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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:46 am PDT

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Quote From: luckymomma

If you are afraid of your child seeing another mom breastfeeding, here is what to do: Act normal, calmly say to your child, "She is feeding her baby, isn't that a beautiful baby". Children react to our reactions, if you cover your childs eyes and run out he/she is going to take a interest and go about talking about it like it was the event of the season. But if you explain, and do it calmly like it is a normal everyday thing, it will be a normal thing to him/her and won't be a negative experience.
My goodness, breastfeeding is a normal everyday thing!!  Why would anyone fear that their child will grow up understanding the real purpose of breasts... for nourishing babies not for selling beer and cars!!
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:47 am PDT

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In response to the outrage about nursing in public I have one general question, would you rather hear my hungry baby screaming just so you don't have to see me breastfeeding? 

I highly doubt it, then I would be the bad momma that let's her child scream disturbing those around her. 

I have bf'd in public and I would do it again, when you are out and you are hungry you grab a quick bite from a food joint, when my baby is hungry, he does not have that privilage, bf'ing is his fast food joint. 

  

I do not bf'd for you to find it appealing or attractive, I bf'd to nourish my child and IMHO, his needs come before yours. 

  

I could also ask what the heck you are doing staring at my breasts in the first place since I am always discreet but no doubt you'd all have some witty reply like " I can't help but not notice" well I couldn't help but notice your ass crack hanging out of your pants, which by the way I find offensive but I'm not about to walk up to you and ask you to put it away. 

  

Breastfeeding mothers should be encouraged and supported. They are giving their children the absolute best. Shame on anyone who makes them feel guilty about it. It's bad enough we have to hide it as it is. 

NO one said that your child had to scream and cry.  We are just saying that you should do it discretly.  Why is that so hard to understand, werent all of you breast fed?  Should nt you be smarter than us NON BREAST FED BABIES?
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:49 am PDT

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Quote From: cindylou85

Baby bottles have a little soft thing on top of bottle this thing is called a NIPPLE! What do our breast have, a NIPPLE! Does this tell you that if children are suppose to suck on a nipple then maybe it should be the more natural one and no I don' t mean Playtex. Children get more atttention from their parents when they are breastfed. They are not going to be tosted in a crib with a bottle proped in thier mouth just so they can get ear infections. They are not going to be left sitting in a soiled diaper because who wants a stinky baby close to their nose. Not me I want the crap off of them. And finally, a breastfed baby and their mom have this different kind of bond with their child that bottlefed babies don't. These children that are left in houses by them selves or left in cars for an hour, they are mostlikely not breastfed.

I breast fed my daughter for 8 weeks and during that time I don't think she was ever full-even if I sat there for 2hrs at a time. After I went back to work I started feeding her formula. She was finally full when she finished an 8oz bottle. I started out bottlefeeding my son when he was born. Neither of my children were sickly and I am a good and attentive mother who changed their pants when they were in diapers and didnt leave them in cars or at home unattended. They are 14 & 7 & very well adjusted. Thank you very much!!!!! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:50 am PDT

WHATTT????

Quote From: missjane2

I breastfed one of my 4 kids for 12 months.  The others I didn't.  I really don't remember breastfeeding in public.  Although it doesn't bother me to see a mom breastfeed her baby WITHOUT TEETH in public.  What would be an interesting subject is talking to mom's who breastfeed their older children.....??????  Kindergarden?  And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?

My first child got teeth at 4 months old, my second was 9 month...it is not up to you to judge how long one should breastfeed or by what standard. My first child breastfed for 20 months and the second only nine months. They were different babies with different needs..and one had teeth almost the entire time. 

  

When anyone asked how long I was going to nurse my children, my response was...until one of us doesn't want to anymore. I dion't judge people who bottle feed...so why should us breastfeeding moms get judged. Deciding to nurse, for how long and by what standard is no-one elses business. Geez we don't need permission to nurse...last time I checked I lived in a free country...free to nurse my baby (even with teeth at 4 months). 

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:53 am PDT

not ladylike?

