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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 5:33 am PDT

I totally have to leave this debate now...

I'm just amazed and infuriated by the gross amount of IGNORANCE there is about breastfeeding.  Incredible.   

  

I cann't believe some of the ignorant things coming out of some of the posters mouths, um, fingers in this forum.   

  

I can only take hope in the fact that each generation is embracing breastfeeding more and more - the trend is STRONG.  And I know that eventually the ignorance will be diminished to the point where it is insignificant. 

  

You people standing in the way of progress?  WE SHALL BOWL YOU OVER.  You haven't a chance!!!  Put that in your pipe and smoke it...   

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:34 am PDT

public breastfeeding

 Go ahead breast feed where you want.  But cover up with a blanket.  I don't  want to see it.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:37 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: sandiwisc

The woman that was appalled by seeing a mother breast feed in public is just intolerant...  What's next?  If she doesn't like someone's accent, should they be banned to another part of the restaurant?  What about someone's clothing style, or hair color?   If she doesn't want to see something, she can easily look away.   Every restaurant table I have seen has at least 2 seats available, looking in opposite directions... or she could asked to be moved to another table.  I would much rather be in a public place with breast feeding moms, then with people who feel they need to judge others and place their own preferences against others rights.

Sandi, 

  

I felt the same way about Shelly's comments.  She doesn't like what she's looking at?!?!?!?!  How about watching a handicapped person eat, or maybe an elderly person?!?!  Should they also be banned from Shelly's restaurant.  And...why is it so hard to avoid looking at a breastfeeding mom.  I'm sure the mom is not at the table with her.  I'm a small girl, it would be easy not to look at me in a large place such as a restaurant.  The bottom line is that SHE CAN'T NOT LOOK AT A BREASTFEEDING MOM.  I really think Shelly had a problem..perhaps associating breastfeeding with a sexual act somehow.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:38 am PDT

Breast feeding In Public

It really bothers me that our society has double standards and how we use excuses to outcast other people's rights and beliefs.  

  

 We live in a day when it's ok to have a restaurant chain Hooters that do nothing but emphasize butts/breast and that's perfectly ok.  I keep hearing that it's not attractive as if a breastfeeding mom is trying to pick up someone.  There are a lot of unattractive things that we see out in public like belly rings, people being tatooed from head to toe, like people walking around with these half cut shirts exposing their midsections.  We see half naked women parading around and jirating at football games, basketball games in front of our children, but that is perfectly ok.  I see people kissing and fondling one another in public in front of children, but no one is trying to put a stop to this.  I see people smoking in restaurants, blowing their nose at the table and all sorts of other mess. If you allow your children to watch music videos on TV then a bare breast every now and then will not damage their psyche.  Why is it ok to watch music award shows where the dresses are down to the singer's belly button with half of her breast exposed be deemed sexy and a breastfeeding mom is told to go to the bathroom.  How is it attractive to watch a lap dance routine simulating a strip tease attractive, but not nursing your child. If you or your child watch CSI then a breastfeeding mom should be no problem.   

  

Who wants to feed their child in a nasty germ infested bathroom while people are taking a dump, spraying hair spray, throwing up or other gross things that go on in filthy public restrooms.  That's like asking a patron to take their plate in and eat in the restroom, all because you can see bare breast for all of 2 min. It's not like the baby is not a covering while nursing.   

  

I have tried to accomodate my older children by pumping and covering up, but it just does not work. I am a size F and it is hard to cover myself entirely, and when I can I pump, but there are some times when I just have to breast feed in public, and who wants to put a blanket on in 90-100 degree weather or who wants to sit in a car in hot or cold weather and take time away from a family outing. 

  

  Let's face it. How often does a nursing mom get to eat out anyway, and to have to leave just because a few hypocrites are uncomfortable it absurd.  When I can be discreet I am, but when I can't I will not.   

  

Breastfeeding is the most nutritious form of nurishment for a child it builds better immune systems, fights off more childhood illnesses, builds better  eye and brain function, and it this land where everybody elses agenda is in the open a breastfeeding mom has to be made to feel like and outcast.  

  

 My 2 year old goes around pretending to nurse her baby doll or tries to pump, which is what she should do when she becomes a mother, but my 15 year old has seen the reactions from others and claims she's never having children.  This is wrong, because in our disease infested society more mothers should breastfeed to ensure a better quality of health for their children, but our society with all of it's booty shaking and sex crazed TV shows that praise women for cheating on their husbands and lusting after naked gardeners has all of it's priorities in the right place making nursing mom's feel out of place and more a turning away from nursing just to fit in. Let's re-think the message we are sending out to breastfeeding mom's and young people who are considering breastfeeding. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:48 am PDT

Every Mother Has a God given right to breastfeed.

First I would like to start off by saying that I am the mother of two young daughters with my third child on the way. I breastfed both of my girls and plan to do the same with my third child. I am an advocate for breastfeeding for many reasons, one being the exceptional health benefits for your child that NO man-made formula can replicate. The biggest reason I chose to breastfeed was  the closeness that you feel with your child.  You feel a closeness and complete love not to mention the bond when you breastfeed.   

  

Breastfeeding is such a beautiful thing that women have been doing since the day the world was created. If people have a problem with it being done in public then they should just look away. It is every childs' right to be able to be fed when he or she is hungry no matter where they are, in public or at home.  

  

As for the woman on the show who was against breastfeeding in public and thought it was disgusting that the mother takes off her shirt to breastfeed- what country dose she live in? I have NEVER seen a breastfeeding mother take off her whole shirt in order to feed her baby! I think this woman must have some sort of  insecurities and that must be what makes her so naive to the breastfeeding in public issue.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:49 am PDT

Bravo!!!

