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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 9:02 am PDT

Breast feeding moms

All of us that breast feed or will one day have a right to feed our baby anywhere we wish just like anyone else has a right to eat anywhere they wish!  I do believe in some descretion but I also know from experience that some babies will not feed with there faces covered (like most adults)! 

Give breastfeeding moms a break if there isn't a sanitary space to breastfeed in private than they must do what they must! and the bathroom isn't sanitary it smells usually (or soon will) and not really a confortable sitting situation (yes I speak from experience) 

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:03 am PDT

Question to those who say nurse in restroom

You know after reading through some of the post I have to ask this!! 

  

So you say take it to the bathroom, ok answer this "What if you have more than one child?"  I have 6 children, so you expect me to load up my infant/toddler and my other 5 children and haul them all the restroom and expect ALL of them to sit quitely in a nasty floor where there are NO chairs for them, while I breastfeed my child for 15 to 30 mins?  I DON'T THINK SO!! 

  

And selfish of a nursing mother to nurse in public??? WTH!! Nursing is the most unselfish thing a mother can do!! The selfish ones are the ones that are putting their feeling/thoughts above a hungery child. Believe it or not most nursing mothers are somewhat uncomfortable nursing in public, but they do it because the NEED of their child is more important than their own comfort level!! A nursing mother decides to nurse 'knowing' she will come face to face with ignorant people who think it's wrong for her to feed her child, when her child wants to eat. Yet she goes on to nurse, putting her own feelings aside to do what is BEST for her child! And you are calling that 'selfish'?  

  

Comparing a nursing mother to a topless person or saying it would be wrong for a women to take off her shirt in public.. When have you seen a breastfeeding mother 'take off her shirt'? NEVER cause we don't!! They make special nursing shirts and you see NO skin. The only part of the breast exposed is the part the baby latches on to and you don't see that, you see the babies head!! Get a grip here. And to try and compare breastfeeding to making out??? Thats just sick! A mother does not nurse for sexual pleasure!!!!!  

  

I've breastfed all 6 of mine in public and there have even been times someone would come over to comment on the child/ren and never even know I was nursing! And I did not have the childs head covered. It can be done discreetly and without anyone 'seeing' anything! 

  

Pround nursing mother to 6 wonderful children 

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:03 am PDT

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I'm sorry for your tininess! And it doesn't matter if the baby's head covers up most of it or all of it! Or even if you are covered with a blankie! People are still aware of what is going on. EX: Say you have a couple in a restaurant and one or the other goes under the table which is covered with a table cloth and sexually relieves another! It's not exposed and all is hidden! Would that be acceptable???? Same thing!!!!!!!
Don't be sorry for me....I am not tiny at all. You obviously have never breastfed a child. (Or ever seen a child for that matter, they actually have fairly large heads) And saying having sex under the table at a restaurant is the same thing is rediculous. It is not at all the same thing. One is feeding a baby, and the other is sex. Feeding a baby. Lets repeat that one more time....they are just feeding a baby!
 
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October 8, 2005, 9:04 am PDT

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The above quote is a perfect example of rudeness.  This person obviously DOES NOT take into consideration how other's feel.  This person seems to feel that their feelings are the only ones that matter.  This person is one reason why this world is so RUDE and INCONSIDERATE and SELFISH these days.   

  

Are you saying that you'd get in a fight if someone feels offended by you?  Honey, if that's the case..you've got BIG problems....mainly YOUR SORRY ATTITUDE!!!  Oh and not to mention immature...are you 17 or something...come on grow up. 

I have to agree this is the most immature message on this entire board.  Come on, you are saying you would physically assault someone over this issue.  Are you crazy or what?  You are speaking in one sense about defending your right to do what is best for your child.  Then in the next sentence you are saying you would assault someone while you are breastfeeding your child.  Maybe breastfeeding is the least of your issues.  You need to get in some anger management classes and then take a parenting class.  That is setting a FINE EXAMPLE for your child.  That is just redneck...  Maybe you should stop and think about the damage that could have on your child when you are being carried off in handcuffs.  How will your child be fed then?  Think about it.  Let me guess, you will start a debate about women being able to breastfeed their children while they are in jail.  Ha.  That is just to funny to be real.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:04 am PDT

Breastfeeding in public

Breastfeeding in public: 

Here is my two cents.  I beleive that breastfeeding is a natural thing and I am doing with my child.  However not everyone sees breasteeding as a natural thing.  Untill there is a law or an ordanice protecting breastfeeding women and more places to breastfeed your child that is not a bathroom we are going to have to put up with the law and rules that many public places have.  We need to be patient and tolerance of others until the laws and rules change.  As for women getting kicked out of public places; the owner has a right to do that.  If enough people stop going to the public places then they will change the rules in order to attract business.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:05 am PDT

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 I breast fed two children to the age of one month. I NEVER did it in front of anyone other than my husband. If I needed to in public, I would simply use a restroom or go to my car.  Nursing mothers should not assume  that everyone else thinks its as wonderful as they do. It makes many people feel very uncomfortable, and to some, it is revolting. Alot of women don't appreciate their dates or their husbands seeing other women exposing their breasts in front of them either. So please, ladies, show some class and remove yourself from crowded places when nursing. Your lactating breasts are not that desirable to look at!! Get over yourselves!
Lets think about the baby instead of your personal feelings. If you are so concerned about your husband seeing another womans boobs then that a issue you should address about yourself, not a breastfeeding mom. How immature it is to think that way. I think the class is rather lacking right here, take a look at yourself and you might find that you are self concious and lack compassion for children. Its rather sad.
 
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October 8, 2005, 9:05 am PDT

What kind of claim is this?

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That is why it is called a PUBLIC school...God should have no place in it.   

