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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 12:07 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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First of all, I wondered throughout the whole show if that woman has ever heard of a BREAST PUMP?????  If she is so determined to breastfeed in the first place, why doesn't she use a breast pump at home and then she can feed her child in public with a bottle of breast milk? Am I being unreasonable here? I agree with the other lady, I certainly don't want to see anybody's boobs and especially while I'm trying to eat dinner. It's just in poor taste.

Yes, you are being unreasonable.  You apparently have not used a breast pump.  It is hard to find the time to breastfeed and pump in between.  You can't bottle feed and pump at the same time therefore you have to pump in-between feedings.  In the beginning they are eating every 2 hours.  When do you sleep, when do you pump?  You have to give your breasts at least 30 mins to produce more milk.  And if you have twins....forget it.  I have 3 children and my two youngest are twins.  Most of the time when I breastfed in public (even in restaurants) nobody even had a clue what was going on.  Our country is supposed to be the cultural melting pot.  Everyone is supposed to be free here.  We need to have more tolerance for basic and natural behaviors and we need to teach our children that it is no big deal!!!! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 12:10 pm PDT

I see your point... sort of

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I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

 I fully support breastfeeding in public, but what you describe is a little different scenario.  If I'm at somebody's home, I don't nurse at the dinner table.  I'll excuse myself and go to another room, the living room, for example.  I learned early on that if I didn't get over my fear of nursing in public, I'd have a very lonely life the whole time I'm nursing.  When my daughter was 2 weeks old my mom invited the extended family to her house for dessert to meet the baby.  She started to get fussy and I went to one of the bedrooms to feed her.  When I finished, everyone was gone.  I felt so isolated. 

Now that I've gotten over my discomfort, I don't have a problem feeding her in public.  If I'm in a restaurant with my husband I'll feed her.  I don't put a blanket over her head, but I make sure that I'm covered.  I don't see why anyone has a problem with that kind of situation.  We're not talking about "Girls Gone Wild".  This is nothing more than a baby needing to eat.
 
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October 8, 2005, 12:10 pm PDT

choices

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Your Question: "Why would you take away the HEALTHIEST, MOST LOVING, PERFECT nourishment your child could have?!"  Well, 2 of my kids had milk allergies so that put them both on special formulas.  Honestly..... if I had another kid..... I don't think I would breastfeed for alot of reasons.  Like I said if another mom wants to do it that is fine with me.  To me it just doesn't fit into today's lifestyle.  You can spend quality time with your baby and so can others without having to breastfeed.  It is one of those personal decisions that perhaps bring benefits, but so do a whole lot of other choices.

Perhaps brings benefits?? Have you read the research?  Do you know the wisdom with which you were created?   

When I have to pay higher health care costs because a mother is unwilling to fit breastfeeding into her "lifestyle" so her baby suffers more illnesses throughout his life, it affects me!  Even worse when I have to help cover the cost of special formulas for babies with allergies, when they would have been fine with their mother's own milk... if she had been willing to fit it into her "lifestyle." 

 
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October 8, 2005, 12:10 pm PDT

Not appealing? Dr Phil, what is that? Not an answer.

 I am really disappointed that Dr. Phil did not get an adequate answer out of the woman who didn't want to see women b'feed in public. It is not appealing? That is not an answer.  If someone offered her breastmilk she could say "no thank you, it is not appealing to me". I wonder if she thinks that her unusual style of dress and hair color is appealing? To those a little more conservative I would have to say probably not, but I wouldn't ask her not to dine out because of it. I am breastfeeding my second child and have only had to do it in public 2x. I try to stick to a schedule so that I dont have to do it in public, not because I shouldn't, but because it makes me uncomfortable, which makes my child uncomfortable. I have seen many people, including close friends, nurse their children and have never seen their breasts. It must be the IDEA of it that bothers you all so much. Get over it, God made them specifically for my child, it is only a bonus that they can be used for other things when they are not working to give my child the best start in life.
 
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October 8, 2005, 12:11 pm PDT

Fed up

I am so tired of people whining about their kids! If you can't take control of kids, DON'T HAVE THEM! No one forced you to have them, and YOU decided to keep them after they were born. Saying "I can't keep constant control of my three kids" is unacceptable. They are YOUR kids. Not mine, not the person sitting next to you, not the other patrons in a restaurant. YOUR kids. If you can't control them when you go out, either hire a sitter or stay at home. When you choose to be a parent, you are to take responsibility for that choice. And how dare anyone says that us childless adults don't understand. How did you feel before you had kids? Or does having children cause memory loss? I have to wonder that sometimes. Being a parent is a CHOICE. If you get pregnant by accident or God forbid, by a horrible crime, and you choose to keep the baby, that is the CHOICE you have made. And when making choices people have to accept the responsibilities and consequences of those actions. Just like the woman who got pregnant at 17. It is up to her NOT to have sex. Not the school's to pass out condoms. I'm not having sex. You know why? I don't want to risk getting pregnant! Birth control or condoms are not 100%. Abstinence is. My boyfriend and I know the consequences. And we certainly don't want children at this time! I say, use your head instead of your hormones! And as far as breastfeeing, I believe that is a special bonding time between mother and child, not between mother, child, and everyone else around, so please to somewhere not so public (like a bathroom stall with a towel if necessary) or pump your breast milk at home and bring it in a bottle. I have friends who have children, and they agree with my take on this subject. They even saw the show before I did and taped it for me so I could see it!
 
