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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 10:17 pm PDT

The Breatfeeding Debate

Shelly, you say you find breastfeeding "unattractive" and this is the reason you would prefer not to look at it. I find people walking around with cigarettes hanging out of their mouths unattractive and disgusting, does this mean those people should not have the right to smoke in public (outside)? What if I extended that line of thinking to people who dress sloppily or are just plain ugly? If I think  those things are "unattractive" does this mean these people shouldn't be allowed outside of their homes for fear of offending someone such as yourself? Who says you or anyone else gets to dictate what is or is not unattractive when it comes to another person? I am also curious to know where you hang out that you so often see women who rip off their entire tops and wave their breasts around before proceeding to feed their child. I'm just curious because this is not a phenomenon I have ever witnessed, nor did I do it myself when I was breastfeeding my two children. I can however say that I have seen a lot more breast just walking around a public place (mall, grocery store etc.) because of certain people's choice of attire than I have seen on a breastfeeding mother. Again should low cut shirts be outlawed because I or anyone else deems them "unattractive"? 

  

I think you really revealed your ignorance when the woman you were debating posed the question "how would you like to eat your sandwich on the toilet?" and you responded by saying "no one ever said you had to wipe your breast on the toilet seat and then feed your child with it!" (i'm paraphrasing a bit, I don't remember your exact words) I don't think she was asking you if you would like to use a toilet seat as a plate for your sandwich, I believe what she was getting at is would you even like to sit on a public toilet while eating your lunch? I don't know about you but most public bathrooms I've been in don't do a lot for my appetite. The thought of sticking anything in my mouth while in one, whether it be a stick of gum from my own purse, or a breast that has been "wiped on the toilet seat" nauseates me. I hope being on the show has taught you to broaden your horizens and realize that others besides yourself have needs and values.  

 

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October 7, 2005, 10:19 pm PDT

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I would also love to see an entire hour devoted to this topic.
i definatly think that Dr.Phil should do an entire show covering the breastfeeding topic.  After reading many of the messages tonight, I am glad to see that there are many women out there BFing.  I think that the show today did not cover the real aspects of BFing.  The nutritional, medical, emotional, and psychological angles should all be talked about. I think that there needs to be more positive education out there for mothers-to-be. Since I have had my daughter 10 months ago I joined a support group for BFing moms.  It has been great to talk to other moms having the same problems and issues that I was.  BFing is NOT easy in the beginning.  I think that if more women had more information or knew where to go to help they would be less likely to give up in the first few weeks that are so very hard.  DR.Phil PLEASE do an entire show on this topic. It is something that is not really discussed in its entirety and if it was it would help so many.
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:19 pm PDT

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 I wish Dr. Phil would Ask Robin what she tought about Breast Feeding in Public..................I just love her but I think he should include her alittle bit more in the shows.  What do Ya'll think
i would like to hear what robin has to say and not just a few seconds but lets demonstrate it and see what the big deal is I would bring my son and feed him in the audience.  Then lets see how bad this whole breastfeeding in public really is.  get tips and suggestins
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:20 pm PDT

Congratulations!

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Very soon (in the next few months) I will become a new mom who will have to deal with breastfeeding in public firsthand and for the first time ever. I've read many of the posts already placed regarding this topic and I have to say, a few people noted, and I agree tremendously, use something to cover yourself and the baby. Not only (and this is the most important to me) will the child be able to feed without stares, but they'll be able to eat comfortably. And as some people have mentioned to me that breastfeed now, making YOURSELF comfortable is important as well. If you're one of those people, like I know how I'll be, use a small blanket to have privacy, plus you can walk around and shop, eat, whatever you have to do. I don't think I would want complete strangers staring at my boob. There are people out there that don't really care about that and are very comfortable with exposing even a small portion of their breasts for the sake of allowing their child to eat, and ya know, to me that is fine but I wouldn't do it out of respect for myself first, then my son, and my son's father. Someone mentioned that breastfeeding is sacred and that is so right on point!! Not all women have the priviledge to be able to breastfeed and being able to should be something kept with pride and modesty. And not even to "hide it" for strangers, but to keep that bond between the mom and baby. And NOT have to feed their child in a dirty public restroom either like mentioned on the show. That is so disgusting and inappropriate.
Congratulations on your new baby and I'm so glad you've decided to breastfeed him/her.    But be forewarned you may change your tune about nursing in public after you actually try it. ;o)  I'm very discreet but I must say, it's hard to get a newborn latched on correctly and you're going to need to SEE what you're doing.  You can't see if you're covered with a blanket.    Don't worry.  You'll both get better at it and then he'll just latch himself..  Once your little one gets older, he may decide for himself that he doesn't like that blanket on his head and it's going to cause more of a scene to fight him over it than it will to nurse without it.  Personally, I think a blanket just draws more attention to what you're doing. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:21 pm PDT

Wow!

