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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:00 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Yep, and it is no different from myself or my husband exposing ourselves in public!  Do you really want see a man sitting across from you eating exposed!? Well that is how some of us feel about breastfeeding!  The fact of the matter is that breast are used for sexual pleasure just as much as for breastfeeding.  I really dont want to see your breast in any fashion or for any reason!  I think that you should be arrested if you expose yourself , reguardless of what your reasons are!  Exposing is exposing!

Our bodies as women were designed for giving and sustaining life. Period. The fact that you see the body strictly for sex shows the ignorance of our society.  

  

My educated guess isn't that you are appalled by a woman giving basic life to her child, but that you don't want you husband looking. This may be due to you own insecurities about yourself. Trust me, the breast feeding mother is not trying to pick up your man. I can guarantee you she probably doesn't even know he exists. She is loving and nurturing her child, as any good mother should. As for exposing body parts...please go arrest all the Hooters waitresses, all the young girls dressed in todays fashion on the streets, just about everybody on television, and by the way, when ever your husband adjusts his private parts in public, he should be arrested for displaying sexual behavior just by touching himself....I suggest you stay inside and watch Disney movies all day or else you might get offended.   

  

Be careful and good luck! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:01 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

I don't havea problem with bf in public.  To me it is natural and a nonissue.  When I would bf in public no one could see any extra skin, to make it sound like we are sitting there topless is ridiculous.  Often people are unable to even tell if you are cuddling or bf'ing.   I nursed my first 2 for over a year.   My third is bottlefed since 3 months because I  wasn't producing enough milk.  I have nursed my babies anywhere that I am if they need to eat, just like I will bottlefeed my son whereever  I am because he needs to eat.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:01 am PDT

Breastfeeding In Pulblic

I'm a first time Mom and am proud that I've decided to breastfeed my daughter.  There are numerous advantages for breastfeeding.  I could spend all day on here going through all of them. 

  

By my choice, I breasfeed descritely when we are in public.  There is no need to have her crying and all upset when we are out and about.  Why should I run to the car, home or God forbid a pubic bathroom to take care of her needs?  

  

I'm hoping that in the future more Mom's feel confident enough to breastfeed in public.   It's so sad that our society is so paranoid about topics like this.  If we know that breastfeeding is the best for a baby (I do understand that some mom just can't breastfeed) why should we be made to feel bad about it. 

  

Regards, 

Kelly 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:02 am PDT

Breastfeeding Recommendations

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"And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?" 

  

Well MissJane...... 

 

I have heard of "this."  

 

What do you mean go beyond what is necessary? I will tell you what the Surgeon General and American Academy of Pediatrics say............ 

 

It is recommended that a child be breastfed for the first 12 months.  

 

So, what do you mean? 

Actually, the AAP recommends AT LEAST the first 12 mos (my hubby is a pediatrician).  And beyond that the World Health Organization recommends AT LEAST 2 YEARS!  Breastfeeding is doubly important for children in impoverished conditions as it doesn't cost the parents any additional money for food and breastfeeding provides immunilogical benefits that can keep children from DYING from many common diseases. 

  

As for "that La Leche Club thing" they offer support for all breastfeeding mothers, regardless of how long they breastfeed their child(ren) or if they pump or supplement.  It is a support group that provides "how to" information for free as opposed to having to pay for a professional lactation consultant.  There are also other mothers who can offer tips on things like breastfeeding discreetly among other things. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:04 am PDT

Breastfeeding

What is the big deal about breastfeeding????  Lets face it...the real issue is even if women are discrete, people are still uncomfortable with the fact that a baby is eating from his mothers breast!!! GET OVER IT...THATS WHAT THEY WERE MADE FOR. I breast fed both of my children and no-one has a say in that, or for how long. When they were hungry I fed them...Yes I was discrete but I sat in a bathroom stall once and swore I would never do it again. I mean would you eat your Cesar salad on the throne with people pooping, peeing and flushing all around you? GROSS!!! 