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Okay! First I don't have children.......But I work in retail.......... And the things parents let their children do in public is quite annoying to me!  My parents Dr.Phil would not allow me to be a nuance to others while out in public with them.  Many times if I acted up in public my parents would stop what they were doing and one of them would take me to the car or to the rest room to get me in hand!  At resturants I was not allowed to raise my voice or cause attention to our table.  I was told that we were in public and bad behavior was not acceptable!  That woman on your show who had the three kids who's pastor told her to only bring one child in at a time well that should of been her wake up call!  And she is now going to have another child! God I hope she reads your book!  I have to say that I do have a habit of interjecting my views when I see or hear unacceptable behavior out of children.  I was cashiering once at my job.  There was a woman in my register lane who's child was screaming and crying "I want a toy"!  For the twenty minutes it took for this lady and her child to pass through my check out line the entire front end of the store had to listen to this child scream! 

I never scanned groceries so fast in my life - I wanted that child out of the store pronto!  When it was finally this woman's turn at my check out her little boy was still screaming he wanted a toy!  And mom very calmly says " Well dear your not getting a toy"!  I checked out her groceries and gave her back her change and when her little dear made another requestful scream for a toy  I told the child very bluntly " No! You can't have a toy. And even if your mom wanted to buy you one I wouldn't sell it to you because you don't listen"!  Not only was the child surprized but mommy was quite tickled by my announcement!  She laughed and said Thank you to me!  I realize that children can be controlled like robots but they shouldn't be allowed to be a public nuance either! 

I totally agree with you!!! All the way, except I don't know that I could have said that as you did, even though I would have wanted to, because there are so many bad people out there that you don't know what they would do to you later. If I was a mother, I would not want others to discipline my children because that would be MY job at doing the right thing. And if the parents were better parents, others would not have to worry about disciplining children that are not theirs nor have to put up the nuisance of them misbehaving. In your story, the mother should have had the respect for others as well as for herself to stop her shopping, take the child outside and all the way home, if need be, to teach the child that he/she can not have their way by screaming for it along with removing the annoyance for others. She could have come back later to do her shopping.  

But bravo for you for speaking up although by the mother thanking you I'm sure the child was learning that the mother was not a very strong parent and he/she could more or less walk over her. I do applaud the mother for not giving into the childs demands but feel she should have taken a better stand and removing him completely.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:50 am PDT

breastfeeding

Why is using a breast pump not an option for mothers who are out with their children shopping, etc so that they'd have a bottle?  If it's the bonding they're after, it doesn't seem that too much bonding can be going on when the mom is holding baby to her breast while sacking produce and tossing soup cans in the cart.   

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:51 am PDT

Breastfeeding in public

I did breastfeed my daughter and yes it was a wonderful bonding experience, however I did take in concideration other people's feelings and I did cover up. One of the guest made a statement that her child would pull the blanket off well so did mine but I kept putting it back on her, and I would hold up one end of it  so she could see me and I would talk to her and she would eventually stop pulling at the cover. I don't think it is ok for breastfeeding moms to just expose themselves, and I don't think we should have to resort to the bathrooms either. I think we as women should respect our bodies and do the right thing and cover up.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:51 am PDT

breastfeeding in public

First of all, if a baby needs to eat, a baby needs to eat! and a mother who probably already has enough doubt , shouldn't feel bad about trying to do the best for her child. Babies who are formula fed can eat anywhere, why can't breastfed babies? As a new mother to a beautiful baby girl, I know if I had to leave a restaurant, shopping center etc.. everytime my baby wanted to eat I'd never get a meal in or anything done. Its isolating enough to have a new baby, and hard enough to sucessfully breastfeed, without having to worry about making others uncomfortable.  

That being said, I do breastfeed discretly, but I REFUSE to cover my babies head with a blanket, its just too warm and stuffy. Would you eat your meal under your bedcovers. and with a 4month old it would be imposible anyway, she's too nosey. I discretly unhook my bra, under my shirt (usually a nursing shirt) then only lift it  once baby is in place. Many times I have had people ask if baby was sleeping, because they didn't realize what I was doing.  

As for the comments by the guest, the "IT WAS NOT ATTRACTIVE", we're not breastfeeding to be attractive! and people don't get kicked out of places because they aren't attractive.  

Its hard enough being a mom, and trying to do what is right, we're bombarded by how breastfeeding is best for baby, Don't punish us for doing it. 

Thank goodness Ive never have anyone make a negative comment about me breastfeeding, because I wouldn't be polite. (if you know what I mean) 

Just my opinion 

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:55 am PDT

Mind their own business????

Quote From: rachel23

I think that people especially those without kids should mind their own business when it comes to rowdy kids in public. Sure they can be disruptive but give the parents some time to settle them down. I think that unless the child is in immediate mortal danger you should let me deal with my own kids the way I want to and if my parenting style is to let them scream it out in public then so be it. Go somewhere they don't allow kids if you want peace and quite.

It is our business if it is disrupting our time and we should not have to go somewhere else because parents like you are too lazy or not good at parenting the proper way. Parents like you are just teaching our children today that they do not have to respect others. That is what is wrong with our children in this world today because of parents like you!!!! 

My parents were good parents and we would have never taken a second thought into screaming in public. We knew better!!!! And as adults, we have great respect for others and for our parents! And are very well mannered in public. 

So as I said to another, maybe you need to take some parenting classes and a class on how to respect others!!!! Quit being so self centered! 

 
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