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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:28 am PDT

Beautiful PRIVATE moment

No one is saying that a mother shouldn't breastfeed a child, anywhere, anytime, anyplace. But be subtle about it. I breastfed both my children and managed to do it without infringing on others' rights. This is a beautiful moment for a mother and child, so is making love to your husband but I don't want to be a party to it while having lunch. If you think that men are walking by and looking at you feeding your baby, thinking what a wonderful beautiful thing, then you are mistaken. Men walk by and gawk because they are not seeing this as a beautiful moment, they are looking at your breasts because they are naked in public. This is only a sexual interest and I don't understand why you would want to share the beauty of feeding your child with men like this. My feeling is that if you are comfortable doing this in public while feeding your child, you shouldn't have a problem walking shirtless any other time. What is the difference? You may not think it is the same thing but in the eyes of the people who gawk, it is.
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:30 am PDT

Whoa!!

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In response to the outrage about nursing in public I have one general question, would you rather hear my hungry baby screaming just so you don't have to see me breastfeeding? 

I highly doubt it, then I would be the bad momma that let's her child scream disturbing those around her. 

I have bf'd in public and I would do it again, when you are out and you are hungry you grab a quick bite from a food joint, when my baby is hungry, he does not have that privilage, bf'ing is his fast food joint. 

  

I do not bf'd for you to find it appealing or attractive, I bf'd to nourish my child and IMHO, his needs come before yours. 

  

I could also ask what the heck you are doing staring at my breasts in the first place since I am always discreet but no doubt you'd all have some witty reply like " I can't help but not notice" well I couldn't help but notice your ass crack hanging out of your pants, which by the way I find offensive but I'm not about to walk up to you and ask you to put it away. 

  

Breastfeeding mothers should be encouraged and supported. They are giving their children the absolute best. Shame on anyone who makes them feel guilty about it. It's bad enough we have to hide it as it is. 

That must be pretty bitter milk you are feeding your children. Why all the anger?
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:31 am PDT

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Quote From: mommy_2004

First of all breastfeeding will not kill you!! It actually sustains life. I am an occational smoker, but I don't smoke around non-smokers (especially children!!) out of respect for them. Please don't compare smoking to breastfeeding. They are on totaly different ends of the spectrum. 

I have to assume you were responding to the person I originally quoted. Since I definitely never compared them...
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:37 am PDT

If you're old enough to have sex...

Then you're old enough to overcome the embarrassment of walking into a drugstore to purchase a condom. 

  

Then you're old enough to acknowledge that you have a relationship based upon mutual respect, consideration and a desire for the well being of your partner. 

  

Then you're old enough  to deal with the consequences of sexual involvement that may result despite your best efforts at contraception. And I don't mean disposing of the evidence. 

  

But if you're not old enough to have sex... 

 

You go to the school nurse or counselor to grab a condom and save yourself  the $1, and the embarassement of public acknowlegement of your sexual life. 

  

You give yourself permission to have sex without a relationship. After all, everyone's doing it. What's the big deal? A good time was had by all. 

  

Woops.......accidents happen. But not to me. Somebody else's problem. How do I know who's baby it might be? 

  

little thoughts, big consequences 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:38 am PDT

Just a Question

Quote From: abentley

Dr.Phil I had a note for you but something happened to it so to make a long story short let's do this I am ashamed when women expose themselves to the public eye to get attention for people.  That's not the way God intented for this to be.  Feeding yes but not exposing.  I have kin that do this and I always leave the room because it's to me a disgrace that you think everyone should get a chance to see your breast.  If your going out for the evening have someone lined up for planning or short of notice and it will all be alright this way no one will have to know about any one elses business.  And if someone else is going to keep the child while you are out for the evening you can purchase a breast pump and they will have the  milk with them you want your child to have in his/her diet.  "bootom line if you feel that you have to do this in the public eye I feel like this is disrepectful for you your family and all of us that don't like it.    

  

  

  What exactly is it that is disrespectful about a woman nursing her child?  Is it that she is using her breast to nourish her child or is it because some woman in today's society don't find it necessary to cover up? 

  

I nursed my first child and I am expecting my second (Which I plan to nurse) and if I am in a public place and he wants to eat why should I deny him that right.  Or worse take him into a gross and dirty bathroom to eat?  I mean would you really want to sit in a bathroom stall for 20 minutes or more?  I do on the other hand believe that just  "plopping out a breast" is a lil rude.  I always made sure and will again make sure that I am completely covered.  But will that make everyone happy?? Probably not.  I think more people get upset knowing what it going on under the blanket and not just the fact the they can see a breast.  U mention pumping...this sometimes isn't the best option for everyone...I tried with my son and it just didn't work.  He refused a bottle.  What are we to do in those circumstances..just stay home??? 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:40 am PDT

GET EDUCATED

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First of all you are not in public. You are in your own hospital room. You are also in a room with others like yourself. And my belief is people have a right to do as they see fit in the privacy of their own home, hospital room, etc...  I just do not want to see it. Before going out for a trip why can't you pump your breast milk and put it in a bottle. No one gets offended by a baby bottle. I do not care how natural it is, i don't want to see it. Just as masturbation is a healthy normal act, but i wouldn't want to see that either. All we ask is you show some respect when being out in public.  Covering up is respectful, but using a bottle with your own milk in it is even better. What is it going to hurt. The baby gets the exact same thing, just in a different manner. A woman's breast will always be viewed by some as a sexual part of the body. Just because you have a baby hanging from it, doesn't change the views. And if you don't want to go somewhere because you do not want to drag other kids with you if they happen to be with you. Then schedule your outings around the baby's' feeding time. I know i certainly would as a matter of respect for others.

