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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 9:11 pm PDT

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I breastfed in public, but I knew how to use those nifty receiving blankets to cover myself up. I have respect for others. I don't mind my children seeing me breastfeed, I do mind them seeing a strange woman's breast hanging out. Beacause whether you like it or not, the breast is very sexual and always has been. Have common courtesy and cover yourself up!!! 

As for condoms in school, yes!! Someone needs to teach your kids about sex and protection if you don't. I was also a teen mother, and I say sex is all over the TV, magazines, etc. What makes you think it's not all over school? I heard of kids having sex in school!! 

i don't know how long you breastfed your children, but i breastfed my oldest for 42 months, and he knows that breasts are for feeding babies..  i think yours should as well, and if they see a "strange womans breast hanging out" they will know it is for the purpose it was intended for, feeding a human baby human milk...  

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:15 pm PDT

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Why is it so important to so many women to not move an inch in respect of other people?  Do those of you who are so intensely passionate about this also passionate about public display of affection, smoking in public?  Should we urinate in public?   It's a natural process too.  In your daily activities do you ever think of others?  Or just yourself?
 Again, what about respect for the child? All we want to do is to feed our babies, nothing more, nothing less. Frankly, what would you rather see?? A child screaming because they're hungry? Or a nursing mother discretely nursing her child? Have you ever seen someone discretely nursing a child?  Why would we remove ourselves? Do you eat in secluded areas? Why should a baby?

First off, public display of affection is not required to nourish a child, nor is urinating or smoking in public. Why are you comparing feeding a baby to these things??

I'm speaking for myself, but yes, I did think of others, which is why I nursed discretely. The LAST thing I wanted to do was to flash someone.

I am thinking of my baby and her right to eat, but as I mentioned I will use discretion as do most nursing mothers. Why is this so difficult to understand?
 
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October 8, 2005, 9:19 pm PDT

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Why is it so important to so many women to not move an inch in respect of other people?  Do those of you who are so intensely passionate about this also passionate about public display of affection, smoking in public?  Should we urinate in public?   It's a natural process too.  In your daily activities do you ever think of others?  Or just yourself?

One could ask the same of you? My baby having lunch is truly that offensive to you. If you where ever near me while I was breast feeding you wouldn't even notice. In fact the only people who ever have are those who leaned in to see my babies face and I always received a smile. PDA is legal and I don't mind it. In truth I rarely have the opportunity to practice PDA my self, but I would love to kiss hubby in public more. My husband is a smoker, as long as it is legal he should still maintain his rights. Urinating is illegal and unsanitary. Breast feed is the act of nourishing a baby. I don't think any one eating is "attractive" and I am sure if I sat and stared or even thought about it for long I would lose my appetite.  

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:20 pm PDT

NIP AKA NURSING IN PUBLIC

It really confuses me that North Americans bicker about NIP when Muslim women who are shrouded head to toe in veils and burkas are allowed and encouraged to "whip it out" at any convenient time to nurse their young-lings and not even an eyelash is batted. HELOOoooOO! Do you get it now? IT IS OKAY!!! There is no shame in it at all. NOT SHAMEFUL! It's a necessary and vital part of raising healthy children.  

  

The WHO or World Health Organization BTW also endorses, encourages and recommends very strongly that our babies be breastfed until 2 YEARS of age at least! I breastfeed my 15 month old shamelessly and am not about to change my NIP behaviors. Why? It's part of being a good Mom and giving my DD the best start in life possible and that's all that any Mother ever wants to do for their kids.  

  

Have I tried covering up completely? Yes. I still try. Is it successful every time? Heck no, my DD just hates being covered. Should I hide then from public places? Heck no! If I did this every time she wanted to feed or be comforted then I  would never leave my home or I just would end up toting around a distraught, angry, screaming, and lets not forget mistrusting toddler. You'd notice me then for sure! One big secret I have learned is that a toddler that is being nursed on demand and responded to immediately is almost invisible. It's the child being denied or told to wait for nursing and that is throwing a kicking and screaming fit; that gets EVERYONES attention.  

  

Do I know about nursing shirts? Sure. I had one and it was useless. it covers a bit more back and belly however DD would push it up to my neck almost and fully expose me anyways. She just doesn't like stuff in her face while eating. Come to think of it, neither would I. No one would. Especially a new person just brought into this world 15 months ago that is exploring our world and learning about everything she sees for the first time ever! Can you imagine. Then eye contact too is key for her. She wants to see Moms face and hair and eyes. It's a special chill out time to get some Mommy time in too. Before you judge so hard imagine walking a mile in her baby booties for just a second. Would you want to be covered completely and denied Mommy's face and the world that stimulates you so intensely? Worse yet would you like to eat in a filthy and smelly public bathroom facility? Keep in mind a baby's sense of smell is much much keener than yours and mine! YUCK! 

  

No, I think I am just fine meeting my baby's needs as fast as humanly possible. (DD would agree!)If she'll peacefully nurse covered up today then fine with me. If not, then fine with me. It's her choice really. She can't talk yet and voice her needs so that's why I, her Mommy, is here today. I speak for her because if I don't then no one will. That's what loving Moms are for. Shame on others for judging our defenceless and innocent children. She nurses for love, comfort, nurishment and for many other reasons, too numerous to list. One thing that I do know for certain is that she does not nurse just to piss you off

  

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October 8, 2005, 9:21 pm PDT

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I am a mother and I breast feed my child but to me, it's a private thing, just like going to the bathroom or having sex and if I choose to feed my baby breast milk then I should treat it just as I do any other private thing. Okay, so god made boobs to feed babies. He also made sex and a penis to pee but we don't do it in public. This is not cave man times and we have homes. If you must take your newborn out.. which by the way would be not such a great idea, germ wise.. then you must find a way to privately feed. This is not something that has to be done in public. We don't live in a jungle without homes.
so i guess that as a full time working,  single mom of 2 kids , whose time is limited,  i should not feed my child out in public when i have to go get groceries or go to dr appointments?  i should have to schedule my entire life around the times i need to breastfeed my son?  i hardly think so...  and yes, plenty of men do pee in public...  have seen several on the side of the road many times, as well as outside of malls and such..  and who says i "must find a way to privately feed"?  you?  who died and made you god to decide what i "must" or must not do?
 
