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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 8:11 am PDT

What are breasts for then

Breasts are here for really one reason to feed our children. I can't stand watching a mom place a plastic bottle filled with manufactured powder in a newborn, but I would never imagine saying to them don't feed your child in front of me,or in public. I breastfed my son till age 2 and now am breastfeeding my daughter I am always able to cover up, with appropriate clothing or a blanket but if it is hot I will not hesitate to make sure that my child is comfortable eating. Lets throw a blanket over the heads of bottlefed babies see how comfortable they get. Lets promote a healthier society, breastfeeding is proven to prevent obesity, dieabetes, allergies, cancers in moms, and the list goes on. There is obviously something wrong with Shelly's thinking how can she look at a mom feeding her child in such distaste, we will see who's complaining when all these breastfed babies are healthier and more intelligent then all the bottlefed babies.
 
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I have nursed a little one and modesty is the best policy, always, no matter where it is done.  A cotton diaper tossed over the shoulder or even nursing blouses are available for discretion for those who are true ladies. Flaunting is not a requirement to get the childs needs met.
I couldn't agree more!!!  Nourishing is necessary, Not exposing one's self.
 
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 Breastfeeding in public is a baby's right. People need to get over the idea that breasts are offensive and were created to be purely sexual. We were created for breasts to be functional in this way. I personally would not eat in a bathroom or only at home and baby shouldn't have to either. As long as it is socially accepted for a baby to drink from a bottle anywhere, then it is okay for a baby to be breastfed anywhere. I don't care what other people think, when my baby is hungry THAT is the top priority, if someone else has a problem they can look away but I will not cover up, suffocate my baby, or feed them in an unsanitary public bathroom to make people more comfortable. Breastfeeding is by far the healthiest and best choice for babies and I am proud to show that in public.
 
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October 8, 2005, 8:12 am PDT

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This is for the women on Dr. Phil who said she did not care of other people liked it or not that she would do it and not cover up. I just want to SAY to HER, think of this. 

  

You and I are seated next to each other at a restaurant  that allows smoking and I am a smoker. 

You decide to whip out a breast and start feeding your baby I decide I want to smoke so I light a cigarette. 

  

You ask me nicely to please not smoke when you are feeding your baby and I say, this is a smoking allowed restaurant  and I want to smoke and I don't really care if you like it or not, I am going to smoke don't like it leave !!! 

  

See that way the shoe is on the other foot and lady it is called consideration for others around you !!! Treat other people the way YOU would like to be treated 

  I've wanted to reply to many of these comments but this one is so ridiculous it has to be addressed. How in the world do you compare forcing someone, let alone an infant, to unwillingly partake in a habit with deadly consequences, to nursing a child!!!! Over and over again on this board the most ignorant comments have come from the anti-nursing camp. They are BREASTS not GENETALIA for goodness sake. Why is it okay to see male breasts but not a female's in this society. I nursed 3 children whenever, wherever they needed to nurse and I have seen women in blouses that show more breast than anyone ever saw while I was nursing and I never went to any lengths to cover up. Consideration!!! You'll have to excuse me if I; and according to the poll 59% of us; CONSIDER a child's need to eat more important than your need to not be exposed to anything esthetically displeasing to you while YOU eat. I believe we live in a democratic society right? So guess what according to the numbers YOU LOSE BABIES WIN!!
 
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October 8, 2005, 8:14 am PDT

self centered?

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 I am not a mother myself but I believe that breakfeeding should be a private thing. I agree with the lady you had on the show that was against the breastfeeding in public. I do not care to see such things while I am trying to eat a quiet dinner, watch a movie or even just shopping. No matter what I may be doing it should not be done in public. It can be taken to another room to be done and the rest of us, no matter whether it bothers us or not, should not have to see it. As the one mother for the breakfeeding stated that it is a bonding moment for child and mother, well, by missing the "BONDING TIMES" in public is not going to make or break the relationship between mother and child. How insecure is she to even make that statement!! There are alot of other times and events for bonding they can do if that is needed. It doesn't matter if the mother is covered up or not, people are still aware of what the mother is doing. If the child is hungry then take it to another room. Our dinner, movie or whatever should not have to be spoiled because a mother needs to feed her child. If it interupts the mothers dinner or movie or whatever than maybe she needs to schedule the feedings alittle different or make sure the baby eats before she goes out. The lady that was for breastfeeding in public was very selfish. You can tell her children are probably very spoiled as well as her. She's a very self centered person not to care about others feelings of what SHE is doing in their presence!! That is no different than if someone was making out, having sex or even changing a baby's diaper in public. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT!!!!!! And it DOESN'T matter if we can turn our heads away or not! What a stupid remark that was!

im thinking baby centered. 