  

Lets face it people...today there are much more offensive done in public (especially in restaurants) than breast feeding (GET REAL): 

  

  • SUCKING FACE /MAKING OUT (get a room)
  • SMOKING (you and your cigarettes are portable-If I don't smoke why am I forced to by the person next to me lighting up)
  • SKIMPY OFFENSIVE CLOTHES (Must I see your underwear or lack of)
  • POOR HYGIENE (do I really need to smell you over my Alfredo)

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:04 am PDT

question

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I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

Did you know she would be attending? Did you know if she was bringing the child? If so did you discuss this with her beforehand? Any reasonable person will accommodate a host's request. As your guests you may inform them of any behaviors and such you do not deem appropriate for the occasion. If she had no knowledge of your dislike how could she possibly attempt not to offend you?
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:06 am PDT

consequences

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I have no problem with giving out free condoms in the schools. Pre-marital sex, or any sexual relationship, is much more than an "idea," it is also a matter of hormones. We tell people when driving a car to wear a seat belt - not because we truely believe they will be in an accident but because we wish them to be prepared in case they are in an accident; just in case they should use poor judgment and go too fast around a curve. It seems to me that even the best intentioned can make a mistake, why should the pentality for that mistake be contracting an STD, some which can be life-threatening, or conceiving a child that is not truely wanted.  Whether a person of any age has pre-marital sex is a matter of moral values coupled with their ability to control their emotions. Not an easy task  even for those of a mature age, whatever that may be.

In the above quote, the question was posed:  "why should the penalty for that mistake be contracting an STD, some which can be life-threatening, or conceiving a child that is not truely wanted?"  The answer is simple:  because the only way we learn from our mistakes is when they have consequences.  This is true for children and adults.  Why would a child see it as mistake if there were no consequences?  He/she would probably just see it as fun.  STDs and unwanted pregnancies are natural consequences for improper behavior.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:08 am PDT

enough whinning

These babies are our future. Stop acting like babies and instead put them before your personal discomfort. And I myself find rape and murder much more of an issue. Lets put things in perspective here. You know the saying "Women and children first"? Well I say lets stop the whinning and put "Children first".
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:09 am PDT

Breastfeeding , Etc.

     After watching the show and reading some of the responses from the viewers, I'm not even sure where to begin. I have two children and I breastfed both of them. It was a wonderful experience for me and for them. My first was 18 months old when weaned and my second was 12 months old. It is not uncommon for children to be breastfed for two years. I, myself, feel that anything beyond age 2 gets a little weird. As for the mom's that breastfeed their babies in public, I say, go for it as long as it is done modestly. Breast milk is the best nutrition for your baby and I think we all agree that we want what is best for our children, but we don't need to offend anyone by doing so. 

     I think that condoms should only  be given out in the schools as long as there is a sexual eduction course that deals with all aspects of a teenage sexual relationship (psychological as well as physical). I also do not believe that just because condoms are made available to teenagers that they will necessarily go out and have sex just because they have a condom. Hopefully, it will increase the number of sexually active teens who are having "SAFE" sex. The parents are not the only people responsible for educating their children about sex, abstinence or condom use. There are a large number of teenage parents out there who came from teenage parents. Should they be responsible of educating the next generation? I don't think so. 

     I don't typically disciple other parents' children, however, if the child's behavior affects myself or my child I will say something if the parent of that child does not. If your guest can't handle 3 children, why have 4? Maybe someone should educate HER on the use of condoms. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:12 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: shellyee

A. I will continue to repeat this for awhile, but it is getting old- I never said you had to breastfeed in the bathroom.  

  

B. This was my point on the show- what are doing with your breast that you are so worried about the toilet seat or the walls or what not? There is nothing saying anything in this world is oh so sanitary. You have no garantees. But if you are being as subtle and careful as you say, then how is your breast suddenly going to become unsanitary just by being in the bathroom? 

Shelly, do you actually sit on the public bathroom toliet seat? Many times there is not a toliet lid. Often the seat is covered with, well you know what. You are actually proposing to mother to sit for 20 minutes or more on an open, filthy toilet. I don't even want to do that when I need to use the bathroom, let alone feed my child. Please, think this through a little more.
 
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