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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 2:54 pm PDT

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Too bad for you and your prudish son that arresting a woman for nursing in public is ILLEGAL in Wisconsin. 

  

Also, too bad for your son that you are too ashamed of your body to let it do what it does naturally. 

How can you say that this woman is ashamed of her body when you don't even know her?!  I think you're just angry at the fact that she, unlike many breastfeeding women, has consideration for others. 

  

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How do you know nothing was coming out?  

  

You realize that less than 1% of women worldwide can't breastfeed, right? 

  

If the softspot on his head was sunken in and he had stopped producing wet diapers, then he was malnourished. Otherwise, you were paranoid. 

  

Did you consult with a lactation specialist? How about LLL? Did you try oatmeal, tea and fenugreek? How about Relegan (sp?) Assuming that you really did have a diminished supply, did you use a supplimental nursing system so that whatever milk you produced went directly to your child while they were being supplimented with formula?  

  

Or did you assume you were not making enough, fed formula in a bottle because you didn't know what else to do and then assumed that your children didn't want your breast after that? 

  

You can still breastfeed even if you have to give formula. If you want to breastfeed you shouldn't give bottles because it causes nipple confusion. If you have low supply issues, you need to nurse MORE and not bottle feed. If your kid is malnourished you know because their temples, eyes and soft-spots sink in and they are lethargic and don't urinate... you can boost your supply with an SNS. 

  

There is probably no reason at all why you couldn't have breastfed. It's hard sometimes... but if you had really wanted to, you could have. 

This lady told you that she tried!  Is that just not good enough for you?  Why would you say that she could have if she really wanted to.  That is like me saying "your child could take a bottle if you wanted him/her too!", you dont want someone saying that to you so why would you dare say something like that to her?  You nursing moms just think that us NON nursing moms are so horrible and not as good as you! Your wrong, just because I bottle fed doesnt mean that I love my kids any less.  Why dont you all just pump and put it a bottle for your children.... and if you really wanted to you could!  Your child is not going to starve to death, he/she will learn that the fake nipple has his/her milk!
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:55 pm PDT

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I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

Then your issue was not with her breastfeeding, but her lack of respect for those around her. Those few gives the rest of us a bad name. You're right, it was done in poor taste and for that, I'm sorry. Not all of us are as uncouth as that woman was. All we wish for is to be left alone in our decisions to breastfeed. I don't whip it out in front of anyone. So why should I still receive the nasty comments and rude looks?
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:56 pm PDT

condoms in schools? No way!

In the discussion about condoms, all you guys talked about was pregnancy and STD's.  What about the emotional damage that comes from having sex at such a young age.  I CAN NOT BELIEVE that you would actually condone condoms being available to junior high children.   They need to be taught that sex is a special sacred act between two people who are in love.  Personally, I believe it should be saved for marriage, but even if you don't agree with that, can't you agree that the emotional  ramifications of someone that young having sex should be addressed, not simply, "have fun, just don't get pregnant, here are some condoms?"  Crazy.  I don't think they should be available in high school either.  We do not need to condone this activity.  Abstinence is an option, and it should be taught. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 2:56 pm PDT

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I too am extremely offended when I see a baby being bottle fed or with a pacifier stuck in its mouth.  I think it is ugly and disgusting. 

It inteferes with how I am trying to raise my children.. to be healthy, to value babies and people, to discern what is true (breasts and mothers arms) and what is fake (bottles, pacifiers, baby swings, car seats as  infant holders). 

If you decide to have a baby....stay home, breastfeed, hold your baby, give of your self to your baby and someday he/she will do the same loving things for you when you are old and can't feed yourself, turn over in bed or even to talk to the person who you are completely in LOVE with and dependent upon. 

