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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 5:09 am PDT

breastfeeding

First of all, I wondered throughout the whole show if that woman has ever heard of a BREAST PUMP?????  If she is so determined to breastfeed in the first place, why doesn't she use a breast pump at home and then she can feed her child in public with a bottle of breast milk? Am I being unreasonable here? I agree with the other lady, I certainly don't want to see anybody's boobs and especially while I'm trying to eat dinner. It's just in poor taste.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:09 am PDT

Had to Laugh

I had to laugh today at the woman who was so offended by the sight of seeing a woman breastfeeding in public, that it was right there in her face and she had a right for it not to be . . . as she was wearing a low cut shirt, exposing her cleavage of nearly half a foot. How about all of the wives and girlfriends out there that don't want that it their, or their husbands faces? If they came up to her to complain would she change the way she dressed, or immediately throw on a coat or shawl so other people wouldn't feel put upon. I think not! I think she'd be the first one to tell the people to mind their business, and that she has a right to dress however & where ever she feels, and that if they don't like it, then just don't look. She needs to find out why she finds it breastfeeding is so repulsive to her, and leave the poor hungry babies alone!
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:13 am PDT

Actually, you're the one who's confused

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Okay, get a clue here!   First of all, do you like eating in a place where you can smell other people's gas and hear them urinate and defecate? I doubt it. It's not my breast I'm worried about being sanitary; it's the facility itself. My breast doesn't just jump out on its own. Ever notice how many people don't wash their hands? They are touching things I would have to touch. Not to mention it is the rare restroom that has a comfortable, clean, and separate place for nursing moms. If I come across the rare one of those where there is a SEPARATE lounge, I use it IF that's where I am when my baby is hungry.   You know what? I have never taken off a stitch of clothing in order to breastfeed in public, so I don't know where you get the idea that nursing moms are stripping in order to feed. What are you looking at? A "Girls Gone Wild" video??? That isn't how it works. I'm not an exhibitionist. I could probably be in a restaurant booth next you and you wouldn't even know my baby is nursing and not napping in my arms. If you feel the need to look and stare, that's your problem.   It is a sexual issue because this country is obsessed with the female body as a representation of sexuality. I don't know what you think you are seeing. At worst a brief flash of skin when the baby is latching on, but even that is unlikely. If you see a baby that you know is nursing and yet you can't see any part of breast, let alone the nipple...and that makes you uncomfortable...it's YOU.   I have my boundaries and respect my rights and those of my child's first. I'm a mom and it's my job to give my kids the best start possible. Besides, every time a mom nurses her baby in public, that's one more mother acting in a normal loving manner - just as much so as a bottle-feeding mom. There is no shame in using breasts for their intended purpose.   I'm tired of the attitude that is being perpetuated by statements like yours. It shows ignorance and THAT is a true lack of respect.
First of all, why do you breast feed at all? Uh....you're the one who mentioned "sexuality".......does it have something to do with that? If you don't want to go into a place where you can smell other people's gas and hear them urinate and defecate to feed your child, GET A BREAST PUMP. Hello??? Simple solution!!
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:15 am PDT

A Dad's point of view

I a dad (married) with 3 young kids  Here's my take on these topics: 

  

Breastfeeding in Public:     My wife tried to breastfeed, but quit early because of the sleep deprivation.  I have a 2 month old, and it's hard enough to get out of the house.   No you should not flaunting your breasts in public, but raising kids is hard enough.  The breastfeeding mom should attempt to cover up, but having to go to the restroom to breastfeed is ridiculous.  I had the impression that this woman who was complaining had no kids and way too much free time.  I have far more serious issues and things to worry about. 

  

Condoms in Schools:         If they can be given out without promoting sex, great.  I wish more effort was spent on demonstating this.  A study from planned parenthood was quoted.   My concern is that that could be biased ,since planned parenthood strongly supports birth control and also abortion.  I wonder if they did the study with the intention of promoting their cause, or if they were legitimately trying to investigate this.  More details on this study and some other statistics from other groups would have had me more convinced. 

  

Discipling Other's Kids:    My 6 year old son is autistic, and I get lots of judgemental remarks.  This serves no purpose, and ignorance is no excuse.  I never get these remarks from the guy with 3 kids or someone knowledgeable on parenting.  It's always from someone with no kids by themselves or with friends.  It is especially annoying if I am actively doing something to correct the situation and someone still criticizes me.    

On the other hand, if I am chasing my daughter one way, and my son runs out into the parking lot, then it is acceptable to try to prevent him from doing so.  If my son is waiting in line and another kid cuts in front of him, I will stop that kid and tell him to go to the end of the line. 

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:19 am PDT

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Quote From: brulewoman

I thought the argument against breast feeding moms was very appalling but most of all very mean spirited.  The primary argument that she could give was that breast feeding is "unattractive"... well doesn't that argument hold for ugly people - fat people, etc etc.  Should all ugly people and fat people stay home because I just can't stand to see people who are so "unattractive"... I mean come on!  I think this lady has some serious problems and I thought Dr. Phil really dropped the ball by not confronting such a weak argument.   

  

My oldest child is almost 16 years old and I publicly breast fed her (and my other 2 kids) - and we watched the show together tonight and she felt proud that her mom took good care of her as a baby.  I never used a cover up or blanket - mostly because I felt that juggling a baby and a blanket was too difficult and I tended to be less discreet with one then without.  I found it impossible to be honest with you.  Most moms who breastfeed their kids are discreet - most women aren't exhibitionists.   

  

Anyway... its all been said before in the previous 3000 + messages - I just wanted to point out the flawed logic and weak argument that the anti-breastfeeding lady had.  Doesn't she have more important things to worry about?  Leave breast feeding moms alone! 