 No one gets offended by a baby bottle.  

 

NOT TRUE!!!  I get very offended every single time I see a child eating from a bottle.  And it isn't the same.  I wasn't able to develop a good nursing relationship with my first child, so I pumped and fed her with a bottle.  Because she was eating from a bottle she had excess gas, spit-up and ear infections.  Nursing at the breast eliminates most of the causes of those problems. 

  

Then schedule your outings around the baby's' feeding time 

 

Because breastmilk is better digested by a child's immature digestive tract it doesn't just sit there like formula. Formula feed babies are easier to "schedule" because they are being given a food that does not digest well and sits in their stomachs for longer because of it.   Breast feed babies do eat more frequently and it is impossible to ALWAYS schedule feedings around other activites.  Add in to the mix the occassional growth spurt where children demand more feedings for a day or two and you can't know when your child will need to eat next. 

  

The best solution would be for folks to educate themselves about the benefits of feeding at the breast (the breast milk is great, getting it straight from the source is better).  That and get over this immature idea that breasts are strictly for sexual pleasure.  No wonder half the world thinks we are insane here in the US.  Our celebraties can prance around half naked and that doesn't bother us but a woman breastfeeding causes all this debate! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:41 am PDT

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About Breastfeeding: 

 

I don't want to see a woman breastfeeding no more than I want to see a woman walking around topless, or a man walking around with his penis hanging out. 

  

About Condoms In School: 

 

I do NOT! think schools should hand out condoms, it sends the WRONG MESSAGE!! 

 

 

 

About Punishing Other People's Children: 

 

I don't think anybody should punish other peoples children, unless that child is bothering them in some way. And I think that the priest had every right to tell that woman to take her children out of the church. A church is a place that people go to pray and listen to storys about god, NOT!! to hear someones child screaming. 

Wake up!!!  Teenagers don't care or listen to what message you send about sex.  They do what they want to do especially if you do not approve.  Better to educate them and give them the resources to prevent teen pregnancy and STD's 

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:42 am PDT

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Quote From: momofmande

As you have the right to free speech, us nursing moms have a right to feed our children and I personally will do so whenever and wherever for the benefit of my child.  Most of you people don't even have children and you are debating about an issue that you probably have not educated yourself about. 
Why are you coming down so hard on me for my opinion.  I listen to what you have to say and because I dont agree with breast feeding I am evil or horrible person.  I think that breast feeding moms are doing a wonderful thing for their babies, but my point is that you shouldnt do it in public.  Do you use the restroom in public?  Do you have sex in public?  Do you expose your body parts in public?  The answer to all of these questions is NO..... Anyone that does any of these things in public will and should go to jail.   I am not agreeing with people bout breast feeding.  I am arguing that you should nt do it in public UNLESS, you cover yourself and dont make a scene out of it.  I think that people are not hearing me out.  We have gotten off the real subject here, we all know that it is good for your child, but you dont have to display it in everyones face.   I do have children, I have THREE!  I have never breast fed nor will I ever do it.  My daughter was in NICU when she was born and I never once breast fed her and she got to home way faster than the other babies that WERE breast fed...and yes they all had the same problems, so I dont see why it is such a big deal bout how much better it is.  It is each womans choice to do as she wishes.  I choose not to do it, but that doesnt mean that I am selfish or a horrible person.  I am just not comfortable doing it.  I dont like to see it done with discreation in public either.  But this is my opinion and you dont have to like it just as I dont have to like you doing it in public.......
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:45 am PDT

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Quote From: goodgrief

Oh my goodness!  You are so far off base here.  Breastfeeding mothers don't need to nurse their babies to bare their breasts.  If that's what we wanted, we could simply choose skimpy clothes.  You'll see a lot more exposed flesh from a woman in a tube top than you'll see from a breastfeeding mother. 

  

My compassion goes out to your patients who have a doctor who cares so little for the health of children.  As a doctor, you should be encouraging mothers to breastfeed for the health of the babies.    

 I feel for her "patients" too. I doubt she's a doctor. If she is, she should lose her job.
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:46 am PDT

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Quote From: comeagain1

I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

  

  

   I do agree that the woman who was feeding her child should have had the respect to cover herself up with a light blanket while feeding her baby.  Also if the baby was smacking the chances are he/she wasn't latched on correctly.  I do agree that she could have done things to make it less obvious of what was happening.   

  

What I don't understand is why you call her a shack up.  I understand that maybe her and the father of the child aren't married.  But what about this situation really upset you???  The fact that she nursed at the table or the fact that she was nursing a baby created with her by your ex husband.???  I think there was more to the story than you let on!!! 

 
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