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October 8, 2005, 9:22 pm PDT

Missing the point

Breastfeeding in public.  Whats the harm.  The breast has become so sexual that it cannot be used for its intended purpose.  Sure we can see men walking around topless...nothing sexual there.  But if your a woman cover up?  Backwards. 

  

"its not attractive"? What a stupid comment.  Not worth commenting on that one.  I am a breastfeeding mother.  Every mother and child have this right.  Infants do not have patience.  Its a survival instinct.  A hungry baby will not "wait" until you've paid for your meal or you've gotten a "free stall" in the washroom.  They need to eat and eat right away.   

  

I'm just not good at nursing with a blanket! I've tried.  I used the blanket, I used a shawl...I tried to go to the bathroom, I would go to my car.  I was so uncomfortable and nervious that my milk would not let down.  My daughter wouldn't take a bottle and she would feel my tension trying to nurse in public.  I would try and "conceal" everything and nurse her.  She would pull and tug.  She would cry I would cry ...until one day I said I just don't care anymore!!!! LET THEM LOOK!  And out it came.  My breast bared and my baby finally happy.  10 mins.  Only 5 seconds of a bare breast.  Mom happy, baby happy and you know what.  No one around me even noticed! 

  

How often does it really happen to you nay sayers out there.  Is it really that bothersome?  I doubt it.  You just want to find something to complain about.  Get over it.  We have breasts for a reason.  Do the research bottles are not as beneficial to babies. Also if you offer it too soon to a baby that is too young they may reject the breast.  Breastfeeding is too beneficial to the baby to risk such a thing in order to save you 5 seconds of "embarrasment".  Again...get over it! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:23 pm PDT

Breastfeeding when there are older Children around

I have three sons, ages 9 and 7 years old and an 18 month old son.  I would NOT want my older two to see a mom breastfeeding her child with her breast exposed.  This would make my children uncomfortable and they are getting to the age where not only would it be funny to them but also possibly inappropriate for them to see, in my opinion.  I think breastfeeding is wonderful if you can do it, I did it with my eldest but couldn't produce enough milk after 7 weeks of trying and I had to stop.  I think it is fine IF the breast is covered, it is common-sense and courteous to others who might have older children or just might be uncomfortable with it.   

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:26 pm PDT

Karla--just kept making excuses!

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I can't believe that the woman with the three children is having another one.  I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous.  Most people do not say anything to spoiled kids in the grocery store or church, so if she is getting that many comments and glares than her kids are really bad!!!!!!!!!   She needs to look at what she is doing or not doing, and work on the three kids she has and STOP HAVING MORE KIDS!!!!!!!!!! While she is at it she needs to stop playing the victim.  She had these kids, at least take responsibility for their behavior.

Amen! I really hope Karla is reading Family First, as Dr.Phil advised her to. She just kept making up excuses about how she could not control her kids. Lady, you should have started disciplining your children the FIRST time they acted up because now they realize they can get away with it and have no idea about what is right and wrong or any boundaries. I have no problem with anyone having a larger number of kids, but please discipline and raise each one of them properly. If that is not something you can handle, do not have more! "It just happened" is not an excuse. 

  

Perhaps she would benefit from Supernanny. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:27 pm PDT

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I am a mother and I breast feed my child but to me, it's a private thing, just like going to the bathroom or having sex and if I choose to feed my baby breast milk then I should treat it just as I do any other private thing. Okay, so god made boobs to feed babies. He also made sex and a penis to pee but we don't do it in public. This is not cave man times and we have homes. If you must take your newborn out.. which by the way would be not such a great idea, germ wise.. then you must find a way to privately feed. This is not something that has to be done in public. We don't live in a jungle without homes.

If you must take your new born out...? Why should breast feeding mothers be limited because they choose to do the best for their babies. Luckily for all human breast milk is made with natural anti-bodies to keep your new born healthy. Becoming a hermit and never socializing your baby seems very extreme. Perhaps you have excepted exile, but I have a 2 year old and a husband as well as a baby. If they want to go out to the fair or out to eat I will not sit at home away from my family because we have a backwards society who thinks breast feeding has anything to do with sex. My baby is eating lunch. Seek help if an innocent infant makes you think of sex. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:28 pm PDT

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You go Shellyee!!!!!! Girl I got your back on this one!  It is their (breast feeding moms) way or no way!  They are just not smart enough to realize that they can still "give their children the best" and do it discretl 

You would think that these women would be smart, since they say they are all breast fed!  HA! 

They have come down hard on myself because I didnt choose to bf, well I have three very smart and healthy children.  BUt they seem to think that because my children had bottles and formula they are just dumb!  Its pretty sad to think that some milk is going to make a child dumb or smart!  Makes ya wonder what these breastfeeding moms are drinking?!?!?!?  

  

;oP 

First off, you are generalizing breastfeeding mothers. As I've said before MOST breastfeeding mothers ARE discrete.
 
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