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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 7, 2005, 10:25 pm PDT

You asked for it!

Okay! First I don't have children.......But I work in retail.......... And the things parents let their children do in public is quite annoying to me!  My parents Dr.Phil would not allow me to be a nuance to others while out in public with them.  Many times if I acted up in public my parents would stop what they were doing and one of them would take me to the car or to the rest room to get me in hand!  At resturants I was not allowed to raise my voice or cause attention to our table.  I was told that we were in public and bad behavior was not acceptable!  That woman on your show who had the three kids who's pastor told her to only bring one child in at a time well that should of been her wake up call!  And she is now going to have another child! God I hope she reads your book!  I have to say that I do have a habit of interjecting my views when I see or hear unacceptable behavior out of children.  I was cashiering once at my job.  There was a woman in my register lane who's child was screaming and crying "I want a toy"!  For the twenty minutes it took for this lady and her child to pass through my check out line the entire front end of the store had to listen to this child scream! 

I never scanned groceries so fast in my life - I wanted that child out of the store pronto!  When it was finally this woman's turn at my check out her little boy was still screaming he wanted a toy!  And mom very calmly says " Well dear your not getting a toy"!  I checked out her groceries and gave her back her change and when her little dear made another requestful scream for a toy  I told the child very bluntly " No! You can't have a toy. And even if your mom wanted to buy you one I wouldn't sell it to you because you don't listen"!  Not only was the child surprized but mommy was quite tickled by my announcement!  She laughed and said Thank you to me!  I realize that children can be controlled like robots but they shouldn't be allowed to be a public nuance either! 

 
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October 7, 2005, 10:26 pm PDT

And We Thought Children Were Naive...

I found this show extremely interesting for the fact that I'm actually writing mock legislation for a non-profitable political youth organization I'm a part of regarding mandatory sexual education in schools (gr.5 to 12) and having condoms available and shown how to properly use them is a huge part of it. 

Ladies and Gentlemen what we have here is simple: it is not only children who are naive...it carries into adulthood too.  What do I mean by this?  Many adults/parents have this theory that condoms in schools equals "ok kids, you have your equipment now go get it on!!"  Can the same not then be said of sex ed or the sex talk that (some) parents have with their children?  If you (the parents) tell us (the kids, and yes, I am part of that "us"...I'm 20) how sex works and how to protect ourselves then are you not giving us the "equipment" we need to embark on this wonderful thing they call sex?  I had condoms available to me through my school since I was 14 and I can guarantee you that those who did have sex in high school did it for status before they did it for the fact that they had free condoms lying around.  And so some say "But it should be the parent's responsibility to educate their children in sex."  Fact: Many parents don't educate their children...many of my friends, myself included, are first generation Canadians...our parents don't talk about sex.  And honestly, 90% of these parents I am referring to believe in sex after marriage so they'll teach us abstinence and quite frankly...it's a waste of time.  We passed the sexual revolution...We live in 2005 where sex has become an expression of self that is not as taboo as it might have been when my parents were kids.  Now back to the sex for status theory: maybe that was too general or harsh, who knows, maybe they did it for "love."  The fact is that the kids had sex and it was way too hard to get condoms at the local drug store without knowing someone every few feet away.  Pick your situation (and the option of your child having sex after marriage is not one because it's just not): #1 your kid having unprotected sex because he/she was too embarassed to confide in you and/or to purchase condoms or #2 your kid having protected sex with condoms that were handed out at school.  You can't always assume that what you expect out of your kids is going to happen... Like you taught us so many times "Better safe than sorry."   

 
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October 7, 2005, 10:26 pm PDT

