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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 5:57 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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This had nothing to do with Dr. Phil's opinion but more with his ability to reach people.  He's a public figure and ultimately has a strong influence on people.  He simply could have added some words of encouragement for breastfeeding moms or provided information about the medical benefits!  He chose not to and for that I was disappointed.   

I agree. I was diappointed to hear him suggest a compromise to cover up.  I would encourage others to consider the impact that they are having on mother's who choose to breastfeed.  It's not dirty, and children don't know sex and to explain that this is how God intended for babies to eat would be a sufficient answer.  Let's not be all about ourseleves, let's think of the benefits to the babies.  If you do not know about breastfeeding call or go to the La Leche website to educate yourselves.  Don't remain ignorant.  Help others to support breastfeeding mom's.  Who knows maybe one day your child will grow up and breastfeed.
 
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October 8, 2005, 5:59 am PDT

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*I* was fed that garbage exclusively. I feel that I have the right to call it garbage. There is not one scientific source which advocated formula feeding. It is not equal... those of us who were formula fed are proven to have shorter lifespans... I feel like I was neglected because of this. I'm afraid that I'm going to die sooner because I was fed that garbage instead of breastmilk- and statistically, I will- and so will your beautiful little girls.
Unfortunately there is much supporting evidence that formula is bad and has been misrepresented to the public.  People who do marketing of formula products are some of the best in the field.  It's a billion dollar industry and they fight to make the public believe it's equal or close to human milk when it's certainly not even close.  Formula companies also have they're own lobbyists in Washington and have the money to push the products through.  The only supporting materials for formula are written by formula companies.  However, with that said, this doesn't always result in the ill health of the child, although you'd probably be pretty surprised which diseases and conditions research associates with formula or lack of human milk.  It's not that the formula is healthy, It's that the human body is so amazingly adaptable and can thrive even when not fed the best milk, but who knows how much better it could have been receiving human milk.  When we know better we do better.  It's an education issue.  There are already milk banks that pasteurize human milk in our country (and more coming).  Our countries leading health authorities recommend this before resulting to formula.
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:00 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

Dr.Phil: 

  

I am rather disappointed in your segment on Breastfeeding in public.  I understand that this is a hot topic and was presented as a debate between two very extreme women.  However I would have thought that you might have presented some research or perhaps had a IBCLC (Lactation Consultant), Dr. William Sears or Dr. Nils Bergman on the show to talk about the research behind breastfeeding and the benefits of breastfeeding, in public or wherever.  I strongly believe that the people who are to the extreme against breastfeeding in public feel this way because they perhaps are not educated on the issue.  You have the priviledge of educating people about so many things being in your position and this is one area where you could have stepped up.  I personally believe that it is up to the woman breastfeeding where and when she should do so.  I do breastfeed in public and can't say that my breast is ever "hanging out" I do not however put a blanket over my baby.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:01 am PDT

Parents who don't discipline their children

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I couldn't help but offer my opinions on these controversial questons.  As far as breastfeeding in public, I have to say that I was very nervous when my daughter was born because I didn't  think  I would   feel comofortable breastfeeding in public, but it's different once you have your baby.  I think that there are two extremes when it comes to breastfeeding in public.  Breastfeeding is natural and beautiful, not to mention essential to your child's health and well-being.  However, we do need to hold some standards of modesty in public.  I believe it's perfectly ok to breastfeed in public, as long as you are covered up.  I always kind of cringe when I see the woman who walks into the grocery store with a baby on her breast, baring it all for the world to see.  To me, breastfeeding is something sacred and should be done with some sort of modesty out in public. 

I DO NOT think that schools should be handing out condoms.  That is sending the WRONG message to children and I don't think it's the school's place.  Parents should be teaching their children about sex.  I think when we leave such topics up to a school to teach, there's bound to be chaos.  Our schools have enough trouble teaching our children in reading and writing.  Leave sex education up to the parents.  There are other places that children can get condoms if they so wish to do so.  (such as Planned Parenthood). 

I also do not belive that anyone else has a right to discipline your child if you are there.  If  your child is with another parent and you are not there, they need to be able to discipline your child. However, it would be a good idea to discuss acceptable discipline methods ahead of time.  I think if you are out in public and your child is acting up, it is nobody else's business to step in.  I know there have been many times I have WANTED to step in, but to do so would be rude and really wouldn't solve a thing except to offend the parent, which in turn would probably make things worse for the child!  If you see a parent abusing their child, however, then it MAY be appropriate to say somthing. 
I do not have children, so people think I should have no opinion on discipline.  However, every Sunday when I am at church and the same children continue to act up and their parents continue to do nothing, I get extremely frustrated.  I am not talking about a baby who is hungry or wet that is crying.  I am talking about children who are old enough to understand when to be quiet if they are taught.   I feel that it is extremely rude to the priest and to the other parishioners who are there to worship, not listen to unruly children.  The worst part is, we have a crying room where parents can take the children so the parents don't have to miss the mass.  I have spoken to the priest about it and he said in the past when anything has been mentioned to parents, they say if their child is not welcome, neither are they.  They are totally missing the point.  As Dr. Phil pointed out on the show, there are times when you can teach the children about public behavior and private behavior.   I don't get upset with the children, I get upset with the parents for not doing their job.  And if you have no control over your children, then get a babysitter.  I have been to many events where children should not have been present, but were.  Children do not have long attention spans and cannot be expected to sit quietly for hours on end.  When will these parents realize this?
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:05 am PDT