  

That would be so great it every one could breast feed. Just because you can be a stay at home mom does not mean the rest of us can. It is trully unfair for you to say if we choose to have a baby then we should have to give up our lives for our children. I think we train our children to grow with us and what we do. There is nothing wrong with someone feeding thier child with a bottle. If you had a pre-term baby who could not nurse and had to be fed by a syringe because there mouth could not suck properlly and then when they could, just did not like the breast maybe you would understand. My first child I nursed until he was a year old and I worked part time so he did have a bottle, it was breastmilk but you would not care. My second one grosed out on the breast at three months and did not want it anymore. Sometimes we dont get the perfect life I guess you have. So sorry if you every see me with my baby and his pacifier that I offended you!!!
 
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October 8, 2005, 2:56 pm PDT

Folks....

Let's remember to address the topic without personally attacking another member because their views are different from yours. We all can learn a lot from everyone's viewpoint, let's try to keep this discussion progressing in the manner intended. Thanks.

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 2:57 pm PDT

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A. I will continue to repeat this for awhile, but it is getting old- I never said you had to breastfeed in the bathroom.  

  

B. This was my point on the show- what are doing with your breast that you are so worried about the toilet seat or the walls or what not? There is nothing saying anything in this world is oh so sanitary. You have no garantees. But if you are being as subtle and careful as you say, then how is your breast suddenly going to become unsanitary just by being in the bathroom? 

And I will continue to say, though it's also getting old: 

Why don't you take your next meal into the bathroom and chow down.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 2:59 pm PDT

discipline and breast feeding

I have breastfed all 6 of my children in public.  It is safe to say that most people don't even realize what I'm doing.  It's easy to be discreet, there is no need for any woman to "whip it out." 

  

As far as the guest who seemed to be expecting people to understand that she can't possibly control 3 children at one time, I think she really needs to learn some new discipline kids.  I have 6 kids aged 11 months to 10 years and I can tell you that I have no problem taking them anywhere.  I could take them to the fanciest restaurant in town without worrying about their behavior.  It's simply a matter of setting expectations and following through with consequences.  Good behavior earns good consequences like dessert or a trip to the park afterwards, poor behavior earns poor consequences like no dessert or being taken out to sit in the vehicle with a hungry, unhappy parent while the rest of the family enjoys the meal.  I do not think that it is such a huge deal to expect a child to behave for an hour in a restaurant or at a friend's house or wherever.   

  

The same holds true for going to church with small children.  Set expectations, follow through with consequences.  If your church offers services at different times of the day, experiment and see if one time of day works better than another.  My DH and I have discovered that early morning works best, evening is terrrible.   

  

 

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October 8, 2005, 3:00 pm PDT

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No you are not, you are being intolerant.  Just because you find it unattractive doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.  So if you saw someone who had an unattractive face would you tell that person he/she should eat dinner in the bathroom because you didn't want to look at it.  No, you would look away.  Well...do the same thing for a nursing mom.  Have some respect for our mothers who are trying to do the best thing for our children.  You know what....it's not about you!!!!  It's not even about nursing mothers!!  It's about what's best for our children!!!!
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH, it is all about you nursing moms "doing the best thing for your baby" get over it already, no one is saying you cant breast feed, all that we are saying is do it in your own private area or home!  You dont have to do it in public!  Pump it and if your child gets hungry in public you have a back up plan.  Some public places is fine to nurse as long as your discreet.  But to nurse at a restaurant, bowling alley, playground..etc is just wrong!  And we dont have to see it!
 

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October 8, 2005, 3:00 pm PDT

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No I wouldn't find it offensive to see a mom breastfeeding her toddler.  I would think that she was awesome!  WHO (the world health organization) recommends breastfeeding for AT LEAST 2 years.  Most primates (which is what we are) average 6 years before total weaning.   

  

My 1st son nursed for 27 months and it nearly saved his life.  At 26 months he was very very ill.  The ONLY food he could keep in his tummy was my breastmilk.  Without it he would have been in the hospital from dehydration. 

  

OH and you might want to read the rest of the posts because there are a lot of other mothers who feel this way. 

So when does it become sexual abuse?  I think that 3 years old is total unexceptable!  At 6 years old a child has the teeth to chew food and the ability to poor him/her a glass of milk!  That is just totally disgusting! 
 
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