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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 8:45 am PDT

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Anyone who is offended by a breastfeeding mother should look away, mind their own business & get on with life......  Come on people, let's get out of the DARK AGES...... We are supposedly the most advanced country in the world, yet in this area some small-minded, insecure and self-centered people are WAY off...... If you want me to feed my baby in the restroom, by all means - grab YOUR meal and JOIN ME THERE...... You should be just as willing to eat there, too.
 
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October 8, 2005, 8:46 am PDT

Are You For Real??!!!

Quote From: sammysmom

I'm sorry for your tininess! And it doesn't matter if the baby's head covers up most of it or all of it! Or even if you are covered with a blankie! People are still aware of what is going on. EX: Say you have a couple in a restaurant and one or the other goes under the table which is covered with a table cloth and sexually relieves another! It's not exposed and all is hidden! Would that be acceptable???? Same thing!!!!!!!

I am betting that Utahnicole is not tiny at all.  I have small breasts, but when I was nursing my babies, I wore a 36DD bra.  Anyone who breastfeeds knows that the breast is larger than normal during that time; common sense will tell you that.  And many times, people DO NOT know that you are breastfeeding, as in my own personal case when I was feeding my firstborn.  We were at the Army Barracks, showing our son off for the first time.  I leff the Day Room, stepped into the hall and put my son on the breast. I then covered myself with a receiving blanket and headed back for the Day Room.  One of the soldiers walked up to me and asked if he could see the baby.  I had to inform him that he was nursing, and this young man was standing directly in front of me!!   

  

Your "example" of someone providing oral sex under a tablecloth being the same thing as a mother nursing her baby is perhaps the most assinine attempt at a comparison I have read thus far!   

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:47 am PDT

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Quote From: noni721

I am not a parent, but I agree with breast feeding your child, but I also agree that if you are going to, have respect for yourself and use a blanket, or a light coverup. I have a friend that has a 16 y/o that just had a baby, and I went over to visit her and see the new baby, and I was just shocked when she lifted up her whole top and let both breasts hang out and started breast feeding. You have to take in concideration of who you are around.  ie: Kids... (teen boys, young men), your brother, father, greandfather...  Come on, your brother, father, grandfather DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR BREASTS!  

  Talk about uncomfortable! But I am personally on both sides of the fence. I just think you have to have respect for yourself and others and use a light blanket, or coverup... THEN YOU CAN BREAST FEED WHERE EVER YOU WANT!!  :) 

  

Also PLEASE STOP BREAST FEEDING BEFORE YOUR CHILD CAN LIFT YOUR SHIRT AND FEED HIS / HERSELF!!!!    I saw that once and I am still disgusted! 

     Noel  

If she feels comfortable with others being in the room while she feeds her baby--then that is great!  Don't forget she was in HER house while nursing-you were visiting her!!! If you are uncomfortable--then leave!!!!  As far as other people around her ie brother, father, grandfather, well, if they are uncomfortable they can leave! 

  

Would you like to sit and eat your meal under a hot blanket while sweating?  Well, my daughter doesn't so I choose not put the blanket on her.  I am discreet while I breastfeed but I still choose to do it anywhere and around anyone I see fit!!!  

  

Oh, and my daughter (and son) were able to lift my shirt up and "help themselves" at 6 months, does that mean I needed to stop nursing them then?  I nursed my sone for 17 months! I only stopped due to the fact that I was 4 1/2 months pregnant.  My daughter is now 13 months and we are still going strong!  If this makes you so disgusted I feel sorry for you.  There are plenty of other things in the world to worry about than a mother breastfeeding her child!!!! 

 
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I'm sorry for your tininess! And it doesn't matter if the baby's head covers up most of it or all of it! Or even if you are covered with a blankie! People are still aware of what is going on. EX: Say you have a couple in a restaurant and one or the other goes under the table which is covered with a table cloth and sexually relieves another! It's not exposed and all is hidden! Would that be acceptable???? Same thing!!!!!!!
I can not believe that you are even comparing breastfeeding and sexually relieving oneself.  Breastfeeding is in no way a sexual act, it is a form of nourishment for our children.  Women's bodies were created in such a way as to feed our children, it is natural, and it is the best for our babies.  Women do not get turned on by nursing.
 
