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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 7:49 am PDT

thank you!

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Ok, I couldn't let this comment go... I am wondering if you can post any links to some valid, scientific research, giving an age for when a woman should wean her child from bresatfeeding, and also some evidence for the point at which breastfeeding becomes unnecessary.   

  

I don't think you can, but in the true spirit of a fair debate, I'm willing to read any links you can give me that are scientifically based and that support your views.  And I hope you will check out these links... Essentially, they state that there is no age at which you should force your child wean and that there are health/nutritional and emotional benefits that continue beyond one year of age. 

  

American Academy of Pediatrics' Policy Paper: Breastfeeding and the Use of Human Milk (see point # 10 under "Recommendations on Breastfeeding for Healthy Term Infants".   

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;115/2/496#SEC2 

  

Nursing After the First Year 

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/index.html 

  

Extended Breastsfeeding Fact Sheet 

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-benefits.html 

  

Extended Breastfeeding Myths 

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-myths.html 

  

Signed, 

One-half of a happily nursing duo (the other half being my nearly 20 mo. old son) AND the Librarian for my local La Leche League chapter (www.lalecheleague.org) 

  

PS: La Leche has no policy pushing anyone to breastfeed any longer than they want to (1 mo., 6 mos., 3 yrs., or whenever)- they only are there to support women in an otherwise horribly unsupportive culture, to do what our bodies were meant to do (feed our children). 

thank you for your post!! you summed it up and put it all the links i was wanting to last night but didnt have time! it is also very encouraging to see all of the posters here who have nursed their babies for however long... when you look at BIOLOGICAL norms, nursing 1, 2, 3 or more years is normal and beneficial... "nurse on!" . (i am a bit of a lactavist!) 

 
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October 8, 2005, 7:49 am PDT

breasts or breast feeding?

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I did breast feed one of my children for nine months and NEVER exposed myself in public (I always had a diaper or something to put over us).  If he had a tendancy to pull the cloth off, I would peek underneath it and keep his attention elsewhere so that this would not happen.  I personally feel that when women expose themselves that THEY are wanting attention, enjoy making other women uncomfortable (or angry if her guy is there), and get a thrill at other men watching her.  Afterall, when have you EVER witnessed a man turn away from a free peek at something that he sees as sexual.  I doublt that there are very many men out there in any given time and place that would turn away disgusted at the sight of a woman exposing herself whether it was to breast feed or not.  I feel that all women who are breast feeding should honor other people's privacy issues and keep them covered in public as WE are the MAJORITY here!

I will have to wait to see the poll that DR Phil took to see what the majority really thinks. If my baby needs to eat I will feed him. If he wont keep a cover on I will discreet as possible. it has nothing to do with being sexual or wanting attention. If breast feeding makes you so uncomfortable, what about the women who do put themselves on display in the low cut shirts that show WAY MORE then you would ever see from a breast feeding mom? Or is it the act of breast feeding you find so repulsive?  

 
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October 8, 2005, 7:50 am PDT

HOW DARE YOU!

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i'm not a mother, and i'm not even a female for that matter, but i thought dr. phil completely over looked one major issue in today's show about parenting other children.  wheather you are against annoying small children in fancy restaraunts and movies who can't keep quiet, or if you feel its just a part of life we must deal with, i think there is another issue.  one of the guests on the show kept using the excuse that she is a single mom of 3 and can't always maintain control of her children.  well, what is she doing with 3 children then?  if she is using that as an excuse, then why didnt she stop at 2?  the father is obviously not in the picture, but then why is she pregnant with a 4th child?  it does not make any sense to me that a woman who uses the single mother card to make excuses for herself and state that her children are so wild because they outnumber her 3 to 1 should be a little more careful.  it doesnt seem like there is any significant male in her life, or he would be there to help out the situation, and that being the case, there is no reason she should be pregnant again.  raising 3 children should be her priority, and she should stop putting her own selfish motives and desires first and stop having kids, wheather it be an accident or not, and raise her family. i can't even figure out if it is an accident or not, it would seem that anyone of her age would realize a 4th child is not the best choice right now, but you'd think someone would learn how to correctly prevent it by that time in their life too.  and in either case, she is putting her desires first before the needs of her children, and i think that is a more impirtant issue than if someone is tryign to parent her children for her. 

by the way....i was just flipping through the channels, i swear! 

