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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 9, 2005, 11:12 am PDT

breastfeeding

 I just want to put in my voice about breastfeeding in public.  I find it very odd that anyone would expect a mother to cover up if she is to breastfeed her babe in public. What nonsense!

Our breasts are not here for sexualizing. An exposed breast is not indecent when feeding her child. Only due to the gross amount of sexualizing  women's breasts by our society (especially in advertisement) is the exposed breast considered indecent. Of course this can only remain a reality if you choose to believe that an exposed breast is indecent. The less you choose to buy into the sexualization of women's breast the less you will see a woman with exposed breasts feeding her child as indecent.

Our breast are designed to make the perfect food to feed our babes. Nothing more. If you partner is turned on by your breasts, more power to you and him/her. But one must understand the breasts original purpose and design.

If you have a problem with seeing a woman use her breasts for their original purpose then you must understand that it is YOUR OWN PROBLEM and no one else's.  And the woman you see feeding her babe is not responsible for the problem(s) you have. Only you are responsible for your feelings, and only you are responsible for your actions.

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October 9, 2005, 11:14 am PDT

DEBATE

Quote From: ibfnpublic

yeah, it provides accomodation for everyone but the mothers who don't have or can't afford a pump..  discretion is acceptable and as it has been said many many most nursing moms are discreet in public!  but showing 10 seconds or less of boob while trying to latch a baby on is NOT the same as exposing yourself specifically to make others stare, as it has been implied several times here...  all of you boobaphobics need to get a life!
YOUR RECKLESS COMMENTS TAKE CREDIBILITY AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT.  WE ARE ALL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS SO NECESSARY TO BE SO NONDISCREET.  I DON'T THINK VERY MANY WOMEN ARE BOOBAPHOBICS, JUST LOOKING FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION TO BE PRESENTED SO ALL CAN BE COMFORTABLE.  I ASKED ABOUT PUMPING FOR SOME GOOD INFORMATION THAT I DID NOT KNOW SINCE I COULDN'T NURSE.  I GOT THREE VERY GOOD LETTERS HELPING ME UNDERSTAND.  THIS SUBJECT COULD PROVIDE INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION IF THERE WASN'T SO MUCH DEFENSIVENESS.  I HOPE I CLEARED UP MY REASONS FOR ASKING.  BY THE WAY, I NEVER THINK A MOM SHOULD HAVE TO REMOVE HERSELF TO A BATHROOM.  NURSING IS A GIFT AND IF NURSING MOMS CAN PRESENT IT IN A GENTLE, CONSIDERATE WAY THEN I THINK OTHERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WILL BECOME A LITTLE MORE EDUCATED.  THE B/F MOM ON THE SHOW WAS SO DEFENSIVE THAT SHE GAVE THE VIEWERS THE IMPRESSION THAT SHE WASN'T A CONSIDERATE PERSON IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.  DR. PHIL SHOULD HAVE HAD BETTER REPRESENTATION ON BOTH SIDES ALONG WITH INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS NURSING MOTHERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH SO WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS BETTER.CMH
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:19 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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Yea! Who said we have the right to think or have opinions?? We aren't educated, thinking, feeling human beings, so we shouldn't be allowed to speak. Is that what you think?? Riiiiiigggghhhhtttt. Because having a child just automatically makes you a genius.

That's not what she said.....Shelly...I have read many of your quotes and you just keep twisting things around. A bit defensive are we? 

  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 11:21 am PDT

Breastfeeding in Public OK?

I work in a medical facility, and I know how important breastmilk is for a child.  I dont see any harm of breastfeeding in the public.  I have a question for those who dont feel its right.  What are you ashamed of?  Is it seeing a breast? Give me a break, we are all adults and we have all seen breast before.  I know you look at yours everyday when you shower.  When you are hungry, dont you eat something anywhere anytime? So why shouldnt a breastfeeding mom be able to breastfeed her child? That was one of the tools God gave us women breast for.  By the way, if you dont like it, turn around and look in the other direction. 
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:24 am PDT

Breastfeeding...