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October 8, 2005, 12:12 pm PDT

Amen

Quote From: cara_heald

Coming from a mother who breast fed her children, I take great offense to people such as the guest on the show that said "it's just not attractive".  Mother's do not breast feed their children to draw attention to themselves, or to show off their breasts, OR TO BE ATTRACTIVE.  When our children are hungry, they have a right to eat.  The guest on the show said it was inapropriate to "take off your shirt", obviously she is not educated on the matter.  Breast feeding mothers DO NOT take their shirts off!  And, from experience, there is very minimal of the breast that is actually exposed.  I was very upset when she said it was like "putting food on my breast and having my boyfriend eat it".  NOT THE SAME THING!!!!  If I saw that happen, my first thought would be "Go get a room".  However, maybe she doesn't take into consideration that at one time, her boyfriend probably did eat from a breast, his mothers breast when he was an infant.  It also was probably in public.  God created women to be able to feed our children from our breast.  If people take offense to that, perhaps they should remove themselves from the situation. 

I cant believe that people equate feeding a grown man from your bare breast and breastfeeding as the same thing.  

  

IGNORANT!!!!! This just proves that they have NO valid argument. So, they resort to saying things like that or comparing it to urinating. Our society has got to stop taking things so personally. The way I feed my child has nothing to do with anyone else. I am forced to look at celebrities baring their chest for all the world to see everytime I run to the grocery store. I am sorry but I find it hard to believe that men are that offeneded by the bare breast when the porn industy makes profits into the billions each year.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 12:13 pm PDT

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Quote From: worfsmum

First of all you are not in public. You are in your own hospital room. You are also in a room with others like yourself. And my belief is people have a right to do as they see fit in the privacy of their own home, hospital room, etc...  I just do not want to see it. Before going out for a trip why can't you pump your breast milk and put it in a bottle. No one gets offended by a baby bottle. I do not care how natural it is, i don't want to see it. Just as masturbation is a healthy normal act, but i wouldn't want to see that either. All we ask is you show some respect when being out in public.  Covering up is respectful, but using a bottle with your own milk in it is even better. What is it going to hurt. The baby gets the exact same thing, just in a different manner. A woman's breast will always be viewed by some as a sexual part of the body. Just because you have a baby hanging from it, doesn't change the views. And if you don't want to go somewhere because you do not want to drag other kids with you if they happen to be with you. Then schedule your outings around the baby's' feeding time. I know i certainly would as a matter of respect for others.
You are very misinformed.  First of all, breastfed babies do not have feeding times.  Breast milk is digested very quickly and breastfed babies need to nurse frequently.  Also, as an fyi, I do not tell you when you may go out so please do not tell me or others.  We are still living in America...correct?  Secondly, many babies refuse bottles.  I mean REFUSE!  Third, expressed milk is in fact not the same.  The breasts have a very nice little system of giving the baby exactly what the baby needs at each feeding.  If for example, the baby has a virus, the breasts detect that and antibodies are released into the milk.  This does not happen when using a bottle.  You might want to educate yourself on some of the information before debating.
 
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October 8, 2005, 12:17 pm PDT

breast feeding, obviously, is natural

Yes breast feeding is natural, but do we do all natural acts in public? Women should have the right to feed a child when they are hungry but with concern and respect with those around them when breast feeding. We are a country of many cultures, which requires thought from everyone when performing some of these natural tasks, what is "ones right" to one person may be considered " disrespectful or embarrassing"  to another.  I feel covering up or turning your back is not to much to ask.   

I never had bad feelings about breast feeding whatsoever until my daughter was 10 and in little league.  Our ministers child was on the team.  Her mother and 3 year old sister would come sit in the stands every game.  To the dissatisfaction of many of the mothers, as well as fellow parishioners, the ministers wife would literally throw her shirt up and  let the 3 year old suckle.  The little girl would walk up to her mother repeatedly and throw up her shirt to get a "drink"  3 YEARS OLD!  I realize this is an extreme, but it was this behavior that turned me off of the open nursing in public.  And I think we all know  how a bared breast can be mesmerizing to a man...you just can't ask them to turn their heads and not look..... it's just one of those things. So let's not be so selfish about the whole thing, think about those around you. 

Condoms in school....someone has to do it, it is apparent most kids are not getting the information they need from their parents, how about polling the kids and seeing how many of them would welcome a sex education class. 

Disciplining someone else's child... I don't think anyone who is not the guardian on sight should be disciplining another's child, but if a child is being disruptive TO ME, I will say something to the child. My experience is that most parents with disruptive children either don't care or are very aggressive.  I simply let the child know what he is doing and ask him not to do it to me again. I find if you approach a child like this it usually works, and both leave with self respect.  Yelling and screaming to make a point usually fails. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 12:18 pm PDT

Babies were born to be Breastfed

I had twins 2 years ago.  I always managed to breastfeed them at the same time without anyone even knowing what I was doing!  A baby should not have to go hungry to appease a total's stranger's ignorance! 

One time when I was through feeding the boys, a man came up to me in the mall and said were you just breastfeeding them together?  I sarcastically replied, "God gave me two of them for a reason!!!" 

Women are discrete about it...but people just seem to stare at the blanket thrown over the shoulder.  What's the big deal?  They would stare and loose their appetite if the baby was screaming. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 12:24 pm PDT

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Quote From: comeagain1

I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

I wonder if it was your daughter feeding her child if you would call her a "shackup" because she created a child with a man! It sounds like you are more bent on hating this younger woman than the actual subject of breastfeeding in public. If the smacking of a baby eating disgusts you, who changes your 90 year old grandmothers diaper after the meal!!! If thats all you remember looking back at this occasion, maybe you should have a reality check about your morals.
 
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