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I AM A MOTHER OF 3 CHILDREN AND BREASTFED THEM ALL. I AM CURRENTLY BREASTFEEDING MY 3 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER BUT I AM THE SHY ONE THAT GOES TO THE BATHROOM WHEN WE GO OUT. I REALLY ENVY THE WOMEN THAT CAN DO IT PUBLICALLY. I SEE NO SHAME IN IT WHAT SO EVER. IT IS A VERY NATURAL THING. I SEE WOMEN NURSING THEIR BABIES IN THE MALL & WISH I COULD DO THAT WITHOUT FEELING LIKE EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT ME. AS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE IT THEY NEED TO MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY. WOMAN HAVE BEEN BREASTFEEDING FOR YEARS AND SUDDENLY IT'S A PROBLEM FOR EVERYBODY. I JUST THINK THAT TODAYS PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO TALK ABOUT SO THEY BRING UP THE TOPIC OF BREASTFEEDING IN PUBLIC. 

It's sad that you are made to feel uncomfortable providing for your child.  I would encourage you to feel free to nurse whereever you are without feeling guilty.  So what if you expose yourself, it's not the end of the world and half the people you will never see again anyway. Our society has it's prorities screwed up.  Everything has sex in it.  Most commericals reflect sexual contents, so find it in yourself to not care what others think.  Your child will benefit greatly. 
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:07 am PDT

latest debates-breastfeeding

Hello, I'm a passed breastfeeding mother of 4.   

20 plus years ago, I fed my children discreetly, in public.  NO one knew.  People  thought they were asleep in my arms.   The clothing that I wore was to assist in this regard.    I had a blanket that was not over them, it was around them.  It also covered me up as well. 

 I never fed my children in public restrooms!  The thought was gross! 

I was well scheduled and fed my children before we went out to eat.  That way I could enjoy the evening.  And fed my children before we went anywhere.  The times that I had to feed them, in public,was to put them to sleep.  My babies  knew that and did not play with the blanket, to toss it off. 

I think the key here is the word discreet.  Being careful to not offend others, and "your" modesty as a mother.  Those are qualities that we want to pass on to our children...not our right to do what ever we want to, because it's natural. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:11 am PDT

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Quote From: noni721

I am not a parent, but I agree with breast feeding your child, but I also agree that if you are going to, have respect for yourself and use a blanket, or a light coverup. I have a friend that has a 16 y/o that just had a baby, and I went over to visit her and see the new baby, and I was just shocked when she lifted up her whole top and let both breasts hang out and started breast feeding. You have to take in concideration of who you are around.  ie: Kids... (teen boys, young men), your brother, father, greandfather...  Come on, your brother, father, grandfather DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR BREASTS!  

  Talk about uncomfortable! But I am personally on both sides of the fence. I just think you have to have respect for yourself and others and use a light blanket, or coverup... THEN YOU CAN BREAST FEED WHERE EVER YOU WANT!!  :) 

  

Also PLEASE STOP BREAST FEEDING BEFORE YOUR CHILD CAN LIFT YOUR SHIRT AND FEED HIS / HERSELF!!!!    I saw that once and I am still disgusted! 

     Noel  

Are you disgusted by all of the garbage you see on TV?  If not then, what's the big deal with breastfeeding.  It's people like you that need to educate yourself on why breastfeeding is important. Instead of complaining about the 16year old you should be trying to help her to be the best parent she can be, and I can tell you she is already off to a great start.  She is a child and she is learning, and when you are at home as she was, she can walk do whatever.  Isn't that the argument in the first place.  Do it in the privacy of your own home, OH, but not if you're there.  Get over yourself. Brother, Fathers, grandfathers know what a breast looks like.  Do you know how much money she is saving by breastfeeding. Do you even know that by her breastfeeding her child is less likely to have severe illnesses because of the strong immune system she is building in her child.  Who needs a friend like you.  Next time you see that young lady, applaud her breastfeeding efforts.  Her technique will get better later.  Some people worry about the dumbest things.  Here are some good parenting resource tools for your friends child.  Make yourself useful and give guidance instead of dumb comments.  Mike and Debbie Pearl at nogreaterjoy.org  Train Up a Child great for young parents on parenting training.  Why don't you give it to her as a gift, and keep your mouth shut. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:11 am PDT

You are the exception

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Okay! First I don't have children.......But I work in retail.......... And the things parents let their children do in public is quite annoying to me!  My parents Dr.Phil would not allow me to be a nuance to others while out in public with them.  Many times if I acted up in public my parents would stop what they were doing and one of them would take me to the car or to the rest room to get me in hand!  At resturants I was not allowed to raise my voice or cause attention to our table.  I was told that we were in public and bad behavior was not acceptable!  That woman on your show who had the three kids who's pastor told her to only bring one child in at a time well that should of been her wake up call!  And she is now going to have another child! God I hope she reads your book!  I have to say that I do have a habit of interjecting my views when I see or hear unacceptable behavior out of children.  I was cashiering once at my job.  There was a woman in my register lane who's child was screaming and crying "I want a toy"!  For the twenty minutes it took for this lady and her child to pass through my check out line the entire front end of the store had to listen to this child scream! 

