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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 6:26 am PDT

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I am the mother of a 2 month old and choose to breastfeed. If a bathroom has a mothers lounge....and luckily for me a lot of them do in my area....I will go in there to feed her, as they are a lot more comfortable. But if they do NOT have a mothers lounge, I'll be damned if I will sit on a toilet to feed my daughter, just the thought of that revolts me. How people can think that it is not ladylike to breastfeed in public..yet it is perfectly ladylike to perch on a toilet seat to feed a child,is beyond me! On the occasions when there has not been a mothers lounge available to me, I have fed in public. I have also noticed people commenting that it is fine to feed in public as long as they "cover up".  I did try covering up with a blanket at first, but decided against it in the end for 2 reasons... one, I am large breasted, and I need to be able to watch my baby to make sure she is not suffocating in my breast. and two, babies like to make eye contact with their mother while feeding, and I for one am not going to take that privilage away from my daughter for the sake of a few immature, sickminded people who cannot get past seeing the breast as a sexual object.
Thank you.  I am in the same boat.  Stop trying to make it sexual. I'm sure they have seen more on a commercial or music video. 
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:26 am PDT

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I agree, it is very sad. I nursed my baby and hung out with a young mother who did not. We used to walk to the park. I carried my baby in a sling with a diaper and a plastic bag. She brought a cooler, bottle with formula (which she had to use by a certain time), and the usual diapers etc. She had to use a stroller with all her stuff. She said she wished she'd met me before giving up the idea of breastfeeding. She had not had any support for the idea of breastfeeding. She used to say, you're lucky, it's so much easier!
How unfortunate for you that you didn't have the information to make the best choice for your babies.  Breastfed babies are more secure and healthier.  You need to put away your guilt and quit taking it out on those of us who are trying to give our infants the most important tool to get a good start on life.
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:30 am PDT

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 don't think people should breastfeed in public unless they are covered by a blanket or something. i have a 5 year old boy and he is always asking what people are doing. i don't think i should have to explain that to him. when he is older maybe. 

 

"She's feeding her baby honey"    

 

  

 

 

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:31 am PDT

Dr Phil Blew this one

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I've always been a huge Phil fan but this is the first time I saw an episode that just made me so furious that I had to come express my opinion. Dr. Phil questioned the offended woman about what exactly she found so distasteful about breastfeeding and one of the things he asked her was if it was sexual to her. She replied with 'I hope it's not sexual', incinuating that it may be to some women! To me, that said it all. It summed up what she really sees wrong with it. Our society is so focused on the sexual aspects of the breasts that we often forget their purpose. It is sick to me she would assume it is a sexual act, to ANYONE. It is a beautiful way of feeding our young, as all animals do, as all were intended to. There is not one thing 'sexual' about it, at lease not to any breastfeeding moms I know. It is only sexual in the eyes of uneducated bystanders.For us breastfeeders and ex-breastfeeders,  it is simply a way of  keeping  our children the healthiest we can. If all women breastfed there would be a huge national decrease in medical care for babies. Our children have less ear infections, colds, flus, diabetes, and cancer - just to name a few. And the moms themselves share many similar health benefits. Why don't people thank us for saving them the tax dollars or the insurance costs of sick babies instead of trying to chase us into the bathroom? Luckily I live in NY where the law allows me to nurse anywhere a woman could bottlefeed. I don't like showing my breast, but I think I show a lot less with my baby's head covering it than a lot of low cut tops show. And I am proud  to say I nurse my first born untill she was almost two (mouthfull of teeth and all!), and she weaned when She felt ready. I am now nursing my secong little darling at 13 months, and intend  to do so untill she lets me know she's 'good' (Wink!)
I agree Dr. Phil could have done a better job of educating people on the benefits of breastfeeding.  He had the perfect opportuninty to dispell a lot of myths and ignorance to breastfeeding and even turn potential mothers into breastfeeders as well.
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:33 am PDT

