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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 8:58 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: tammyo1973

Post this picture of me.. I am breastfeeding... where is my boob... I don't see it and neither do you.. so what is the problem?? 

 

Go Tammy.  You and your baby are beautiful!!!!  

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:58 pm PDT

Nursing In Public

I've been nursing my son for 13 months.  Prior to 13 months ago, I had no idea there was such a stigma surrounding feeding a hungry child.  I'm appalled at those of you who equate breastfeeding in public to allowing your husband to suck your breast in public.  The two are on totally different levels from each other.  But that is a fine respresentation of society's view of breastfeeding today...or I should say the US's view, because we're the only ones who really make such a big deal about it.  I co-host a message board that offers support and information to moms who breastfeed or who are interested in breastfeeding and it's very frightening at how uneducated our society, including health care providers, is on the subject.  For those of you who think that going somewhere private is a compromise...well, how is it a compromise to expect a woman to leave her family/dinner guests/party, etc, to feed her baby?  And what of the woman who has other children to tend to?  Are they to all get up and leave for the nearest bathroom or car?  And why do you expect her to feed a baby in a bathroom?  Contrary to popular belief, you don't need to rub anything on a toilet to expose yourself to germs in a bathroom.  Whenever you are willing to eat your lunch in a bathroom if you offend me then maybe I'll be willing to nurse in one.  Breastfeeding is not a time of exile for a mom and her baby whether you think it's a beautiful thing or not.  People get on my nerves every day.  People offend me every day.  I don't like to see someone chew with their mouth open.  What's the solution?  Look the other way.  There are so many asinine rules people put on breastfeeding:  No longer than (insert your preference here) weeks/months; No breastfeeding after the baby gets teeth; If the baby is old enough to ask for it then he's too old to have it; and, unfortunately, I could go on.  Most people who have such strong opinions really have nothing that supports that opinion.  Fine...breastfeeding's not for everyone - but it is for SOME.  We tolerate a lot of things when we step outside of our front doors.  Why so many people have such a strong intolerance for breastfeeding is beyond me.  And those of you who say, "I don't care if you breastfeed, just don't do it where I can see it," are selfish.  You can't see a breast as anything other than sexual.  Some women nurse discreetly, some don't.  Some women dress discreetly, some don't.  Some women do lots of things that some don't.  At least educate yourself before you judge someone else.  At least know the difference between breastfeeding and formula feeding before you make a decision on what's best.  At least put yourself in someone else's shoes before you start telling the world what they need to do.  And the waitress with the exposed butt analogy...that wasn't even relevant.  I highly doubt most waitresses are nursing and serving tables at the same time.  There are lots of things that I think are unattractive.  Does that give me the right to request that a person leave my vicinity while these things are taking place?  Apparently so.  And the, "I don't care if you do it, just don't do it in my face," comment was equally as illogical.  What's in her face?  In her line of view?  That's apparently what it takes to be in her face.  I don't want anyone doing anything "in my face," but it seems that all you have to be is visible at all to be in someone's face.  Well, from now on, I don't want anyone sneezing, blowing their nose, picking out a wedgie, zipping their fly, adjusting themself in any way, or kissing their significant other in my face.  I find it all offensive and unattractive.  If you must do it, go to your car or to the bathroom no matter what.  Give me a break, people.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:58 pm PDT

relax on condoms

People who don't think condoms should be given out in high school do not have any real understanding of how high schoolers go about learning about and engaging in sex. There is an epidemic of stds amongst high schoolers. The rise is particularly high in the group who are abstaining from intercourse but are having oral sex because they think it is not sex. They are getting oral stds! That indicates a serious lack of understanding about sexuality and health. We have reams of scientific evidence that education prevents stds, pregnancy, and saves lives. Passing out condoms, as part of a comprehensive sexual health education program, should be part of every high school curriculum. IT WILL SAVE LIVES! Don't be foolish and think that denying your high schooler access to condoms is going to make them stay a virgin longer. The reality is that giving out condoms will make for a healthier student population. Learn the facts.
 
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October 7, 2005, 8:58 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

I have two children, one is 3, who was breastfed until he was 14 months, and the other will be 12 months next week, who is still breastfed.  With my first, I was very reluctant to nurse in public because of all of the negativity associated with it.  I would find a dressing room if at the mall, or go out to my car.  Now that was quite an inconveniece, having to drop what you are doing, struggle with a hungry baby, make your way out to the car, etc...you get the picture.  This time around, I am much more confident.  There are still times when I will try to find a private location just because of my own insecurities, but I in no way believe that a woman SHOULD go somewhere private just to nurse.  I wish I were more comfortable at all times and locations to nurse where I am, and hopefully I will get there.  I do not use a blanket to cover myself, as the baby's head does a wonderful job at covering everything.  I have seen bathing suits that reveal more of a woman's breast.  And so what if a little skin shows?  Everyone on this earth has nipples...men and women.  I just don't see the big deal personally.  I've also noticed that the anti NIP (nursing in public) people seem to think that we just kind of "flop" or "flaunt" or "whip" our breasts out in a very flashy manor when attempting to nurse our babies.  I have yet to see any nursing mother do any of those things and I seriously doubt any of those posters have either, it is just the idea they have.  I do agree that we are very backwards in certain areas, especially when it comes to feeding our babies.  I think the only way to normalize NIP is for more women to do it.   