After spending hours looking at all these responses, I'm amazed that breastfeeding has been the "hottest topic."

I breastfeed my daughter for 10.5 months.  Parenthood is one of the most life changing experiences regardless of bfing or not.  I'm so proud of my daughter.  When I see her talk or walk, I'm so amazed that I grew her for 9 months, then I created her food for another 10 months.  It was difficult at times pumping at work for 8 months.  I wanted to give up, but sometimes I just needed that strange look I would get when Bfing in public (not that anything really showed - come on give me a break) to keep me going, because I knew it was the best thing posible for me and my daughter.  Sometimes being out of our comfort zones is what we need to be educated.

I know at times to some people it must seem "gross" especially when eating.  I can't tell you how many times I would pick a seat in a restuarant w/ no one around, and someone would always sit near me - to later get to learn how a baby is breastfed.  Kind of annoying.  Honestly, after I started supplementing w/ formula I did feed the baby much in restuarants b/c the table got in the way.

As far as caring about who sees your breast is concerned, after being in the hospital and having many people in your "female business," you get to a point where you just don't care.  The instinct of motherhood takes over. 

I can remember may times family members thinking I was too open in my own house even about breastfeeding.  Now that really bothered me, but in public I NEVER cared about all the strange looks I would get when people would wander what that baby was doing.

I find it sad to see so many women not giving breasting feeding a chance.  Seeing all these pictures of babies at the breast, it really makes me miss it!  I was so cool to watch my daughter enjoy the food that I produced.  Truely amazing.

I guess I'm stating all this, because it's so hard to understand what breastfeeding is like until you have done it or been a daddy of a breastfed baby.

Well one last thing -  Maybe once our society gets used to public breastfeeding, then our kids will be better behaved and when they are in HS won't need condoms. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:22 pm PDT

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 I wish Dr. Phil would Ask Robin what she tought about Breast Feeding in Public..................I just love her but I think he should include her alittle bit more in the shows.  What do Ya'll think
i would like to hear what robin has to say and not just a few seconds but lets demonstrate it and see what the big deal is I would bring my son and feed him in the audience.  Then lets see how bad this whole breastfeeding in public really is.  get tips and suggestins
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:23 pm PDT

Debate

I just wanted to respond to some of the things said on the show about breastfeeding in public I am the mother of a 2 month old and I breastfeed.  I don't feel that there is anything wrong with breastfeeding in public and if it is your preference to cover up or not that is your own business.  I know that when I leave the house I have to leave prepared to feed my daughter because being in a new place my be scary for her and she'll want to nurse for the comfort. I however have a problem with the comment made by the guest with the opposing opinion I don't breastfeed my child to be beautiful or more attractive for anyone I do it because my child is hungry and it is my responsibility to feed her. I also had a problem with her response about feeding in the bathroom. No you didn't ask me to rub my breast on the toilet and then feed my child but I didn't say I was going to throw your sandwich in the toilet and then make you eat it. All that was said was if you can go sit on the toilet in the bathroom and eat your meal and have that be ok with you. Then sure why shouldn't women breastfeed in the bathroom. However, if you find that disgusting and nasty to think about then why should my kid get that treatment. I mean if we're going to start discriminating against people who don't know any better why don't we feed toddlers dirt? or how about lets all go around tripping blind people? or calling deaf people names? Giving substandard treatment to those who cannot stand up for themselves is morally wrong and people should think about that before we quickly dismiss breastfeeding mothers and tell them to hit the lavatory.  

  

 
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October 7, 2005, 10:23 pm PDT

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i don't think people should breastfeed in public unless they are covered by a blanket or something. i have a 5 year old boy and he is always asking what people are doing. i don't think i should have to explain that to him. when he is older maybe. but most places have a place for them to feed. i don't walk around with  food for him. if he is hungry we go somewher and eat. i don't want to look at someone else breastfeeding. i believe that is something to do the pricacy of your home or somewhere that not everyone is looking at you. i think that people that breast feed in public are just looking for attention. go home and get your attention from your husband. i don't want  to see your breasts. keep them to your self. if i want to see them i could go to the strip club and see as much as i wanted.
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:23 pm PDT

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So what your saying is that if I am in a restaurant where you are,  then i had better look the other way?  Why do you think that I should have to look the other way, why shouldnt you have to go into a restroom or a private room????   

So if I smoke a cigarette in a public place where your breastfeeding, you should leave if you dont want your child or yourself to be exposed to my smoke!   