HOW DARE YOU JUDGE A SINGLE MOTHER OF THREE WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN A PARENT YOURSELF NOR ARE YOU FEMALE!  I AM A 22 YEAR OLD MOTHER OF FOUR.  ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME I DID NOT TRY TO PREVENT MYSELF FROM HAVING CHILDREN.  I GOT NEWS FOR YOU BUDDY..........  I WAS ON BIRTH CONTROL WITH THREE OF MY FOUR CHILDREN AND NO I DID NOT  MISS A PILL NOR DID I MISS A SHOT.  AND NO, I COULD NOT FIND A DOCTOR TO TIE MY TUBES BECAUSE I WAS "TO YOUNG".  MOST STATES WILL NOT TIE YOUR TUBES UNTIL THE FORTH CHILD OR UNTIL YOU ARE 25.  AND I AM A SINGLE MOM!  I HAVE DONE IT ON MY OWN FOR 5 YEARS NOW AND I HAVE BEEN ON MY OWN PAYING MY OWN BILLS SINCE I WAS 14.  I DO NOT RECIEVE CHILD SUPPORT FROM THE FATHER NOR DO I GET STATE ASSISTANCE.  I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A BIG LOOK AND THINK WELL GEE IF THE FATHER IS NOT IN THE PICTURE THAT IS HIS OWN DAMN FAULT AND HE IS THE ONE THAT IS BEING SELFISH NOT HER.  YOU SEEM TO FORGET THAT MOTHERS CAN'T PLAY THE "IT'S NOT MINE" CARD LIKE YOU MEN DO.  AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IT WAS BECAUSE SHE SLEEPS AROUND TO MUCH OR DOES THIS OR THAT YOUR WRONG ABOUT THAT TOO.  I WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY CHILDRENS FATHER FOUR 7 YEARS ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT ME BEING A SINGLE MOM IS ALL MY FUALT AND I AM BEING SELFISH.  YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP THINKING LIKE A TYPICAL STUPID MAN!
 
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October 8, 2005, 7:51 am PDT

Fridays show

On the topic of breastfeeding in public: I feel you should be able to breast feed in public, but have consideration of others by not plopping it out and letting them latch on. Have some modesty and cover up. We are not animals like cows.  

 

  

 

On handing out condoms in schools: The debate really should have been on whether or not we should have sex education in school. Are we “protecting” our children if we don’t give them the information to make an informed decision when they consent to sex? Teach your children abstinence and give them a set of values and hope that they make the right decision. But remember: you aren’t going to be there with them when they make that decision. They don’t ask us if we want to become grandparents… 

 

  

 

The lady you had on the show probably wasn’t the best choice for her side of the debate. After all, she admitted she already had more children than she could control and was pregnant with another one! Before the show I wouldn’t have hesitated to tell her child to stop kicking my chair. Now I would tell her to control her child and have them stop kicking my chair. Maybe this lady needs a visit from the super nanny! Mothers of unruly kids get ready to be confronted! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 7:51 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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I'm just amazed and infuriated by the gross amount of IGNORANCE there is about breastfeeding.  Incredible.   

  

I cann't believe some of the ignorant things coming out of some of the posters mouths, um, fingers in this forum.   

  

I can only take hope in the fact that each generation is embracing breastfeeding more and more - the trend is STRONG.  And I know that eventually the ignorance will be diminished to the point where it is insignificant. 

  

You people standing in the way of progress?  WE SHALL BOWL YOU OVER.  You haven't a chance!!!  Put that in your pipe and smoke it...   

i think i love you.
 
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October 8, 2005, 7:52 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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First of all, why do you breast feed at all? Uh....you're the one who mentioned "sexuality".......does it have something to do with that? If you don't want to go into a place where you can smell other people's gas and hear them urinate and defecate to feed your child, GET A BREAST PUMP. Hello??? Simple solution!!
you ask why breastfeed at all......because it is the best food for the baby......and since you have all these simple solutions...maybe they should make some sense.......your statement is ignorant,...breastfeeding is not a sexual act..........and if you feel its ok to eat in a bathroom be my guest, but i  am breastfeeding fmy baby from breast in a sanitary place.
 