Definitely Not the Bathroom

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As a new mother of a 2 1/2 month old, I have to say that my attitude toward breastfeeding has definitely changed.  I used to think that the mothers at the mall feeding their babies can go to the bathroom (like other members who have posted) but once you have that baby, you only want what is best for them.  After debating formula vs breastmilk, I have found that there are countless reasons why breastmilk is better than formula.  I only want what is best for my baby and that is bf.  If i happen to be in public when he is hungry, then so be it.  As for going into the bathroom to feed my baby, that is absolutely out of the question.  I have not been to one public bathroom that did not have an unpleasant odor.  Not only that, even if chairs WERE available I would not feed there.   The woman on the show who said that no one asked the breastfeeding mother to wipe her nipple on the toilet should be ashamed of herself.  Research has been done that showed a flushing toilet is still able to spew germs into the air 20 feet away.  You don't NEED to wipe your nipple on the toilet to be exposed to germs.  I am still practicing covering myself when I am feeding but it's a hard balance.  If a nipple is exposed for that couple of seconds that he is latching on before i can fully cover myself and you happen to see it, then you were staring WAY too closely.
I am currently pregnant with my second. I breastfeed my first  until she was a 1 1/2.  When she was little I fed in public and not in the bathroom.  Do we eat in the bathroom? NO!  You are so right!  When she became older I did not breastfeed in public (she could eat a snack), but 6 months and under when the babies primary food is breast milk.   You need to feed them when they are hungry!   Congratualtions on your baby and breastfeeding!
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:36 am PDT

Fast food breasts

It is interesting to me, a mother of 3, both breast and bottlefed, that no one has mentioned the children. Breastfeeding is a wonderful time for both babies and moms to spend quiet, quality time, peacefully bonding and sharing. It is not a time for distractions, loud noises, stress. The offense is being felt by the baby, not the viewing public or the mom.  

  

So what if it is your right to breastfeed in public. So what if you don't like watching it. Think of the baby...it really doesn't matter whether it is breast milk or bottled formula...babies need comfort, security, pleasure while they eat.  

  

If you know that your child is going to need feeding, find a private place so that you can fully focus on the precious baby you are trying to do so much for. If you see moms breastfeeding in public, avert your eyes, and mention to the restaurant/business owner that maybe they could set tables aside for just this practice so that next time you would not have to witness this.  

  

Be that as it may. When did moms with breasts become fast food outlets for their children? Fast food is food on demand, quick, no delay, on the run. Personally, I never wanted my children to feel slighted, inconvenienced, or rushed when they ate. It is one of the prices we pay to be nurturing moms. Give them a few minutes of privacy and your undivided attention free from stress and noise. Pay 100% attention to that baby at your breast and stop trying to use them as a statement. If you raise well-adjusted, healthy, happy children.....that is statement enough. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:37 am PDT

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     Clearly there is an epidemic in our society that is causing us to view public breast-feeding as wrong, disgusting and inappropriate. It is undoubtedly due to the commercialization of infant formula feeding, an industry which spends countless dollars every year to bombard us with commercial and print ads advocating the use of their formula. This is not surprising nor should it necessarily be suppressed. This is a corporation in the business of making money. However, if we want society’s views on breast-feeding to change so must the culture in which it is suppressed.
    There are two ways in which we can alter our culture’s views on breast-feeding. The first is education. Every ad that exists for formula should be matched by an ad that supports breast-feeding. Media plays a huge part in shaping the views of our society and if we want to change our culture then the media’s view on infant feeding needs to no longer be one sided. There simply do not exist any mainstream ads for breast-feeding. Meanwhile, formula companies are making claims that formula is “as close to breast milk as you can get” which are misleading at best. You simply cannot achieve the benefits of human milk by substituting it with cow’s milk that has been enhanced with vitamins and the like. People need to understand that our children are human babies, not calves which have four stomachs. Breast milk was the designed as the perfect nutrient for infants. Further more, the stigmatization in our society of those who breast-feed for an extended period of time is appalling. The APA recommends breast-feeding for a minimum of one year, the World Health Organization (WHO) says two. Yet, despite this fact, when a child is approaching his/her first birthday and still breast-feeding regularly, the mother is stigmatized for her decision. If she chooses to breast-feeding beyond the first year and comply with the WHO’s recommendations she is ostracized even further. Clearly more education is needed surrounding the benefits of breast-feeding and the implications of not.
    The other key piece of changing society’s views is exposure. We live in a culture that fears the unknown. It is not surprising that when we see a woman breast-feeding our gaze is naturally drawn to it. It is unfamiliar, unknown territory to many Americans. It defies everything the media teaches us about the breast, namely that they serve the sole purpose of being objects of sexuality. If public breast-feeding became common place again than breast-feeding rates would rise tremendously. The APA guidelines for breast-feeding clearly state that one of the current major road blocks to reaching ideal breast-feeding rates is the lack of public approval.
    It is astonishing that formula feeding is so condoned by our society despite the fact that the APA explicitly states that breast-feeding is the preferred method of feeding our infants. If a mother decided not to comply with other APA guidelines she would be counseled by her child’s pediatrician to change her views. Instead, our doctors and hospitals are handing out formula to those who do not wish to breast-feed.
    As a mother I have not only a right but a duty to feed my child when he is hungry and I simply refuse to do that in a restroom. Maybe if restrooms provided a couch or a chair where I could privately breast-feed my child the circumstances would be different but I simply refuse to sit on the toilet or the ground of a dirty restroom to feed my child. What message does that send to my child about the importance of his nutrition? Would you even allow your child to eat his sandwich in the bathroom? Would even consider eating in the bathroom? Somehow our culture has become more comfortable with seeing a 15 month old baby eating french fries and a soda than they are with seeing a 9 month old breast-feeding. I just don’t understand.
    Most mothers are rather discrete in their breast-feeding habits. I have yet to meet a mother who takes off her shirt to expose more than is necessary to feed her child. We often tell mothers to “cover up” with a blanket or a throw. But have you ever tried to eat under a blanket? It is hot, uncomfortable and difficult to breathe. Not to mention the fact that it is terribly rude to the child. We need to remember that infants are little human beings with rights and feelings. To force a child to hide under a blanket or in the bathroom sends the message that there is something inherently wrong with what they are doing. The only way that our society will change is through education and exposure, one mother at a time.
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:38 am PDT