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In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy. Now about the sex education, schools should not give out condoms. That is a big NO NO! Leave anything personal and private to the parents, not the teachers. Its the parents job to tell their children about sex and other things too.

Breastfeeding is completely ladylike.  Have you ever seen a man breastfeed?  What is truly unladylike is formula-feeding, which can be done by either gender or, in the case of bottle-proppers who take the human touch completely out, by the baby himself.   I find it very unladylike to dine in the restroom.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:53 am PDT

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Breastfeeding in public....
Adults don't eat in the bathroom and babies shouldn't have to either!! I mean could you take your food into a smelly public restroom and eat? I DON'T THINK SO!! If you don't want to see it then DON'T look, nobody is holding a gun to your head saying stare at that woman BFing her baby. And what is this about it being "unattractive"? It's not supposed to be attractive. I've saw women and men walking around in things that I didn't find "attractive" and I didn't critisize them and tell them that they need to stay at home if they aren't going to cover up. I don't BF but I don't have any problems with anyone who NIP, hey a babies gotta eat! Would they rather have to sit and listen to a hungry screaming baby or have peace and let the baby eat?



Condoms.....

As a teen myself I can relate to this subject. When I was in highschool we had Abstinence classes every year, they never gave us condoms they just told us NOT to have sex until we were married. However for my friends and that just made us want to do it more cuz we were being told not to and when I was told not to do something it always made it that much more appealing. When I was 16 (a sophmore in HS) I lost my virginity and we would not have used a condom had my brother-in-law not given them to me. After I started having sex I went to my local Health Dept and got put on BC (to this day my Mom does not know) cuz after the box of condoms my BIL gave me was gone we didn't have anymore and didn't want to just go to the store and get some so we never used another. When I met my husband (I was still 16) we never had any condoms so never used any until after I had our daughter. I got pregnant in April of 04 (I was 17) and had a miscarriage that June, then I found out I was preggo with our daughter in August of 04 (still 17). Anyway my point is, schools shouldn't be handing them out like candy but I do think that they should have them in bathrooms or something so that kids have a descrete easy way to get them cuz had it not been for my BIL I would have never used a condom, but would've still had sex when I did.


Disipline....

If you have a problem with my child then COME TO ME. I will not take my child into restaurants that aren't kid friendly so if you don't want to hear children then dont' go to kid friendly restaruants. If my children are acting in ways that I feel is unappropriate for even a kid friendly place then I will act as quick as possible to remove her/ them but I DO NOT need rude looks/ comments while I am doing so.

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:55 am PDT

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Quote From: mommy04

HOW DARE YOU JUDGE A SINGLE MOTHER OF THREE WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN A PARENT YOURSELF NOR ARE YOU FEMALE!  I AM A 22 YEAR OLD MOTHER OF FOUR.  ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME I DID NOT TRY TO PREVENT MYSELF FROM HAVING CHILDREN.  I GOT NEWS FOR YOU BUDDY..........  I WAS ON BIRTH CONTROL WITH THREE OF MY FOUR CHILDREN AND NO I DID NOT  MISS A PILL NOR DID I MISS A SHOT.  AND NO, I COULD NOT FIND A DOCTOR TO TIE MY TUBES BECAUSE I WAS "TO YOUNG".  MOST STATES WILL NOT TIE YOUR TUBES UNTIL THE FORTH CHILD OR UNTIL YOU ARE 25.  AND I AM A SINGLE MOM!  I HAVE DONE IT ON MY OWN FOR 5 YEARS NOW AND I HAVE BEEN ON MY OWN PAYING MY OWN BILLS SINCE I WAS 14.  I DO NOT RECIEVE CHILD SUPPORT FROM THE FATHER NOR DO I GET STATE ASSISTANCE.  I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A BIG LOOK AND THINK WELL GEE IF THE FATHER IS NOT IN THE PICTURE THAT IS HIS OWN DAMN FAULT AND HE IS THE ONE THAT IS BEING SELFISH NOT HER.  YOU SEEM TO FORGET THAT MOTHERS CAN'T PLAY THE "IT'S NOT MINE" CARD LIKE YOU MEN DO.  AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IT WAS BECAUSE SHE SLEEPS AROUND TO MUCH OR DOES THIS OR THAT YOUR WRONG ABOUT THAT TOO.  I WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY CHILDRENS FATHER FOUR 7 YEARS ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT ME BEING A SINGLE MOM IS ALL MY FUALT AND I AM BEING SELFISH.  YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP THINKING LIKE A TYPICAL STUPID MAN!
YOU GO GIRL!!!!  I support you 200%!!!!  My mom raised me by herself with no help from my father and she had a hard enough time with just me.  Kudos to you!!!  I wish there were enough kudos to give you!!!  Keep up the good work!!!!
 