How is my bfing putting you at risk of DEATH? You can't possibly compare the two and have an intelligent argument.
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:23 pm PDT

An editorial on breastfeeding

I wrote this to a local paper, and they published some of it.  It was my hope that people would understand that breastfeeding is normal and that mothers need support.  

  

Some Truths about Breast-feeding 

  

There seem to be some myths and assumptions about breast-feeding mothers when it comes to public feeding. I believe it’s time we start de-mystifying breast-feeding and start raising awareness. The Arizona Department of Health apparently agrees; the fourth objective of the Healthy Arizona 2010 Program under the Maternal and Infant Health section is to increase the proportion of mothers who breast-feed their babies, strategy 4.1 being to increase public awareness and acceptance.  

  

A mother can’t stay at home the entire time she is lactating, asking her to do so is unreasonable. She has other children and a life. The reason she wants legal protection is because she is being told to leave places she’s otherwise entitled to be. Being told to breast-feed in the bathroom or "somewhere else" sends the message that "you are not welcome here". In other states where laws have been enacted to protect breast-feeding, mothers continue to be respectful to themselves, their family and the public. What has changed is that they can now continue to enjoy and carry on with their lives without fear of being harassed while feeding their children. Obviously there is a need for Arizona to address this issue, especially as the number of mothers who choose to breast-feed is rising.  

  

Yes breast-feeding is a natural function, it is a form of getting nutrients, it’s how babies eat. Some try to compare it to other natural functions such as urinating. Well, babies also urinate but we aren’t asking to be able to take their diapers off and let them urinate wherever we are in public. Equating eating with urinating seems kind of disgusting to me, I know I don’t take my meals to the restroom.  

Breast-feeding is not indecent. The "reckless exposure" of the nipple and/or areola of a woman's breast to a person who could reasonably be expected to be offended is what is considered indecent in the Arizona Revised Statutes. A baby that is hungry is eager to latch on, and once latched on the nipple and areola are covered by the baby's mouth, his/her head covers the view of the surrounding area and the woman's clothing stays on, usually draping over the breast/cleavage area. Usually it looks like the baby is just laying in the mother’s arms. It’s when there is a blanket that is draped over the mother and baby that it is most obvious she is breast-feeding under there. 

  

Some people believe a breast-feeding mother should cover herself and her child with a blanket or shawl. Many breast-feeding mothers do use covers just for their own personal comfort. Other mothers are confident and discrete enough they don’t feel the need to. In Arizona we also have to acknowledge that in this heat it is unreasonable and possibly dangerous to ask a mother to put a blanket over her child’s face for 20 minutes. Infants are particularly prone to overheating as their systems are not mature enough to regulate body temperature as well. Also, around 4 months of age, the child becomes more aware of his/her surroundings and fights having their face covered. Try and place a blanket over an older baby’s face and see what they do! They simply don’t like it and usually fight to get it off, actually drawing more attention to the situation. 

  

Some might argue that a breast-feeding mother should express milk at home and when feeding her child in public use bottles. This works for some mothers, but there are a few reasons this is not always ideal. First, a mother who is exclusively breast-feeding (meaning not supplementing with formula or solid foods) is the sole provider of her child’s nourishment. A mother who is exclusively breast-feeding has a larger milk supply. Around the time her child will need to eat, which can be up to 8-12 times a day depending on the age of the child, her breasts fill with milk. She needs to express this milk, the most efficient way is having the child nurse but pumping is another option. I personally think breast-feeding in public is less noticeable than pumping in public. If the mother does not express her full breasts she can become engorged. Engorgement is not only uncomfortable, but can lead to mastitis, an extremely painful infection than requires medical attention. For a mother who has a larger milk supply, the need to empty the breast is even more important because her breasts are more "full". Also, it is common for exclusively breast-fed babies to outright refuse artificial nipples. The baby will refuse to take the bottle and instead scream in hunger and frustration. Personally, I think a mother breast-feeding is much less disturbing than a screaming baby.  

  

It is stressful being the mom of a new baby. You are dealing with sleepless nights, adjusting to all kinds of new emotions, being bombarded with unsolicited advice and trying to do what is best for your child. Breast-feeding is not always easy. Sadly, no matter how a mother chooses to feed her child she is ridiculed, just at a time when she is most vulnerable and overwhelmed with taking care of this little person. What mothers need is support. When you see a mother feeding her baby, regardless of whether she’s breast-feeding or bottle-feeding with formula or expressed milk, just smile at her and tell her how beautiful her child is if you feel comfortable doing so. It will make her day, and that can be the difference between a stressed out mom and a confident, happy mom. In the end everyone wins, including baby. 

 
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