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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:49 pm PDT

Debates!

Hi Dr. Phil.  I just HAVE to weigh in on these great debate topics. 

 

 

*Breastfeeding in public.  I have three young kids, and I nursed all of them.  Only once did was my actual breast on display, and that was b/c my daughter decided to flirt with the man sitting next to us.  She was looking at him, and he was checkin out the goodies.  Breastfeeding is a wonderful, natural process and our babies have a right to eat what we choose to feed them.  When I was breastfeeding at home, I'd do it topless.  When we were out in public, we'd cover up.  If it was too hot for a blanket, we'd go to the car.  BUT A BATHROOM IS DISGUSTING.  It was rare that people even realized I was holding a baby, much less feeding it.  I feel that breastfeeding is a personal decision and a personal physical sacrifice.  Breasts ARE multipurpose, more so in the US than anywhere else.  I think that it's fine to breastfeed in public if you're discreet.  It is RUDE to impose your beliefs on others, especially if it makes them uncomfortable.  It is also a good way to START imposing values of appropriate public behavior and private behavior. 

 

*Condoms in schools make me nauseous.  Hollywood has hijacked our sexuality.  It has mainstreamed sex and made it nothing but an animalistic act.  Teenagers are NOT capable of dealing with such a life changing act.  Sex outside of marriage is wrong.  What we, as a society need to do, is show kids why it is good to wait.  We need to bring families back together.  Kids need to see Mom and Dad showing each other affection.  And kids must be taught that sex is wonderful when it's appropriate.  I'm not stupid, I realize that the gradual decline to "free love" has been worsening.  We need to find a way to get back to the olden days, when a woman waited to give herself to her husband, and a man respected her enough to support 'their' decision. 

 

*Disciplining OTHER peoples' kids in public?  Dr. Phil, you nailed this one.  I'm a young mother with three kids.  It's hard to get out with them.  My oldest is four, my youngest is 18 months and I have an almost 3 year old squeezed in there.  My husband is gone a lot, and most of the raising is left up to me.  And I know of several times I've jerked a screaming kid out of a restaurant or grocery store...and I also apologize to other people.  In fact, just last week we were walking into church when my 18 month old son decided he needed to throw a fit.  So he collapsed on the sidewalk and cried, and people had to step over him.  One gentleman commented that he'd been "overtaken by the spirit of the LORD".  When he was done, I asked if he was ready to go in.  We walk in the foyer and he does it again.  So, back out we go, and repeat the sidewalk scene.  He did not disturb anyone.  Yes, it's embarassing, yes, it's difficult, but it is NOT appropriate for ANYONE to comment on my parenting styles.  My neighbor across the street is always giving me "pointers" and I wanna smack her.  It's rude, it's degrading and it's WRONG.  Perhaps a better approach, if a "discipliner" sees a mom having a tough time, he or she could say, "Really looks like you have your hands full, can I help?"  It's not that HARD people.  Reach out, be friendly, make someone's day easier.  Sometimes just talking to a crying or screaming kid is enough to scare them out of a good scream. 

 

 

Thanks for the great show, guys.  I'm a devoted watcher.  I generally agree with the good Doctor.  I love his ability to get immediately to the heart of a problem.  Keep up the great work! 

Casey 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:51 pm PDT

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 I"D generalize and say ALMOST ALL BF mother's are discreet. It's those few times when you are nursing and something unexpected happens: baby's moving hand moves the blanket, baby is suddenly upset and inconsolable and you have no blanket etc.       I am now TRYING NOT to be as discreet as much as I tend to naturally, just because of this board.    If I can go to the mall and have my nine year old boy have to stare at all the ads with WAY more boobs showing than I ever did, then you guys will have to deal with my BFIP>   I am WAY less compromising than most, I know. But I am sick of spending all this time worrying about what all you naysayers think when you don't give a rap about all the daily hassles of being a BF mom of multiple kids.    No consideration from you, none from me. And the law's on MY side.

If being a mom is a hassle, then maybe you need counseling.   Yes, when something unexpected happens, you just have to do the best you can and take care of the child. 

  

I am for breastfeeding in public, just be descreet. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:53 pm PDT

Good One Mom

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I have three sons, ages 9 and 7 years old and an 18 month old son.  I would NOT want my older two to see a mom breastfeeding her child with her breast exposed.  This would make my children uncomfortable and they are getting to the age where not only would it be funny to them but also possibly inappropriate for them to see, in my opinion.  I think breastfeeding is wonderful if you can do it, I did it with my eldest but couldn't produce enough milk after 7 weeks of trying and I had to stop.  I think it is fine IF the breast is covered, it is common-sense and courteous to others who might have older children or just might be uncomfortable with it.   

  

Yes, Mom, great strategy! You're teaching your boys to be filled with fear and disgust upon seeing a female's breast. Wow. I'm sure they'll all be great getting dates and not to mention those lucky ladies that eventually might choose to marry them one day. I am sure they will go on to someday have uncomfortable sex after much therapy and counseling, and perhaps even have children of their own. Then they can in turn feed those babies in shame and discomfort too. What's even better those children will learn too to be afraid and uncomfortable about their own bodies and so repeat the entire cycle for generations to come. Good idea. 

  

Angela 

  

PS. I am being SO very sarcastic here, I can't even express it enough. 