I never scanned groceries so fast in my life - I wanted that child out of the store pronto!  When it was finally this woman's turn at my check out her little boy was still screaming he wanted a toy!  And mom very calmly says " Well dear your not getting a toy"!  I checked out her groceries and gave her back her change and when her little dear made another requestful scream for a toy  I told the child very bluntly " No! You can't have a toy. And even if your mom wanted to buy you one I wouldn't sell it to you because you don't listen"!  Not only was the child surprized but mommy was quite tickled by my announcement!  She laughed and said Thank you to me!  I realize that children can be controlled like robots but they shouldn't be allowed to be a public nuance either! 

That tickles me that you got by with that.  I can't count the times that my husband and I have gone to Wal-Mart and have seen children behaving just like that.  And I have been mowed over by these very children.  I usually tell them that their mother is calling them, but then when that doesn't work I tell them to stop! 

But almost as bad as that are the parents that have screaming kids in their carts, and they are either ignoring them or screaming at them to shut up.   

We had 2 kids, and when one of them would act up and there was no getting through to them the shopping trip was over.  One of us would take the child out to the car while the other paid for the purchases.  Or if I was alone with the kids I would tell the clerk that I had to leave because of a unruly child and apologize for her having to put my items back.  We have great kids (now grown) and didn't have to do that but once. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:11 am PDT

another self centered person!

Quote From: mommy_2004

        After watching the show today, I was angry. The fact that breastfeeding would gross anyone out is just confusing to me. It is the way God made us. We are supposed to feed our children this way. I have one son and I nursed him whenever and wherever he needed it. I plan to do the same thing with my next child. I am modest about it, but there are just times when the child pulles the blanket away. Think about it, would you like to have a blanked draped over your head every time you ate? I wouldn't.  

  

          As far as the condom issue goes, I think it should be the parents' job to educate their children. I personally don't want anybody else teaching my children their sexual morals and values. 

  

          Being a mom myself, I don't think anybody else has a right to dicipline my child. If he were to kick them or something like that, I wouldn't mind them saying something to them. However, if I were standing right there, I would expect them to say something to me before they said something to my child. I think it is just respect for another human beings space.  

  

  

I'm with you, after watching the show, I WAS angry! I can't believe how there are so many self centered people like you in this world. Yes, breastfeeding is a natural thing! BUT it is also a private thing! Just like love making, nudity, etc. It is not a shameful thing but it should be done in private. You won't want to see an adult suckling on a breast in private, making out! Well, we shouldn't have to see a baby breastfeeding either! "I think it is just respect for another human beings space." Or does that only come into affect where you think it should?! 

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:15 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

When my 2-year-old was born, we had one child in middle school, two in high school, one in college and one in medical school.  If I had not breastfed in public, I would have missed my other children's tennis matches, soccer games, football games, basketball games, swim meets, banquets, plays, concerts and graduation.  I am thankful that when my son scored baskets on the court that I was tucked away in the stands nursing my youngest son instead of the lockerroom.  My baby has had many a meal from the bleachers or auditorium seat.  People around me were always supportive.  I covered with a blanket when I could; but, sometimes in the sauna-like atmosphere of a swim meet that wasn't  possible.  I think when women are bothered by by a breastfeeding mother, it is because they feel guilty that they didn't breastfeed their child.  Breastfeeding mothers are totally devoted to meeting the needs of their child and that may make other mothers self-conscious if they do not have the opportunity or the desire to be that type of mother.  My two-year-old is still nursing and we try to do it in private because the American society doesn't accept this.  However, in other countries, he could nurse until he is much older.  I have nursed both of my sons and they are healthy and happy.  My daughter was bottled-fed and suffers from allergies and has trouble regulating her weight.  My step-children were nursed as babies and they are also very healthy.  Our children that breastfed seem to choose a healthier diet.  When my daughter was born, I was discouraged by my mother, my grandmother and the nursing staff to breastfeed.  I was so young that I doubt I would have ever had the discipline to do it anyway.  I'm not faulting mothers who choose not to breastfeed, just quit worrying about the mothers who do.  Why should you care, where we do it, when we do it or how long we do it?  Get over it!  Our society as a whole would be healthier if more mothers chose to breastfeed their infants.  I can't imagine comparing a nursing a baby to someone pulling their pants down in public.  Someone who can't understand the difference is uneducated on the subject.  A woman on these boards said she didn't want to explain to her 5-year-old son what was going on when he saw a breastfeeding mother.  My friend with a son that age explained to him that mothers made milk for their babies just like his cat fed her kittens.  Is that woman embarrased for her 5-year old to see a cat or dog nursing it's kittens or puppies?  How sad that we live in a country where the behavior of farm animals is more acceptable than a mother trying to do what's best for her child, 

 
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