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October 8, 2005, 8:48 am PDT

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What in the world is worng with people.... 

Why are people so offended by a woman feeding her child? Are breastfeeding mamas to remain locked away indoors until they are no longer breast feeding their child..Why are these mothers to be punished for giving their child the best nourishment ever to be produced... 

Close your eyes ..dont look...get over it move on...leave Breastfeeding mamas alone....Why are you looking at her anyways. Or do you have some sort of sick fascination as to how you were nourished as a baby. How would you like it if your mother chose to give you the best and people asked her to removed herself from the premesis cause she was offending people because you were hungry.   

  

I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with breastfeeding, and in fact would have loved to do it, but for health reasons was unable to.  The problem I have with it is the "public" part.  Centuries before, women have breastfed their babies, but they did NOT expose themselves in public places.  Nudity, for the most part, is prohibited in public places, and the breast is no exception even it if is used in this sense.  Breastfeeding is a natural occurrence, is beneficial to the child, and enhances the bond between mother and child.  But urination is also a natural thing, beneficial to every human being, and relieves the body.  Would you want to see a mother whip out a plastic bottle to her son and have him expose his penis to urinate in public?  It's also a natural occurrence and nothing to be ashamed of.  Why do the "breastfeeding mamas" feel they have a right to expose themselves to each and every body within sight of them?  What is wrong with a covering?  Breastfeeding was not meant to be a spectator sport. 
 
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October 8, 2005, 8:48 am PDT

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First of all you are not in public. You are in your own hospital room. You are also in a room with others like yourself. And my belief is people have a right to do as they see fit in the privacy of their own home, hospital room, etc...  I just do not want to see it. Before going out for a trip why can't you pump your breast milk and put it in a bottle. No one gets offended by a baby bottle. I do not care how natural it is, i don't want to see it. Just as masturbation is a healthy normal act, but i wouldn't want to see that either. All we ask is you show some respect when being out in public.  Covering up is respectful, but using a bottle with your own milk in it is even better. What is it going to hurt. The baby gets the exact same thing, just in a different manner. A woman's breast will always be viewed by some as a sexual part of the body. Just because you have a baby hanging from it, doesn't change the views. And if you don't want to go somewhere because you do not want to drag other kids with you if they happen to be with you. Then schedule your outings around the baby's' feeding time. I know i certainly would as a matter of respect for others.

Because pumping and putting into a bottle: 

1) Cannot successfully be done before 12 weeks  

2) Leads to nipple confusion and early weaning 

3) Deprives the child of that nursing bond (and no--bottle feeding moms do not have the same bond-- I know my bond with my 3 nursed children is different than with the two bottle fed children) 

4) Deprives the mother of the physical benefits of nursing (i.e hormonal balance; weight loss; etc) 

5) Deprives teh child of the benefits (i.e. lowered SIDS risk; the safety of a more intuitive mother; healthier body, etc) 

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:49 am PDT

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Yes I have and have lots of friends that attend these meetings.... 

Why is this offensive to you?. Is this act haulting your life somehow? Does the fact that a woman chosing to BF her child beyond the age of 1 somehow harm your life in any way.? I think that people these days need to be more open minded. Did you realize that this act does still occur in places other then the US. Certain tribes in Africa practice this method. Its called child lead weaning.  

What is it to you really that these men and women choose to live a natural lifestyle and not abstain to how you view how things should be done.  

And for the record, NO i do not still BF my children, I choose not to.  

In the future do not be so judgemental of others and maybe  you will reflect something good onto your children about how to treat people and stop the predjudceness. 