  

PPS. Children are born pure hearted, innocent and uncorrupted. The responsibility of a parent is to teach their children. You essentially start with a clean slate. Parents make choices everyday about how to influence, teach and guide their kids. I know I will be very careful and aware of what I decide to teach my kids. I will strive everyday to make sure my lessons are positive in nature. (IE, naked people are not evil, just merely naked.) I am not willing to pass alone my negative, destructive and corrupt "hang-ups" and impose my will upon theirs. Did you perhaps stop to consider that when your children say they are uncomfortable with any particular situation that it leaves you an open window to discuss it frankly and openly with them first? To explore the possibilities and teach them with loving guidance all of the possible positive ways of framing their concerns, and then letting them decide for themselves what they think or feel? Kids are very smart and not dumb by any stretch of the imagination. They don't need adults to think for them. They sure don't need narrow minded negative adults imposing their ill wills on them. The only reason why a child would ever be ashamed of nudity of any degree is if it was somehow TAUGHT that way to them. By you or anyone else. (It's understandably common for sexual abuse victims to have this viewpoint for example.) I don't think that truly your children are uncomfortable with Nursing in Public, anyhow. I think YOU are. I think you should seek out help if you are infact threatened by a nude human form for whatever reason. Especially if all it takes to send you over the deep end is just the sight of a tiny portion of a BF'ing mothers breast that is only exposed temporarily and only for a very practical (and essential,) use. Get help for yourself if this seems so. If your children have been corrupted and taught that boobs are disgusting for whatever reason, again, find them help. It could be quite serious. (No kidding here, I mean this.) 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:54 pm PDT

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In all my 51 years on this planet, I have never witnessed a mother breastfeeding her child in public who was not discreet.  I can't see what all the shootin' is about!  Some buy special clothes (from Motherwear etc) while others lift or separate her blouse/shirt enough for the young one to feed.  Some drape a blanket, but I always hope the little one doesn't get suffocated.  Usually it is hard to even know that a baby is feeding at the breast.  However, if the mother does expose more than is needed, I don't understand why all the uproar.  I see more than that on billboards, TV, and in public every day.  At least the mother who is breastfeeding has an excellent, God-given excuse if a bit of her breast is exposed.  I am so proud of the mother who spoke up for baby's rights on the show.  And, SHAME on the selfish woman who feigned disgust.  My whole family was disapointed in Phil's lack of support for the unrestrained rights of breastfeeding mothers. 
Well said.  I breastfed three kids and was never criticized.  Had I been, I probably would have bristled, just as this young woman did. I was still pretty discreet.  I would drape myself in SOMETHING. But  BREASTS ARE EVERYWHERE.  I'm sure that if the prude was looking in a magazine instead of gawking at the woman feeding the kid, then she would have seen MUCH more in perfume ads!  .
 
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October 8, 2005, 11:57 pm PDT

BINGO!

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As my mother always told me .... People with no kids have all the answers. 

And, you don't even have to ask they will give them to you.  

Yea! Who said we have the right to think or have opinions?? We aren't educated, thinking, feeling human beings, so we shouldn't be allowed to speak. Is that what you think?? Riiiiiigggghhhhtttt. Because having a child just automatically makes you a genius.
 

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October 8, 2005, 11:58 pm PDT

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comparing my child to my friends children who were not breastfed, there is a HUGE difference..  i did not say that breastfed children do not get sick, or that formula fed children get sick more, i simply stated that i attribute MY childs good health to breastfeeding..  funny though, his dr does as well...
 Go ahead and say that formula fed children get sick more! It's TRUE! There are always individual exceptions to every rule, but statistically, formula fed children do get sick, especially with certain illnesses (like ear infections), more often than breastfed children.
 
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October 9, 2005, 12:03 am PDT

NICE PICTURE

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 You're acting like breasts are sex organs or something. "Flashers" are people who expose their genitals, not people who expose non-sexual body parts...

I LOVE YOUR PICTURE! HOW LOVING AND BEAUTIFUL! 

  

Angela 

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:11 am PDT

The 'breastfeeding' debate

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amen!!

Breastmilk may be better, but why make people who can't breastfeed for whatever reason, medical, for example, why make those mothers feel like they aren't giving their children the best?  Its not fair.  Many children weren't breastfed and ended up happy, intelligent, healthy adults, should they be made to feel bad because they weren't breastfed?  Its a choice.  And for those who cannot breastfeed, I think its cruel to go on and on about how much better breastfed babies are.  And as for those who shouldn't say things because they don't have children, maybe they can't, so rubbing it in their face a little more is just mean.   

Women who choose to breastfeed in public, as long as they are well covered and discrete, its fine, but women who don't want to 'cover up' are just doing it to get someone to stare or 'make a statement'  in which case, I'd just ignore them anyway.   

  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:12 am PDT

Sexually Repress Much?

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My mother taught me to keep my top on public. My parents also taught me to respect for others peoples feelings.

My Mom taught me to keep my top on in public too. I always do too, imagine that. Even when breastfeeding, somehow with the magic of being a Mom I figured out that breastfeeding does not require disrobing in any matter. Infact no Mom feeding their baby via the breast to my knowledge has ever removed their top to perform this task. If you were ever witness to this act once upon a dream, then I do deeply sympathize for how traumatic that must have been for you. I RESPECT how that must have made you FEEL! Pray tell... where is this place that the naked person was sited breastfeeding so that I can warn others to avoid this place at all costs, okay? Thanks muchly. 

  

Angela 

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:14 am PDT

sooo niave

You guys who dont think condoms should be given out in schools are in for a big shock when your daughter comes home pregnant.  Boys are very good at what they do, but they do not want to go into a store and buy condoms!  So not cool.  Your daughters are to uncomfortable to do the same thing.  Lets be serious now, you teach them not to have sex, but tv, movies, music, peers, magazines, commercials....every single thing is teaching them the complete opposite, YOUR OUTNUMBERED!  And really, how often do your kids listen to you?  You teach kids not to smoke, but youre still watching them to make sure they dont!  You have to take precautions.  Kids will be kids they make mistakes.  Teach them abstinance, but give them a place to go when they arent going to listen!  Because most kids wont! 
 
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