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October 8, 2005, 7:52 am PDT

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Men can't sit in a restaurant without a shirt. Not everyone wants to see a woman with her breast exposed while they are trying to eat. It is all about respect. There is nothing wrong with feeding a baby in public or the closeness of the moment. If it is so close then the mother should cover it up and share the moment just with her child.

What about the woman in a low cut shirt? She is showing way more then you would see form a breast feeding mother. Is it really the breast that bothers you or the act of breastfeeding?  

 
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October 8, 2005, 7:53 am PDT

Bare-breasted?

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okay, you say it is ignorant and a lack of respect for us to feel uncomfortable when we are out with our family and we see a mother sitting on a park bench in front of the jungle gym breastfeeding their kid? What is more ignorant here? Not knowing that youre making us uncomfortable by having a baby suck on  their moms nipple in front of the other kids? You know it makes us uncomfortable and yet you do not care so you yourself is showing a lack of respect. not us. get it straight. feeling a bit uncomfortable by the presence of a bare breasted nursing mother is not showing a lack of respect but showing a natural feeling that we cannot change.  We cant help but find that a bit odd. 
Where do you live that you are seeing mom nurse with a whole boob hanging out? If you need to have your whole breast hanging out, you are not ready to nurse in public. I've never let it all hang out.   I could care less if it makes you uncomfortable. My priority is my children's comfort. I'm not nursing to make a point. I'm nursing to feed my child.   BTW - if you are busy watching me nurse, then perhaps it is your kid pushing mine on the playground...
 
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October 8, 2005, 7:53 am PDT

closeness

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Men can't sit in a restaurant without a shirt. Not everyone wants to see a woman with her breast exposed while they are trying to eat. It is all about respect. There is nothing wrong with feeding a baby in public or the closeness of the moment. If it is so close then the mother should cover it up and share the moment just with her child.
closeness is a great benefit of the nursing relationship, like a perk ya know? but the basic human need for nourishment can and will happen anywhere. why are you making yourself a part of their "moment" by looking long enough to be offended? everyday we are going to see things that offend us. but its all relative, just look at the posts here, what is "unattractive" to one, is "beautiful" to another. if you dont want to see it, simply look away.
 
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October 8, 2005, 7:55 am PDT

How ridiculous

To those ladies ranting about how women should cover their child with a blanket or for goodness sakes suggest they pump a bottle and take it with them when out in public... just please,  stop running your mouth about something you obviously know *nothing* about.   

  

Bottles are a modern invention and they are not "natural" to  a breastfed child, a lot of breastfed babies have never nor will they ever have a bottle and they do not know how to use them.  So stop suggesting ridiculous things such as this.  Breastfeeding mothers are by and large very modest and if you occassionally see a breastfeeding mother out in public , do yourself a favor, have some class and show her some respect. 

Women are doing their best to be the best mothers they can be, breastfeeding is not easy for everyone and now you're telling them how to do it etc... the breast should be available to the baby anywhere and anytime and it is attitudes like yours that undermine a woman's ability to do what is best for her child.  

No matter what your argument is against breastfeeding in public, it is fundamentally wrong, flawed, selfish and based on essentially nothing except your inner desire to be an argumentative bossy know-it-all. 

If it bothers you, do not look.  I am quite certain that nearly 100% of nursing mothers do try to show you respect and practices discretion, you should also be discreet and not stare or be nasty, it is very simple. 

  

You may also change your tune if you were to give some sincere thought for a few moments of what that woman's life as a mother is like.  Do you think she wants to expose her breasts in public, I highly doubt it, alot of those same mothers won't even wear a swimsuit at the local pool.  These women have been through pregnancy, delivery, recovery, getting up around the clock every single day (sometimes as much as every 20 minutes) to make sure their child was fed in the most natural way possible, ...then they finally venture out to the local mall or something and they have to deal with these types of attitudes? Are you really that mean spirited that you need to pick on women who have devoted themselves to caring for their children? Just please, stop ..please, it is ridiculous.  Why don't you practice random acts of kindness instead of random acts of judgement and hostility. 

  

 
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