 Why do you think that it is mean spirited. I agree with both of the guests. I breastfed 3 children, and managed to keep from showing my breasts, and rarely did it in public. It should be a quiet, private bonding time, not a public spectical. Even in my own home around my other children I preferred to go to the bedroom in a nice comfortable chair with just me and the baby where both of us could truly relax.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:22 am PDT

public breast feeding

I did breast feed one of my children for nine months and NEVER exposed myself in public (I always had a diaper or something to put over us).  If he had a tendancy to pull the cloth off, I would peek underneath it and keep his attention elsewhere so that this would not happen.  I personally feel that when women expose themselves that THEY are wanting attention, enjoy making other women uncomfortable (or angry if her guy is there), and get a thrill at other men watching her.  Afterall, when have you EVER witnessed a man turn away from a free peek at something that he sees as sexual.  I doublt that there are very many men out there in any given time and place that would turn away disgusted at the sight of a woman exposing herself whether it was to breast feed or not.  I feel that all women who are breast feeding should honor other people's privacy issues and keep them covered in public as WE are the MAJORITY here!
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:24 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: wyldroze

to all mothers who choose to breastfeed in public...............COVER UP!!! i dont care where i am at, but when i see a mother breastfeed in public without being covered up, i find that offensive.  

      if you are shopping and need to breastfeed your child please do so but not in front of everyone to see. you cant possibly hold the baby and push a shopping cart at the same time. 

      in a restaruant if you have a child ask for a table in a corner or a place where its not going to offend anyone so that if you need to you can feed you baby and not have any problems. 

       

in regards to a distrupted child......most children act up because the parent doesnt do their job. if a child is acting up to where it is distupting me i will say something. if the parent gets mad oh well. teach your children that it is not acceptable to act up in public. what you teach your kids at a young age stays with them throughout their life. i always hear the excuses...oh hes just in his terrible 2's or hes tired...give me a break. if a child is being cranky because they are tired then dont keep shopping!! just stop before things get worse and you fet the stares from others around you and from across the room. 

  

Interesting that you would shout 'COVER UP' at a breastfeeding woman. Would you do the same to the attractive young lady with the low cut shirt - because surely you can see just as much breast in both cases. In fact, the young woman with the low cut dress or blouse means to put her breasts on display for sexual or at least provocative purposes. In the case of the breastfeeding woman, the bit of breast that can be seen around the large head of her baby is incidental to her purpose which is to provide nourishment to her child. I think those of you who are on a campaign to wipe out breast-feeding in public need to take some of that energy out into the world to campaign against provocative and breast baring attire. In fact, could you start with provocative children's attire? This 'prosti-tot' look that is sweeping the nation could be fuelling the need for condoms for 13 year olds.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:28 am PDT

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Quote From: rachel23

I think that people especially those without kids should mind their own business when it comes to rowdy kids in public. Sure they can be disruptive but give the parents some time to settle them down. I think that unless the child is in immediate mortal danger you should let me deal with my own kids the way I want to and if my parenting style is to let them scream it out in public then so be it. Go somewhere they don't allow kids if you want peace and quite.

Where the problem arises in my own experience is with your [or others] definition of a 'public place'. A movie theatre, for instance, is a public place. If your child's screaming interferes with my own ability to hear the movie, then I think it is well within my rights to complain. If you don't want me to complain to you, then I will complain to the management. Which would you prefer? I don't care either way, I just want to hear the movie.  

  

Church is also a public place and I am very tolerant of children's need to make some noise, so parents who give children toys and snacks in the pews don't bother me at all. However, if you allow your child to crawl under the seat and poke at the toes peeping through my sandals, then I will object. I promise not to kick your child, but I am likely to bend down, stare him/her straight in the eye and say, "I am listening to Father right now. He is talking about God. I find it hard to listen to him when you are poking me. Please go poke Mommy or Daddy instead. Thank you."  [Children seem to respond to this by quietly crawling away FYI.]  

  

Another public place is the school system. If my child is attempting to learn math facts, then I have to admit that your child's screaming or running is likely to interfere with that. Since the purpose of school is to educate children in the approved curriculum, I would expect that someone is going to interfere with your child's disruptive behaviour.  

  

That's life, you know? I don't get to run screaming through public places as an adult, and somewhere along the line children have to learn that they can't either. If you are teaching them that, I applaud you. If you aren't, what's stopping you?  

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:29 am PDT

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Quote From: gizzymo15

Hello,
I don't not see why people cannot feed there babies in public, I do not have kids right now, but some day I will, and if it were me I would feed my baby anywhere any time. I feel that women should not have to hide such a close moment with their babies. I see nothing wrong with it at all, its natural, and normal. I don't get the big deal, there's nothing wrong with it. Men can go with out there tops in public and its just the same women and feed out side, not a big deal, anyway thats all I got to say about that, until I have kids of my own, its really hard to say what I really want to say. talk to you later

Men can't sit in a restaurant without a shirt. Not everyone wants to see a woman with her breast exposed while they are trying to eat. It is all about respect. There is nothing wrong with feeding a baby in public or the closeness of the moment. If it is so close then the mother should cover it up and share the moment just with her child.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:31 am PDT

condoms

In the heat of passion even a grown man will rarely stop the momentum to locate, unwrap, take 2 or 3 attempts to properly put on a condom. And people expect children to be stronger?   

In the amount of time it takes to locate, unwrap, take 2 or 3 attempts to properly put on a condom neither children have time to say NOT YET?  

Young people and unfortunately many adults do not know bounderies. Where are todays parent-leaders? 

My son fathered a child at age 17. Later he confided in me that he had a condom in his wallet at the time of the passion.  I am proud to say he accepted responsibility for his son even though he and the mother never married/attached. He was a good dad until he died at age 25. 

  

Ron 

 
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