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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:14 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: twinsmom14

I am the mom who is a nurse and my sons are not lieing to me. I am fortunate enough to have actually made my children my #1 priority and a solid relationship with them more important to me than keeping up with the Jones. I can give you a good example why I would believe them over someone, namely you, who has an opinion about what they would or would not do and you don't even know them. One of my sons came home last week and said one of the guys beside him in the Media Lab while they were on the internet ended up on a site with a girl performing oral sex on a boy. We then sat an had an open discussion about oral sex and I answered his questions, honestly about what STI's could be transmitted during oral sex. We've also had discussions about anal sex, homosexuality, bisexuality and transgender issues. I don't feel I'd be much of a mom if I could talk openly to other people's teens about their sexuality and not do the same for my own sons. Just because I don't advocate the belief that they are going to do it anyway does not mean I am a prude, a religious freak or someone with my head buried in the sand. I just happen to know from experience with other teens and my own that if I don't want them to be ashamed of their own sexuality, I can't be ashamed or afraid to talk about sex with them. Because we established a good relationship with our sons when they were young, they feel like they can talk to us abour anything...sorry if that is not your own personal experience either with your parents or your own children, but it does not give you the right to decide what is true or not with mine. We are all products of our own environments, unfortunately most people can't separate what they experienced from what they believe everyone else is going to do. Everyone else in the world are not you and wouldn't necessarily do what you would do. So unless you have a personal relationship with my sons, you're not qualified to judge what they would or would not do, without telling me.
Ok, how did this all of a sudden become a personal thing?  I said SOME are good liars and not ALL of them are the angel you think they are...this isn't just about you just because you're a nurse.  I am just saying that just BECAUSE you are a nurse, it doesn't mean all kids are going to be open to talking about it.  That's ALL I was saying...I wasn't trying to break it down into an individual attack, I was just speaking my opinion.  Don't like it?  I don't care...I just thought I'd throw in an opinion from the Teen generation.  It's good that you and your kids have an open relationship about sex...however, it's not everyone's cup of tea and just because they don't talk about it openly, it doesn't mean they're going to go out there and do it. 
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:14 am PDT

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Quote From: tewslayer

  

About Breastfeeding: 

 

I don't want to see a woman breastfeeding no more than I want to see a woman walking around topless, or a man walking around with his penis hanging out. 

  

About Condoms In School: 

 

I do NOT! think schools should hand out condoms, it sends the WRONG MESSAGE!! 

 

 

 

About Punishing Other People's Children: 

 

I don't think anybody should punish other peoples children, unless that child is bothering them in some way. And I think that the priest had every right to tell that woman to take her children out of the church. A church is a place that people go to pray and listen to storys about god, NOT!! to hear someones child screaming. 

I agree with you on the breast feeding! And we have the right to say how we feel about it!
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:15 am PDT

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Quote From: goodgrief

you're right, breastfeeding is not a spectator sport....so please stop watching.  Centuries before, pregnant women were not allowed in public.  Women couldn't expose their ankles.  People were kept as slaves.  This stuff still goes on in other countries, but not in America.  Do you really want to turn society back to "centuries before?"   Babies need food and mothers provide it.  Would you be less offended by a screaming infant?
Agreed -- centuries before, pregnant women were not allowed in public... look how far we've come!  You're OUT -- just be respectful of others around you.  You're comparing apples with oranges when you talk about ankle exposure and slaves.  All I'm saying is that some people are offended with nudity and should not have to be subjected to it in public.  What is wrong with a small cover-up?  And I really resent your implication that I'm sitting there staring and drooling at a breastfeeding mother.  As to bare breasts versus screaming infants -- I'd be EQUALLY offended by both!  Are YOU offended by screaming children in a department store?????
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:17 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

I was fortunate to work where I lived when I first had my son.  I could always run home to breastfeed.  I agree with someone else on this board that pumps don't always work.  Three months later I became a stay at home mom:) I loved breastfeeding and did until my son was 10 months old, got teeth and started to bite *ouch* I loved every moment of breastfeeding.  Its a wonderful bonding experience and of course - natural & healthy.  I would have never wanted to go to a public restroom to breastfeed. Yuck.   So the breastfeeding in public does not offend me at all.  I mean look at the way some people dress letting it all hang out anyway.  I see young girls with skirts up to their buttcheecks, large women with tight pants that say" hot stuff "on the butt and men who drive around,walk around whatever with no shirts so what is the big deal?
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:20 am PDT

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Quote From: marymartha

AMEN!!!   Every word you say is true. 

When breastfeeding becomes the natural and serene, life-bourishing act it is, and is no longer 'sexualised' on the one hand, or 'flaunted' on the other, we will all look back on this and see it for what it is humankind using the gifts we were given as they were meant to be used. 

So should we compare you to an animal??????? 
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:21 am PDT

From a Doc?

Quote From: dr_joy

Rude people are everywhere, including women who insist on baring their breasts in public on the flimsy excuse that they are breast-feeding, not giving a damn about kindness or respect for others. During my pediatric internship, I found that the women who refuse to show discretion when breast feeding in public are almost always small breasted when their breasts are not engorged with milk, and feel insecure/inhibited sexually. They use the excuse of breast feeding to show off their breasts in public because they can convince themselves that it this is a morally, if not socially, acceptable way to show off their new, bigger breasts. Those who are emotionally and sexually secure, and endorse public breast feeding do it with respect and modesty, acklowledging and respecting that some natural acts are not meant to be done with no restraint in public places, and acknowledging that the breast IS a sexual object, NOT just a source of food for infants. My compassion goes out to the women who are so psychologically challenged , they need to hide behind and use their babies to become sexual exhibitionists. There are plenty of socially acceptable venues to do that, and family restaurants are NOT socially acceptable venues. Farting and belching are equally natural parts of eating for all people, not just babies, and thank goodness most people are kind and respectful and don't just "let one rip" while they are eating in public, simple because it's natural process to pass gas from both ends while eating.    