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October 8, 2005, 12:00 pm PDT

different value system

Quote From: comeagain1

I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

The value system you are referring to seems to be one that places things (like the expense of your graduation dinner) before people.   Why would you want to separate the family by banishing the nursing mother to another room on such a joyous FAMILY occasion??
 

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October 8, 2005, 12:02 pm PDT

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Quote From: coldfeat

Breast feeding in public?  I have no problem with it as long as she doesn't call a lot of attention to herself, which I personally have NEVER seen happen.  If baby's hungry, feed him/her! 

  

Condoms in schools? it's giving tacit permission to kids.  we have NO PROBLEM saying "SAY NO TO DRUGS" , "DON'T SMOKE", "DON'T DRINK!"  Why can't we tell our kids "SAY NO TO SEX"??  the argument "they're going to do it anyway" is not a valid one.  One can also say, "they're going to smoke anyway, do drugs anyway, or they're going to drink alcohol anyway, so let's give them "safe" light cigarettes, clean marijuana, etc., in school."  Give me a break!  why is it ok for our teens to have sex?  oh wait... the abortion industry has to thrive.  they would lose money if our kids didn't have sex.  condoms?  they fail.  a lot.  If you're 13 year old daughter gets pregnant and what do you do?  (I would hope most would place the baby for adoption!) unfortunately, too many will abort, which is why the industry is a multi billion dollar a year business.   

We are lying to our kids and permitting them to make mistakes that will affect them the rest of their lives.  Why can't we tell them the truth instead of sanitizing it and making it a "decision" for them?  We teach them about the bad effects of drugs, but don't tell them "if you should decide to use drugs, especially IV drugs, use a sterile needle."  It's time to be parents and "just say no" to schools handing out condoms and get involved with your school's sex ed program. 

  

I'll say something to a parent if the kid is acting up and the parent is doing nothing. and if a parent still does nothing, I have no qualms about correcting a child, especially if it may be affecting my property or someone elses.  maybe, just maybe, they'll get the message that society won't put up with their bad behavior.  but then again, maybe I'm an optimist. 

 I absolutely applaud your idea of a "Just Say No to Sex"! Even if you were partly joking, after reading your message, it has occurred to me that this is program idea that should actually be pushed in our school systems. Sure, your right, kids will still have sex just as kids still do drugs and drink and drive etc...but does that me we should just give up and wash our hands of it?! Apparently, we're still pushing the anti-drug & drinking movements.....lets do our kids a favor and start this thing!!!
 
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October 8, 2005, 12:04 pm PDT

Good advice for all people w/ or w/out kids.

Quote From: luckymomma

If you are afraid of your child seeing another mom breastfeeding, here is what to do: Act normal, calmly say to your child, "She is feeding her baby, isn't that a beautiful baby". Children react to our reactions, if you cover your childs eyes and run out he/she is going to take a interest and go about talking about it like it was the event of the season. But if you explain, and do it calmly like it is a normal everyday thing, it will be a normal thing to him/her and won't be a negative experience.

Thanks for the calm, good advice for all people - for people with or without kids.  Thank you for not telling women who are childless for various reasons to shut up, that they don't have the right to express their opinions.  Thank you for being fair to everyone.  This is great advice, it makes sense and it could help instarting the culture to accept feeding time for a hungry child. 

  

  

 
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