You are so confused

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We are able to eat, and everythiing else, in public with our clothes ON. That is the difference. And you are patently wrong to say it is unsanitary for you to be in the restroom. Your breast is just as sanitary in the restroom as it is anywhere else in the world. It is not about anyones sexual issues, it is about boundaries and respect. If you want people to show you some, you might try having some yourself.
Okay, get a clue here!   First of all, do you like eating in a place where you can smell other people's gas and hear them urinate and defecate? I doubt it. It's not my breast I'm worried about being sanitary; it's the facility itself. My breast doesn't just jump out on its own. Ever notice how many people don't wash their hands? They are touching things I would have to touch. Not to mention it is the rare restroom that has a comfortable, clean, and separate place for nursing moms. If I come across the rare one of those where there is a SEPARATE lounge, I use it IF that's where I am when my baby is hungry.   You know what? I have never taken off a stitch of clothing in order to breastfeed in public, so I don't know where you get the idea that nursing moms are stripping in order to feed. What are you looking at? A "Girls Gone Wild" video??? That isn't how it works. I'm not an exhibitionist. I could probably be in a restaurant booth next you and you wouldn't even know my baby is nursing and not napping in my arms. If you feel the need to look and stare, that's your problem.   It is a sexual issue because this country is obsessed with the female body as a representation of sexuality. I don't know what you think you are seeing. At worst a brief flash of skin when the baby is latching on, but even that is unlikely. If you see a baby that you know is nursing and yet you can't see any part of breast, let alone the nipple...and that makes you uncomfortable...it's YOU.   I have my boundaries and respect my rights and those of my child's first. I'm a mom and it's my job to give my kids the best start possible. Besides, every time a mom nurses her baby in public, that's one more mother acting in a normal loving manner - just as much so as a bottle-feeding mom. There is no shame in using breasts for their intended purpose.   I'm tired of the attitude that is being perpetuated by statements like yours. It shows ignorance and THAT is a true lack of respect.
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:26 pm PDT

discipline my child?`

I think that people especially those without kids should mind their own business when it comes to rowdy kids in public. Sure they can be disruptive but give the parents some time to settle them down. I think that unless the child is in immediate mortal danger you should let me deal with my own kids the way I want to and if my parenting style is to let them scream it out in public then so be it. Go somewhere they don't allow kids if you want peace and quite.
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:27 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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First of all I am not a mother but that does not hender my knowledge.  I would like to say that breastfeeding privately in public in one thing, however, there are many mothers out there who just let their breast be exposed.  What kind of message is that sending to our children...that mommies can expose their body wherever and whenever?  It worries me because so many mothers believe it is a bond between them and their child and I respect that but I don't care to see a bare breast out in the open.  And please don't tell me to look the other way because I don't need to be inconvienced because you want to do as you please.  I just think that most mothers need to learn to compromise and cover themselves up. 

  

Condoms at school...good or bad?  Well first of all it all starts in the home.  I believe that it is not the school's responsibility to teach our children about sex education.  I am a sophomore in college and it's a topic that is roaming all over the campuses in high school and unfortunately in the junior high levels.  There needs to be a "talk" about this in the home.  After this is established then the school needs a sex educational course to refresh or fill in any of the missing gaps.  I believe that handing out condoms at school is not a bad idea.  It does not promote having sex at an early age nor does it influence the teenagers more.  Kids are going to find a way whether or not they have been told in the home that it's bad to have sex before they are married.  Therefore, I think kids should be provided with the knowledge as well as the supplies that go along with it. 

  

Lastly, the issue about rowdy kids in public places and whether or not we have the authority to disipline them is sketchy.  I feel that if some little kid is tormenting me or someone else, he/she or I have the right to tell them to stop.  However, if they are running around not bothering anyone physically but it is still annoying, the best solution is to talk to the parents.  Parents should teach their children how to behave in public places and then we wouldn't have this debate.  Overall, don't approach the children, talk to the parents first. 

I don't really think it is an issue of the mothers doing as they please... I'm not a parent either, so i can't comment on the feeling of not being able to feed their child because someone else does not want to be inconvenienced. I think it's an issue of their child needs to be nourished. And is it really an inconvenience to concentrate  on what you went to that place to do in the first place? If people didn't spend so much time concentrating on how uncomfortable it makes them feel,and spent a little time trying to be empathetic to that small childs' need to eat, not to mention staring at the mother, which probably makes her very uncomfortable, they'd most likely forget it was even happening.
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:27 pm PDT