  

here are a few facts on normal infant behavior. normal being bf, because we are after all human moms of human babies. 

  

a human infants stomach is very small, think the size of her fist at birth. breastmilk is perfect, custom made milk that is rapidly digested. babis are born with a instintual need for human contact. put these things together and youll see that you comment on "scheduling feedings" does not apply.  

  

try this: today pay attention to homw many times you eat. gum, water, juice, meals. and how long you took at each and what time it was... i can bet it varies from day to day.  same goes for baby. 

a mom who meets her babys needs is baby centered. you cant make everybody happy. everyday we are going to see people waering or saying something that may offend us. and though i may find something "unattractive" it reminds me that we are a diverse nation,  and that we have rights. the basic human right to feed her child just doenst seem like something that needs debating to me. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:19 am PDT

Condoms in the school

I have a granddaughter whose mother gave her all of the education about birth control.  She was active in church and was talking abstinence. Last year she and her then boyfriend decided that they wanted to have unprotected sex even though his mother had made sure condoms were available to them.  Even the best education doesn't always work.  The end result was an unplanned pregancy.  I very much admire my granddaughter.  She was a Junior in high school at the time.  She does not believe in abortion and neither do I.  She also realized the "boy friend" was not a responsible individual and there was no future for them.  She made the decision to give up her son for adoption.  It was painful to hold my great grandson and know that he would not be a part of our family.  But there is a couple out there that has the family they never thought they could have.  Because of current adoption options, our family is sent regular pictures of the baby and updates on how he is doing.  My granddaughter is now a senior and making plans to go on to college.  I have to admit that the experience matured her a lot and made her a more confident young lady.  I am very proud of her. 

  

I agree that there needs to be in depth sex education in the schools.  I believe that our youth should be given both the contraceptive information and the abstinence information.  They will inevitably make their own decisions but at least we can know that they knew what there options were.  I do not believe that condoms should just be handed out like candy.  That doesn't help anyone. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:20 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

I am a mother of a beautiful 3 month old and never thought I would breastfeed.  When I realized how beneficial breastfeeding was to my child I knew it was the right thing to do.  I feel, like many others, that breastfeeding should be allowed in public.  However, I do feel that a mother should be modest and  resect others with covering up while feeding.  I purchased a great product that allowed me to breastfeed my baby and cover up at the same time.  It seems that the issue of breastfeeding wouldn't really be a hot topic if mothers would just take the time to breastfeed discreetly.  Noone is saying that you shouldn't  feed your child but to just whip out your breast at any time you feel without consideration to your surroudings is abnoxious.  Just because you gave birth doesn't mean you have the right to disrespect others. 

  

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:21 am PDT

Breastfeeding

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:22 am PDT

Breast feed in the Bathroom when you eat from the toilet bowl

The bathroom is an utterly inappropriate place to ask a woman to breastfeed.  This is a nourishment / food issue, not an elimination function.  The level of hygene is deplorable in the best of circumstances.  You wouldn't eat there, don't ask my baby to.   

  

Also regarding keeping everything covered up, sometimes that's a logistical impossibility.  I've got nursing bras and nursing tops designed to keep everything as hidden as possible, and I do  try.  However my 4 week old baby hasn't quite figured out how to latch properly on her own and I have to manipulate my pregnancy enlarged 38DDD boobs into this tiny little mouth.  There's no way to do that and remain completely covered up.  Later, when she's several months old or, better yet, when she's toddling (my older daughter started walking at 9 months) breastfeeding will work very well as we'll both know how to do it.  Of course then our anti-breastfeeding friends will say that she should be "over that" breastfeeding thing.   