  

I just think that BF a child that old in public or otherwise is just a bad idea.  I think anything over 1 y/o is just kinda freaky.  I think after (around) that age its time to stop BF.  Especially when i have heard those mothers talking, what they all seem to say is "its a bonding time" or "my child is still a baby" .  No, she has a problem with her child getting older and doesnt want to let go, and is enjoying the "bonding" time too much.  Its just freaky and kinda odd.  I think it is also at some point gonna screw that poor child up.  How old can they be? What is crossing the line?  Are you gonna send pumpled breast milk in their thermos to 1st grade?  I mean, come on, these women need to realize their child is old enough for a sippy cup or a regular cup and just let the children grow up.  Dont screw your poor child up anymore than this crazy world is gonna screw the poor thing up anyway.
 
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October 8, 2005, 8:51 am PDT

Get a life

Dr. Phil missed an opportunity to offer serious psychological advice to the unmarried, non-mother who is turned off by breast feeding. She is spending way too much time focused on other people and needs to be guided toward getting a LIFE!  What does this woman do when she steps out of the bathtub or shower? Wrap herself head-to-toe in towels andturn away from the mirror? 

 I've been on this planet for over 6 decades and have never seen a nursing mother reveal more of her body than necessary to feed her child. And I've seen a lot of nursing mothers! And the thought of nursing a child in a public restroom is disgusting beyond description. Throughout her idiotic rant, I had clear visions of Dana Carvey's Church Lady on SNL.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 8:54 am PDT

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When my 2-year-old was born, we had one child in middle school, two in high school, one in college and one in medical school.  If I had not breastfed in public, I would have missed my other children's tennis matches, soccer games, football games, basketball games, swim meets, banquets, plays, concerts and graduation.  I am thankful that when my son scored baskets on the court that I was tucked away in the stands nursing my youngest son instead of the lockerroom.  My baby has had many a meal from the bleachers or auditorium seat.  People around me were always supportive.  I covered with a blanket when I could; but, sometimes in the sauna-like atmosphere of a swim meet that wasn't  possible.  I think when women are bothered by by a breastfeeding mother, it is because they feel guilty that they didn't breastfeed their child.  Breastfeeding mothers are totally devoted to meeting the needs of their child and that may make other mothers self-conscious if they do not have the opportunity or the desire to be that type of mother.  My two-year-old is still nursing and we try to do it in private because the American society doesn't accept this.  However, in other countries, he could nurse until he is much older.  I have nursed both of my sons and they are healthy and happy.  My daughter was bottled-fed and suffers from allergies and has trouble regulating her weight.  My step-children were nursed as babies and they are also very healthy.  Our children that breastfed seem to choose a healthier diet.  When my daughter was born, I was discouraged by my mother, my grandmother and the nursing staff to breastfeed.  I was so young that I doubt I would have ever had the discipline to do it anyway.  I'm not faulting mothers who choose not to breastfeed, just quit worrying about the mothers who do.  Why should you care, where we do it, when we do it or how long we do it?  Get over it!  Our society as a whole would be healthier if more mothers chose to breastfeed their infants.  I can't imagine comparing a nursing a baby to someone pulling their pants down in public.  Someone who can't understand the difference is uneducated on the subject.  A woman on these boards said she didn't want to explain to her 5-year-old son what was going on when he saw a breastfeeding mother.  My friend with a son that age explained to him that mothers made milk for their babies just like his cat fed her kittens.  Is that woman embarrased for her 5-year old to see a cat or dog nursing it's kittens or puppies?  How sad that we live in a country where the behavior of farm animals is more acceptable than a mother trying to do what's best for her child, 

I don't think that could have been said any better.   Well said!
 
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Quote From: sammysmom

I'm with you, after watching the show, I WAS angry! I can't believe how there are so many self centered people like you in this world. Yes, breastfeeding is a natural thing! BUT it is also a private thing! Just like love making, nudity, etc. It is not a shameful thing but it should be done in private. You won't want to see an adult suckling on a breast in private, making out! Well, we shouldn't have to see a baby breastfeeding either! "I think it is just respect for another human beings space." Or does that only come into affect where you think it should?! 

  

You clearly see breastfeeding as a sexual thing, or you would not compare it to adults suckling at a breast.   GROW UP!
 
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