about disciplining others kids

I was recently a manager of a retail store and was often amazed at the lack of parenting. Kids, even babies would be ignored, strollers sometimes pushed into corners (with a crying baby in it!) for an hour or more! Kids would run around, sometimes grabbing and destroying our product, and frankly I felt that it was my responsibility to protect the store's product, as well as the wellfare of the kids (I wouldn't want them to get hurt), and other customers. Rowdy kids would change the whole atmosphere. Anyways, in a clear, but kind way I would tell the kids that they would have to stay with their parent, or that they weren't allowed to grab things. I would tell parents, too. But, really it blew me away! One day a woman's toddler was eating cookies (morelike slobbering wet cookie goo all over herself) and the toddler was holding a package of envelopes. When the woman went to buy the envelopes she asked me to get her another set , she wasn't going to buy these because they were dirty! I have never felt like I crossed a parental line in disciplining other's kids, but I wish that parent's taught kids the ground rules and didn't so often take the easy way out!
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:27 pm PDT

battle over breastfeeding?!?

I am completely surprised over this debate.  I was a mother at a young age and tried breastfeeding but was unable to continue due to lack of milk production.  For the short time that I did bf I remember having to breast feed in public a couple of times.  It was nerve wracking especially because I was young and already self-conscious.  I covered up and never had any problems.  IT doesn't bother me to see other mothers bf because I know that they are doing what is best for their baby.  Breast feeding is not a sexual thing.  Why should breast fed mothers stay home all day?  That's ridiculous!  The comparison on the show to a waitress exposing her butt was not even comparable to the subject.  Wearing unflattering clothes is a completely different issue and a whole other show!  I think that women should respect each other's choices even if they might differ from your own.  I have had plenty of people judge me for being a young, unwed mother but that has not stopped me from graduating college, top of my class, and becoming a school teacher who supports and cares for her daughter on her own.  Likewise, I don't think nursing moms should be discouraged.  There are plenty of people who will try to bring you down no matter what you decide.  In the end, it is up to each individual to make decisions for themselves, if you formula feed your not giving your baby the best, if you breastfeed you are an "unladylike" sex-crazed maniac!  who just wants to expose your breasts! Come on now people.  Get real!
 

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October 7, 2005, 10:27 pm PDT

Support Breastfeeding!

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dont shame dr.phil for having a different opinion than you..he could be doing the same thing to you..just because you dont share the same opinion doesnt mean you have to shame him.

This had nothing to do with Dr. Phil's opinion but more with his ability to reach people.  He's a public figure and ultimately has a strong influence on people.  He simply could have added some words of encouragement for breastfeeding moms or provided information about the medical benefits!  He chose not to and for that I was disappointed.   

 
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October 7, 2005, 10:30 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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You are right it is public school so why are drugs, sex and crime in public schools!  There are also people who don't beleive in sex before marriage, in drugs and other items.  Everybody has the right to beleive what they want but to make exclusion of GOD is not right but that is my opinion. 

  

Let me clear something else before I forget, regarding the suicide I didnt' make myself clear last time. I know they are not commiting suicide because of the distribution of condoms in schools. They are doing becuase they are missing God or a spiritual individual in what ever religion they believe in. 

I hate to tell you this but drugs, sex and crime are also in private and catholic schools.  Kids are commiting suicide for many different reasons.  To say that it is because they do not have spiritual belief is very narrow minded.  One of them is that they do not feel that they can go to their parents to talk about their problems.  Perhaps they feel guilt because their religious parents would not understand that they made a mistake or do not have the same beliefs as them.  Some have major medical illness such as serious depression that is completely unrelated to religion.  Do you think that no spiritual people suffer from depression? 

 
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October 7, 2005, 10:31 pm PDT

The Show

I  have to say what I think about this.  

What is the big deal about breastfeeding in public???  If you are hungry you are going to eat, if the baby is hungry, the baby is going to eat. I don/t see how breastfeeding can be offensive to anyone 

  

Condoms in school, I am all for it. But you have to have education about sex as well. I think that is a great way to get teen pregnancies under control for example. I read somewhere that US have the highest amount of teen pregnancies and Holland have the lowest. Holland do have good sex education in school, I don't know if the hand out condoms though but my shool did when I was in high school. It worked wonders. 

  

Someone else disciplining your child. It all depends on the situation. If I am on a plany with my 2 year old and he is kicking on the seat in front of him and I have told him a gazillion times to stop. I wouldnt mind having the person he is kicking telling my child to stop.  

  

These are my thoughts on it. 

  

   

 
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