  

I'm very proud of the fact that my older daughter never had formula and I breastfed her to 21 months.  I weaned then only because I was pregnant with #2.   

  

What people don't understand is how much it's a way to love your baby.  It feels like the love I feel for my baby turns into a liquid and I nourish every cell in her little body with love.  In the middle of the night , when the rest of the world is asleep and it's just you and your baby, it feels like angels are watching and smiling to see you and your sleepy little baby cuddled up and feeding.  What more pure love is there? 

  

Evelyn 

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:23 am PDT

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It really bothers me that our society has double standards and how we use excuses to outcast other people's rights and beliefs.  

  

 We live in a day when it's ok to have a restaurant chain Hooters that do nothing but emphasize butts/breast and that's perfectly ok.  I keep hearing that it's not attractive as if a breastfeeding mom is trying to pick up someone.  There are a lot of unattractive things that we see out in public like belly rings, people being tatooed from head to toe, like people walking around with these half cut shirts exposing their midsections.  We see half naked women parading around and jirating at football games, basketball games in front of our children, but that is perfectly ok.  I see people kissing and fondling one another in public in front of children, but no one is trying to put a stop to this.  I see people smoking in restaurants, blowing their nose at the table and all sorts of other mess. If you allow your children to watch music videos on TV then a bare breast every now and then will not damage their psyche.  Why is it ok to watch music award shows where the dresses are down to the singer's belly button with half of her breast exposed be deemed sexy and a breastfeeding mom is told to go to the bathroom.  How is it attractive to watch a lap dance routine simulating a strip tease attractive, but not nursing your child. If you or your child watch CSI then a breastfeeding mom should be no problem.   

  

Who wants to feed their child in a nasty germ infested bathroom while people are taking a dump, spraying hair spray, throwing up or other gross things that go on in filthy public restrooms.  That's like asking a patron to take their plate in and eat in the restroom, all because you can see bare breast for all of 2 min. It's not like the baby is not a covering while nursing.   

  

I have tried to accomodate my older children by pumping and covering up, but it just does not work. I am a size F and it is hard to cover myself entirely, and when I can I pump, but there are some times when I just have to breast feed in public, and who wants to put a blanket on in 90-100 degree weather or who wants to sit in a car in hot or cold weather and take time away from a family outing. 

  

  Let's face it. How often does a nursing mom get to eat out anyway, and to have to leave just because a few hypocrites are uncomfortable it absurd.  When I can be discreet I am, but when I can't I will not.   

  

Breastfeeding is the most nutritious form of nurishment for a child it builds better immune systems, fights off more childhood illnesses, builds better  eye and brain function, and it this land where everybody elses agenda is in the open a breastfeeding mom has to be made to feel like and outcast.  

  

 My 2 year old goes around pretending to nurse her baby doll or tries to pump, which is what she should do when she becomes a mother, but my 15 year old has seen the reactions from others and claims she's never having children.  This is wrong, because in our disease infested society more mothers should breastfeed to ensure a better quality of health for their children, but our society with all of it's booty shaking and sex crazed TV shows that praise women for cheating on their husbands and lusting after naked gardeners has all of it's priorities in the right place making nursing mom's feel out of place and more a turning away from nursing just to fit in. Let's re-think the message we are sending out to breastfeeding mom's and young people who are considering breastfeeding. 

I agree.  I have nursed 2 children.  After about 2 months old, my children pulled at the blankets or cover-ups I purchased to cover them while I nursed in public (or even in my own home with company over).  The little ones want  to look around, look at you and play while the eat at about that age.  It is very hard to keep everything covered all the time while you nurse, I do the best I can for others' comfort, but my child and I should not have to worry and be uncomfortable while doing the best and most natural thing in motherhood.  Breastfeeding is a natural thing to do, and accroding to the research- the best for your child.  Eating your dinner in a restroom would never be considered. I do not thin Dr. Phil did a good job of making these points.  

  

I praise the state of the art department stores (Nordstroms) and malls (Westfields) for having family restrooms and pretty nursing stations these days - thank God someone sees nursing for what it is.  I try to use them when it is convenient for me and my situation at the time.  However, there are many things that make me uncomfortable about people in public as well, and I ignore them or look away.     

 
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