyes don't see another breast!  UGH!!!  Aren't they just the nastiest things!  Oh my gosh....and the dreaded nipple! What shall we do?  Feed our children the way God intended...anywhere, and anytime!   
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:11 pm PDT

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Quote From: fullbit

OMG how awful... first off we are not trying to give you a peep show... why don't you excuse yourself and go eat in te bathroom.   

  

and another thing many children who are EBF will NOT take an artificial nipple... both of my children wouldn't take a bottle because they refused the artificial nipple.  and breastpums are like milking machines for cows.  I had an excess of milk which I dinated to the milk bank.  I HAD to pump and let me tell you it's very uncomfortable.   Mother's who breastfeed their babies are being responsible for their child.  if you are uncomfortable with it then you don't have to look.  do you watch movies or TV that show nudity? are you uncomfortable with that too????  

  

i totally agree the baby has to eat to if you dont like it LEAVE
 
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Quote From: terrysgirl

I am totally in favor of breastfeeding, as I think it creates a special bond between mother and baby.  I don't, however, feel that the mother should display her breasts while breastfeeding.  The mothers who breastfeed without something covering the baby  would probably be mortified to show her breasts in any other situation, so why should she show her breast just because a baby is attached to it? Not everyone finds breastfeeding attractive.

I breast fed both my boys and I don't find it attractive. It is feeding your baby it isn't a fashion show. Having a two year old on one hip, a 6 month old on the other, and not having showered in 24 hours isn't attractive either. But, if I need to go to the store because I am out of milk I do it. My kids need me to do it. Once a child has the ability to remove a cover that should not be the end of breast feeding or the beginning of exile. I am much more concerned with the health and well being of my child then how attractive I might be at that moment. I would always latch under a blanket, but once my children could they would remove it and my shirt would come down to their lips and the blanket I would tuck over my stomach... is the back of my babies head that offensive? 

 
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October 7, 2005, 6:11 pm PDT

"It's not attractive"

Quote From: shellyee

Since everyone keeps calling me that girl, although my name is Shelly. I figured I better post here because my point if view is being seriously corrupted ny other other posters on this board. My very first sentence when I spoke was "I am not against breastfeeding at all". Therefore, I do not long lectures on the benefits of breastfeeding, or how natural it is. I have a full education and I am totally aware. The point I very clearly made, and Saynorra did not, was have some basic consideration for other human beings feelings. She said point blank that she does not care, and I am sorry to say that that is a very prominant attitude here in American- it's all about me, and the rest of you be damned. Very sad. 

  

Someone here made the point of public displays of affection. Ok, if you were in a restaurant and a couple was getting carried away at a table, wouldn't you at least wish they had the consideration to respect the feelings of other people around them rather than make everyone uncomfortable? Braver souls might even send a host over to ask them to stop, or speak up themselves.  

  

The simple fact is that you don't HAVE TO make a public display out of yourself. I know that there are times in life that you would like people to be more considerate of you (for whatever reason), but if your attitude is that you never have to, then don't ever expect anything in return.  

I think the point you (unfortunately) made was that breastfeeding in public wasn't 'attractive'.  That is very sad.  Who ever said it was an issue of attractiveness? How many fat bellies do you see hanging over their low rise jeans in a day?  Is that attractive? Should they all go to the bathroom to eat their lunch? I hope that you will one day have a baby of your own and realize what it means to love something so much that you are willing to be unattractive.
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:12 pm PDT

pump it!!

OK THIS COMMING FROM SOMEONE WITH NO CHILDREN.... THIS WOULD BE WHAT I WAS SCREAMING AT THE TV TODAY...  WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH USING A BREAST PUMP AND TAKING A FEW BOTTLES WITH YOU WHEN YOU GO OUT??  I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT... 
 
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