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Quote From: boltizar

How dare you say that bottle feeding is shameful!  That is a horrible thing to say if one opts to feed a baby this way or has to for medical reasons!  That is not fair!  Most mothers WANT to breastfeed! But, then find that they cannot for some reason.  So you should not be so quick to be so biased in this matter without knowing all.  And don't forget too, that this culture is FREEDOM OF CHOICE, as well!

Unfortunately many mothers have no desire to bf.  I'm glad your experience seems otherwise, but if most mothers wanted to, most mothers would. Yes, there are those of us who struggle, and there are solutions for many of us.  I'm part of a group who helps moms across the world bf, some of them have to fight SO HARD for it.  But I know many many moms who couldn't be bothered.  They are missing out on so much, but sadly enough, so are their babies.   

  

I gave up so early with my first babies.  My last one I determined I was going to do this and he nursed until 11 mos. I wanted much much more than that.  But it was hard work to get to where we did. 

  

Many, if not most, problems with bf'ing can be overcome one way or another.  Even if we end up expressing what we can get and feeding it to our baby through a tube on our breast.  They still get that nursing experience. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:41 am PDT

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I agree, it is very sad. I nursed my baby and hung out with a young mother who did not. We used to walk to the park. I carried my baby in a sling with a diaper and a plastic bag. She brought a cooler, bottle with formula (which she had to use by a certain time), and the usual diapers etc. She had to use a stroller with all her stuff. She said she wished she'd met me before giving up the idea of breastfeeding. She had not had any support for the idea of breastfeeding. She used to say, you're lucky, it's so much easier!
How unfortunate that you didn't have the information to make the best choice for your babies.  Breastfed babies are more secure and healthier. 
 
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October 8, 2005, 6:42 am PDT

Loving mothers ONLY breastfeed?

Quote From: jaymeebray

I belive that it is a mothers right and responsiblity to feed her child.  If the child is hungry then feed them, however I think that it is best if you cover yourself.  I have three children(ages5,2,1) I breastfed all three of them.  I covered myself so no one was able to see me.  If I was out at dinner and my child was hungry I didn't leave the table and sit in the restroom I covered myself up and fed them at the table.  Going into the restroom is disguisting and more people are going to see you in the restroom then those that are sitting around you.  I would even shop while I was feeding them, majority of the time no one knew that my child was being fed, carring them around covered up just looked as if they were napping and I didn't want anyone to see my child.  Breatfeeding a child is the gift they we were given and I say if you can breastfeed them, then more power to you.  Breast is the best and I believe that a child is smarter then the children that weren't blessed to have aloving mother that was willing to breastfeed.
I was bottlefed as a baby because my mother couldn't breastfeed. I was valedictorian of my junior high and graduated 4th in my high school class. i don't think breastfeeding versus bottlefeeding has anything to do with a child's intelligence. And to say that I wasn't blessed to have a loving mother willing to breastfeed me? There are many reasons why some women cannot breastfeed and you obviously don't know what they are. For example, I have some medical conditions and needed to go on medication as soon as my son was born. Therefore it was unsafe for me to breastfeed, though I wanted to. So I am bottlefeeding my son, and he and I are very bonded (I think more than my mom and I were) and I believe I am a good mom. I am a very loving mother, despite my feeding preference.
 
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