  

There are many religions that go to PUBLIC schools...some believing in God, some not, some believing in another diety or none at all.   

  

And kids aren't committing suicide because condoms are being distributed in schools.  They are committing suicide because NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT!!!  (ie. where to go for help...what to do about the feelings that I am having...)  School becomes a perfect place to address these issues because you can reach such a large number of students; however, parents must be involved too.   

  

And it isn't like schools are GIVING condoms to every kid.  They are available for students, but they are not pushed upon every child with the assumption that they will naturally be having sex because they are a teenager. 

  

Education is KEY!  Ignorance is not an excuse.  "Just Say No" has been proven to fall on deaf ears.  I think abstinance needs to be one part of sex education, along with other options for those students who will not follow that philosophy. 

  

  

  

  

Who are you to say where God's place is?? God is God, not you. If you want to keep going around saying "God's place isn't here," fine. But remember, that isn't your decision, it isn't my decision, and it isn't the government's decision. HE IS LORD!
 
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October 8, 2005, 9:06 am PDT

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You are soooo right!  I think that breastfeeding is a discreet process.  I have never, ever seen  a breastfeeding mom not be discreet.  It's not like our boobs are hanging out flapping in the wind.  There is a baby getting nourishment on the other end.  Society needs to realize that this is the healthiest way to feed a baby and that in itself should be them at ease when the see it.  Just knowing that this breastfeeding mom is trying to give their child the best start in life should make them comfortable with the situation.

Thank you.  There are some times when I accidently "flash" the room, but 99% of the time you see less skin when I am nursing that you do on a beer commercial!   

  

Part of this whole debate that gets me is that we are still stuck on objectifying women and the breast.  We as a society need to get over it and fast.  I firmly believe that part of the reason we as a country have high rates for domestic violence, rape, and crimes agains women is because we see women as objects not people.  

  

The same goes for babies and children.  We don't see them as individuals with rights and needs of their own.  It is far less about my right to breastfeed in public as it is for my baby's right to eat. 

  

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:06 am PDT

Breastfeeding in pPublic

I am glad that when Dr. Phil puts people in the studio forum they are usually on opposite ends of the debate. It's always a wake up call for how many narrow minded people there is in this world. I never would have thought of a person being so horrified about a baby breastfeeding or a woman who does it almost out of spite to try to make such an issue about it. I have two wonderful children that I breastfed. I was discreet for both me and other people but I sure didn't feel like I had to hide in a corner about it.  When I see people in public breastfeeding I just look away and don't stare, it's only breastfeeding. You don't have to look! And as far as putting it into your face I, as of yet, have never seen a breastfeeding women run up to someone and shove her breast and baby in someones face.  As normal human beings we all have some sort of issues, why you would pick breastfeeding women to make such an issue on is beyond me considering how many other incredible issues that are out there to deal with.
 
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October 8, 2005, 9:07 am PDT

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First of all you are not in public. You are in your own hospital room. You are also in a room with others like yourself. And my belief is people have a right to do as they see fit in the privacy of their own home, hospital room, etc...  I just do not want to see it. Before going out for a trip why can't you pump your breast milk and put it in a bottle. No one gets offended by a baby bottle. I do not care how natural it is, i don't want to see it. Just as masturbation is a healthy normal act, but i wouldn't want to see that either. All we ask is you show some respect when being out in public.  Covering up is respectful, but using a bottle with your own milk in it is even better. What is it going to hurt. The baby gets the exact same thing, just in a different manner. A woman's breast will always be viewed by some as a sexual part of the body. Just because you have a baby hanging from it, doesn't change the views. And if you don't want to go somewhere because you do not want to drag other kids with you if they happen to be with you. Then schedule your outings around the baby's' feeding time. I know i certainly would as a matter of respect for others.
First the bottle issue....my son has never taken a bottle. Once you have a child and try to breastfeed him/her than you will know that you there is a period of time that you shouldn't introduce artificial nipples. It causes nipple confusion and the baby may end up only taking the artificial nipple because it's easier to get milk out of than through a mother's nipple. Artificial nipples also cause a baby's nursing "mechanics" to be so different than when nursing that it can cause severe discomfort to the mother if the baby is "confused" between how to nurse on her and how to eat from a bottle. Imagine the closeness and bonding that can be missed out on for the pair if either of those things happen. It's not fair for them to miss out on a lifelong closeness that can be forged because someone is more comfortable if they use a bottle. On the issue of comparing nursing to masturbation......you clearly haven't nursed a child if you even think of comparing the two. Feeding your child isn't only for "self gratification" as masturbation is. When you nurse your child you are giving them the love, attention, cuddle time, nourishment, protection from disease, etc. You are GIVING to your child. Breastfeeding *can* be gratifying to the mother and I hope that it is for all mothers, but I can almost guarentee you that if you asked mothers why they nurse their child their gratification isn't the first on the list. I agree that we can be discreet, I'm uncomfy when someone just wips out their breast, exposing the entire thing because I don't think it *needs* to be done. I agree that it's only fair to take other peoples discomfort into consideration BUT you can't account for what your child will do by pulling away unexpectedly, by lifting up your shirt unexpectedly, etc. To make a woman take her child into a place where we wipe our hind ends and rid ourselves of waste is absurd. THAT'S dirty, filthy and can be smelly. We are once again, infringing upon the rights of someone that can't speak and are telling our children that they are less human than we are because they can't tell us that they don't want to eat in a poopy smelling stall. Maybe you could try looking outside of yourselves and your "comfort level" by trying to view things from the eyes of the baby. They don't know that we have this sexual taboo attached to what gives them nourishement. They don't know that people are uncomfortable. All they know is that they NEED to eat and NEED to be close to their mother.
 
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