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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 2:12 pm PDT

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I watched the show and the tv sound was ON! I cannot believe that you would say that breastfeeding in public is disgusting, that you "lose" your appetite if you see it happening b/c you are not able to look away. You cannot honestly tell me that if a woman is feeding her baby at a table next to or in front of yours, that her breast is the only thing you can see???? How is that possible?  Is she shoving her breast and her baby in your face while you're eating or are you too simpleminded to not look at her?  I have breastfed both my children and I am still nursing my daughter. I nurse her whenever and whereever it needs to be done. I do not sit in a nasty bathroom on the toilet or on the floor just so I can get "a little privacy".  That is disgusting.  However, if I am at a mall or a store with a nice lounge and comfortable seats I do choose to go there--simply for our own physical comfort!   

  

I'm sure there are things you do in your life that make people around you uncomfortable, but you are not going to change your lifestyle b/c of that.  I understand that you think we "should have more respect for each others rights and opinions" but it doesn't seem like you are living what you preach!!!!  It is my right and my duty to feed my children, whether that be a cheeseburger or milk from my breast!  I'm going to do it and it's not going to be done in a nasty bathroom!!! 

Maybe you didn't have the sound up loud enough then? I never said it was disgusting, I said that "people find it unattractive". At no point did I tell tell anyone to get in the bathroom. We can discuss my life when you actually know me, but that will never ever happen. Thanks.
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:12 pm PDT

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To breast feed, or to bottle feed is a personal decision. Each woman is her own expert. Neither choice is wrong! 

My experiences may not be your experiences, just like each birth experience is unique. 

 

I bottle fed my 3 babies after researching all the facts. I never had a child with ear infections, gastro intestinal difficulties, problems with scheduling(each of my children put themselves on feeding schedules),or  trouble with going to sleep or staying asleep. 

 

I never had trouble bonding with my children.I did not have babies with oral thrush or yeast infections. My children had regular bowel movements. They were very healthy babies and my oldest are healthy adults.  My youngest is 8, and is also very healthy. My children are all very smart and have been advanced in school by an average of 2 years. 

 

These are MY experiences as a mom who chose to bottle feed. Your experiences, may be similar to mine, or very different. My experiences don't make me the expert on how to feed babies, except with my own children. Each mom needs to decide what is best for her BABY and not what she wants for herself.  

 

I read a message which stated that milk comes in as soon as a child is born. Again, each woman is different and that was not my experience. My breasts were engorged when I was only 4 months pregnant with my first child. I woke up soaking wet one morning, and there after during the entire pregnancy. I did not have milk with my second child--not at all. And when my 3rd child was born, milk was not produced for 6 days after the birth. So even had I wanted to breastfeed, it would have been impossible.  

 

I believe in discretionary breastfeeding in contrast to nondiscretionary breastfeeding. To men, breasts ARE sex objects. They may look at a breast with a baby attached and wishing all the while that he was on that breast. With all the sex crimes against women and children in our society, why would anyone want be immodest while feeding a baby?  

 

Should a woman be stuck in a restroom or a car to breastfeed? Absolutely not. Most women know how to nurse a baby without drawing undue attention to her private parts.  

 

 

 

 
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October 8, 2005, 2:14 pm PDT

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Quote From: linzjongat

I watched the show. I watched the clips of the other woman breastfeeding. It seemed pretty quick and non effective. her shirt covered what her baby did not. What I heard you say was breast feeding mothers should go to the bathroom, and then some absurd statement about whipping your breast on the toilet. when my children were old enough to pull off the cover I simply wore a loose shirt to cover what their mouths did not. Is that offensive? or is it just the thought of a mother providing nourishment to her child that "makes you lose your appetite"?
 

Maybe you could remind me where I said they need to go to the bathroom? I have it on tape, and I know that I never said that. Thanks.
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:14 pm PDT

re: courtesy during public breastfeeding

teenmom x2 has an entry in to this dialogue that proves our point about having it thrown in our faces. Her thoughts are admirable showing courtesy for the most part but she felt the need to show us her breast on the screen.  This is a case of where I did not choose to see but it was flashed.  Too bad for the bad taste.
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:18 pm PDT

Perhaps Not!

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Perhaps brings benefits?? Have you read the research?  Do you know the wisdom with which you were created?   