  

Also, I've noticed in some of the more recent posts quite a few people suggesting that moms use breast pumps and pump bottles before going out.  Has it ever occurred to anyone that some women aren't able to pump enough milk using a pump?  A baby is able to get more milk from the breast than a pump will.  Another thing, some babies will not take bottles if exclusively breastfed.  Besides that, especially early on, using a bottle instead of the breast for one or more feedings can lead to very full breasts, which is quite uncomfortable, and if not emptied, they can become engoreged, which can lead to infection, and also decrease the milk supply.  It is a supply and demand thing, breastfeeding is...so the more feedings you skip/use the bottle, the less milk your body will make.  With my first, I tried the pumping milk thing before going out.  I was able to pump enough, but my challenge was getting the baby to drink from the bottle.  He wouldn't have any of it, and it only made me and him much more frustrated, and then I had to deal with an angry, hungry baby that I ultimately had to nurse anyway, so why bother with the pump?  And as for one poster who mentioned feeding baby BEFORE going to a restaurant thereby making the baby sleep during dinner...Try making a baby eat when it's not hungry...doesn't work too well from my experience.  And as far as people being offended by a baby nursing in a restaurant...well, what more appropriate setting than that?  If I'm not mistaken, don't people go to restaurants to eat?  So why shouldn't a baby be allowed to take full advantage?   

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:59 pm PDT

Let Love Rule

   During my first pregancy, I didn't think I'd care for breastfeeding, but decided  the first 3 months were important for the health of my baby. I had no idea what a precious relationship it would be. I breastfed each of  my  two children for 18 months.  I always used a light blanket for my own modesty as well as the sensibilities of others. They were used to the light blanket and so never ripped it off. However, it has never bothered me to see a mother pull a top up modestly, and let her baby nurse; the baby is covering the nipple and the sweater is covering the top of the breast. 

  In short, most of the time a mother can love her baby and at the same time extend respect to those around her. It's a very good time for her to prepare herself to teach her child to not let their "rights" supercede being kind to those around them. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 8:59 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

  They have smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants. Looks like we should ask for breastfeeding or non-breastfeeding sections as well.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:00 pm PDT

A man's perspective at last

Quote From: keithlamb

The entire subject is moral based and what the moral's are in our country. I travel the world and see a lot of cultures. In a country like Qatar a woman needs to wear clothing that covers not only the breast but the entire body including the head, yet in africa a tribal woman may not cover her breast at any time. In most of the western world breast feeding is extremely natural. Why in America do we have a problem with breastfeeding yet we are the world's highest subscribers to pornography?  I am a male, I like a woman's breast as much as the next guy, yet breastfeeding is not sexual, it is the way the human body was designed to raise our young. The people that have a problem with it are the same people that are facinated when an animal feeds a litter of young. It is as natural as anything can be. People that think that mother's should go to the toilet to feed their young are not thinking clearly at all,do they expect that children should be fed in the most unsanitary room in the world. This country needs to get over the sexual conotations about breast feeding. It is the design of the human body. My children with my first wife were all breast fed. I did not have a problem with other people seeing my wife's breast. My last wife refused to breast feed at any time. I actually would have prefered that she did. It is much more healthy for the child and gives the child a much better imune system than not breastfeeding.
Great message!! Thank God there are some men out there who understand and appreciate the difference between what's healthy and natural and what's sexual.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:00 pm PDT

Cover up

I do not want to be in Toy's "R" Us and see a nursing Mom exposing herself to the curious eyes of little children that might or might not have been nursed themselves.  I witnessed this, recently, as she proudly let her two older children touch her breast that was fully exposed.  I also noticed moms pulling their staring children away.  This woman had no respect for herself or her children.  Give me a break....nursing in a restaurant....do they really crave that kind of attention.  My own children excused themselves and went to another room for privacy with both mother and child returning fully content.  Have respect for yourself  

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:00 pm PDT

Breastfeeding

I'm a 17 year old single mother and though I do not breastfeed, I do STRONGLY believe it is okay to do in public.  People do not have to watch or look at a mother feeding her child.  She absolutely SHOULD NOT have to leave a public area to go feed her child.  For example, what would a mother do or where would she go to feed her child on an airplane? Though I feel very strongly about breastfeeding in public being okay, I do think that women who do choose to breastfeed in public should not expose their breast before feeding. Their are many ways to breastfeed in public and be discreet enough about it that people wouldnt even know thats what you were doing.  In my opinion, anyone who says breastfeeding in public is unattractive, or disgusting; definately do not know what its like to have a baby or love a child.. My advice to those people against public breastfeeding should learn to turn your heads and mind your own business. 

  

And as for handing out condoms in schools, there is nothing a school can do to stop kids from having sex; and handing out condoms definately doesnt promote sexual activity.  As I said before I'm 17 and a single mother; and no matter how educated I was on sex, STDs, and pregnancy had no effect on my choice to have sex.  I do not think condoms should be handed out in schools, for the simple respect of the parents. Its a parents job to talk to their children and not the schools.  But even that can only do so much, because teens will do what they please. 

 
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October 7, 2005, 9:00 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: virgoe87

well said!!! I agree 100% if they choose to breastfeed in public, have a little corner for them because in that case we know to avoid to look at that area when we're in the mall or something with our own kids. 

Do you have children?  My first two refused a bottle.  If I fell off the face of the earth, they would have ended up in the hospital...they flat out refused a bottle.  What about that?
 
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