  

Joy, M.D. 

I hope I never have the misforturne to take one of my children to a doc like you.  I've actually been thanked by the docs for breastfeeding in their waiting room because they want the low income patients they have to understand that it is natural and that they don't have to resort to formula.  And BTW, I don't have small breasts that I'm happy are swelled from milk.  My dream for when I'm done with my child bearing is to have the dang things reduced!  Besides, once you get past the first couple of months of breastfeeding engorgement isn't much of an issue anyway. 

  

Perhaps you are fixated with breasts as sexual objects.  I guarantee  you that most breastfeeding mothers will tell you that their breasts have become strictly functional objects for them.  If your fixation with breasts as sexual objects is causing you distress perhaps you should stay home to do your eating.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:24 am PDT

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Quote From: shawrae

I just think that BF a child that old in public or otherwise is just a bad idea.  I think anything over 1 y/o is just kinda freaky.  I think after (around) that age its time to stop BF.  Especially when i have heard those mothers talking, what they all seem to say is "its a bonding time" or "my child is still a baby" .  No, she has a problem with her child getting older and doesnt want to let go, and is enjoying the "bonding" time too much.  Its just freaky and kinda odd.  I think it is also at some point gonna screw that poor child up.  How old can they be? What is crossing the line?  Are you gonna send pumpled breast milk in their thermos to 1st grade?  I mean, come on, these women need to realize their child is old enough for a sippy cup or a regular cup and just let the children grow up.  Dont screw your poor child up anymore than this crazy world is gonna screw the poor thing up anyway.

Did you know that humans are the only mammals who practice premature weaning of their children?   Biologically speaking, the human species is mean to wean somewhere between 2 and 7 years of age, with 3 and 7 both being extremes...2 being the youngest and 7 being the oldest.  Most wean, if allowed to, around 3 and 4 years of age. 

  

It's wrong to say that it's the mom not wanting to let go.  She is biologically providing her child with the food that he was intended to recieve for 2-7 years (depending on the child and the child's needs).   The World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding for a minimum of  2 years, and, thereafter, as long as is mutually accepted by both mother and child.   

  

Breastfeeding for the amount of time that our bodies are designed to recieve and process breastmilk is not going to "screw your poor child up".   It is how it's biologically supposed to be.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:27 am PDT

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Quote From: kalynnsmom

 Of course, MOST women who nurse in public (myself included) DO nurse discretely, ad you and your daughter has done. I've never seen a women not do it discretely.


I, also, have never seen a woman NOT nurse discreetly.   

  

When I nurse my children in public I don't cover up with a blanket...who wants a blanket on their head while they're eating?  Nobody...certainly not a baby who is learning about their environment and wants to be social while they eat (again, who doesn't like to be social over a meal?).   But, you can nurse discreetly without covering up.   There is no breast visible when I nurse...you can see my shirt, and the back of my baby's head.   

  

I'm glad to hear that so many of us feel this way. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:27 am PDT

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I think that condoms are somthing that should be given.  i'm a student, and i personally believe that pre-martial relations are wrong, but no all teenagers see it that way and if they want to do something they are going to do it. I know that there are people that are going to say well kids are going to drink anyways so we may as well give them a six pack. No you shouldn't, but if you teach your kids responsibility, its not necessary.  But that is something you have a little more control over, saying no to teenagers is not going to end the world. I also really think that adults are not giving teenagers too much credit.  Everyhing in our society glorifies sex, so most teenagers have thought about sex way before they get a condom in hand.  Also if girls can get birth control without parental permission i don't see how this is any different.  Its an extra preccaution.   

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:28 am PDT

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Quote From: starlinmom

I don't know why it is such a huge deal to breast feed  your child in public.  People have been doing it since the beginning of time!  As long as you are making an attempt to respect others around you what's so wrong with it?  I breastfed my first daughter for 13 months and I am currently breastfeeding my 9 month old and if she needs to be nursed I am not taking her to a hot car or to a nasty bathroom just to make other people feel better about their own insecurities.  I also think that there are plenty of breastfeeding resources out there today to FULLY help a nursing mom be discreet in her breastfeeding attempts! 

  

Rebecca 

Dear Rebecca, 

I am against breast feeding in public, but when I read your message I do realize that there are some women that can do it discretely.  I speak for myself only, I do appreciate that. I dont mind seeing feeding her child, as long as I dont have to see it for myself.  I think if more women were like you then this would NOT be an issue. I am not saying that you have to hide from the world when your child is eating, it is just out of courtesy for people like myself to do it in a proper fashion.  I am not a mean or evil person I am just a person that chooses not to do it.  I dont care what anyones says, my children are just as good as a breast fed baby.  That is wrong for some of these women to say that my child is not a smart or healthy as a breastfed baby.  I have three wonderful children, very healthy, they eat healthy and they all were fed with power milk.  I did not feel comfortable breast feeding, but does that make me a bad person? NO! It just means that I choose not to do it.  My daughter was in NICU when she was born, she was very sick.. They were going to have to do surgery on her, but she ended up getting well (by prayers to God) NOT breastmilk.  Not once did I breast feed her and she is healthy happy and a wonderful child.  SHe got better before some of the other babies in NICU with her and they were breast fed, so I dont see what the harm in formula milk is.  I just wished that some of these women on here could just listen to us.  BUt all they can do is call me names and say that I am a selfish person because I choose not to breast feed.  I give any woman a thumbs up for doing it, but I choose not to do it.   Ask yourself, does that make me a horrible or evil person? 

 
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