When I have to pay higher health care costs because a mother is unwilling to fit breastfeeding into her "lifestyle" so her baby suffers more illnesses throughout his life, it affects me!  Even worse when I have to help cover the cost of special formulas for babies with allergies, when they would have been fine with their mother's own milk... if she had been willing to fit it into her "lifestyle." 

Both of my children were bottle fed and certainly not because of "lifestyle" issues. I had to because I could not express milk from my breast. Therefore my children would have starved had they not been fed formula. Let me also say that they are and have always been very healthy. They are smart, healthy, good kids. My sister on the other hand whom breast fed both of her children has two children who are constantly sick and have behavior and speech problems. I have had read my research and I am sorry you have been burdened with higher health cost. But what can you say in these circumstances? Life doesn't always fit into a perfect little box. And I am sure that for some kids it is best to be bottle fed. If they are to consume what is passed through to them through breastmilk then they may benefit better from being fed formula through a bottle.
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:18 pm PDT

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Quote From: linzjongat

you have never met me, spent time with me, or even know a single thing about me. You have never witnessed me breast feeding my child and I have said many times that I respect the feelings of others even if I don't agree with them. I covered my babies as long as they would tolerate it, and then wore a loose shirt to cover all but the baby. Telling a breast feeding mother to go the bathroom or to the car because she made the best decision for her baby is strange. I thought everyone knew the benefits of breast feeding, I guess not.  

Maybe you can tell me the VERY FIRST THING I SAID on the show? Will that help clear things up for you,  because you seem to not have heard a word I said.
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:19 pm PDT

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I see more boob here:  

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Than I do here: 

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Has anyone else noticed that? 

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 2:21 pm PDT

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Shellyee, once you have given birth, you may change your mind.  You'd better leave your options open.
I am never giving birth. Don't assume so much.
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:25 pm PDT

Spoken like a true non-mother...

Quote From: shellyee

Then would it be alright with you if we all took off our tops and ate our food off of each others chest like your child? I am just trying to be fair.

Shelly: 

Please re-read your response here.  Have you honestly ever seen a mother remove her top in order to nurse her baby??  Again, your responses are a clear indicator of your lack of both knowledge AND understanding!!! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 2:26 pm PDT

Not sure this made it the first time!

 First I want to share this experience:  Once, I was at the mall and very nervous about breast feeding in the food court because there were a number of teenage gentlemen at the next table.  They happened to be Hispanic.  Not one even looked at me in an out of the ordinary way.  My  lunch companion pointed out that in their culture breast feeding is normal!  How come I can drive on the interstate in North Carolina and see adds for "Dockside Dolls" with women in almost nothing, and people take offense at breast feeding in public?  Before I gave birth to my first child, I decided I wanted to breast feed.  I thought I could just schedule feedings and make sure I was home (ha!)   Well, needless to say reality set in quickly.  I did always cover up and at first usually left the room.  I fed my child in storage closets and bathrooms in restaurants.  Soon I decided that if I got to go out to eat, I was not going to sit in a closet or bathroom for thirty minutes.   I always covered up with nursing tops or my t-shirt.   Sure, people might have caught a brief glimpse of my breast if they were staring, but once the child is nursing, the breast is covered anyway!   Needless to say with my second child, I never breast fed in a bathroom or closet. 


On the topic of condoms in schools, I have this to share.  I once had a young woman in my freshman college course who became ill.  She found out later that she had an early stage miscarriage.  A few weeks later, she started turning yellow.  When the student health services sent her to the hospital with Hepatitis, she was scared to death--she had never even heard of hepatitis.  Perhaps if she had not come from a county in my state, North Carolina, where the sex ed. pages of the health book had been cut out, she may have been able to prevent her fate with some basic knowledge.  Sex education is desperately needed in the schools.  Education is power.  Whenever knowledge is kept from people, ideas get confused.  Yes in a perfect world, parents should teach their children about sex, but it is obvious that they don't.  Condoms should not just be thrown at the kids; they should be given education with them.  Parents should be given the school's curriculum about sex ed. so that they can discuss what they believe with their children at home. 

Strangers should not discipline other people's children in public.  If you don't like something my children are doing, feel free to tell me. 

 
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