     I breastfed my three children and think it is completly natural thing to do, and a "by" product is my children think that is how babies should be fed.  Sometimes I think women who don't agree with Breastfeeding should not be allowed to have children, then the survival of the fittest so to speak will be that everyone breastfeeds, and then this will not be an issue and you can breastfeed where ever you are and nobody will have a problem with it.  

     I saw a woman breastfeeding in church this morning, discreetly,  and that was beautiful, and I think God's plan that you can take nourishment for your baby with you, and you don't need to warm it up, it is already the right temperature, and available when ever the child needs it.    

 
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October 9, 2005, 11:27 am PDT

sheesh

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Do you have children?  My first two refused a bottle.  If I fell off the face of the earth, they would have ended up in the hospital...they flat out refused a bottle.  What about that?
well feed them with your nipples then! the debate is doing it IN PUBLIC are you in public all day?? No I don't think so People the debate is about breastfeeding in public.  Try feeding them before you leave home. And to the lady that showed a picture of herself breastfeeding her baby in a hospital room.  You have gotten off the topic, the discussion is not about breastfeeding your baby, its about doing it where everyone can see it.
 
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October 9, 2005, 11:27 am PDT

what?

Quote From: outsider1

What I would like to know is why you need to show your breast?  The baby is still eating if s/he is covered up.  That's why many people feel that women who just expose their breast while breastfeeding are flaunting themselves.  What I find very funny is that women wouldn't want their children to see bare breasts on television but it's okay to look at them if a child is hanging off of it?  A boob is a boob.  The only difference between the two is that the ones on television look better! *lol* 

  

Amanda 

 Geez, society should give you an A for aesthetic brainwashing.  SO obviously you've seen breasts on TV, but somehow nursing mothers have to cover up? And we are going to be made to feel bad because our bodies aren't 'perfect' , and that's why we can't give our babies good nutrition without having to go through hell?   MOST aren't TRYING to show their breast, don't you realize that? It's the ODD circumstance that causes anyone to be shown anything at all.  But even if it wasn't, who cares?  I guess you better not watch the discovery channel or anything. Might see some breasts that aren't perfect!

 
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October 9, 2005, 11:28 am PDT

Thank you

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I just wanted you to know that I never leaked, at least not early on.  And  yet my baby was thriving, and that's how I knew milk was coming out when she nursed.  I'm not challenging you at all, but I thought the same thing with my first, panicked, gave him bottles, and that was the beginning of the end of breastfeeding for us.  I was able to breastfeed my daughter and never supplement with formula, because by that time I had come into contact with LLL and was better prepared for all the possibilities -- including the fact that I might not know for sure whether she was getting enough.  It's not always exactly the way the books tell you it will be.   

  

I'm sorry you wanted to bf so badly and couldn't.  I have been there.  I know now, since I was able to nurse my daughter, that I could have nursed my son, too, with the right support and information.  So many women are getting incorrect information from doctors and books.  I would truly encourage you that if you want to try again to contact LLL while you are still pregnant.  It made the entire difference for me!   

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I am so glad that it did turn out well for you. 

  

It was an issue that I could not. I was using that as one example of how I became aware that there may be a problem. There were others. I could not and it was something that was discussed with my physician. My Grandmother had lost her 1st born actually from the same thing. Not saying it is hereditary and if someone in your family has something similar happen you shouldn't try. It was not my 1st choice to bottle feed but in the end it worked out for all of us. My children are 13 & 10 now and both are straight A students and very seldom become ill. We have a great relationship and I am not at all second guessing that bottle fed children don't have the opportunity to grow to be healthy, happy honorable adults. There are always going to be things that happen in life that may not follow text books guidelines. We just need to try to make the best of our circumstances and not be judge mental. That was my main point to begin with. To not be judge mental when you may not be aware of all the details. 

Again thank you very much for sharing your experience. It shows that some circumstances may be similar but the end result may be different and it will only help others understand not everybody's bodies always work as designed. 

 

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October 9, 2005, 11:31 am PDT

breast feeding in public

I breast fed my youngest son 24/7 that first year.. and a good 23/7 the next.. had I not bf'd in public.. I'd have been in the house for the next 2 years at least...   as a society we need to remember that mothers need to get out of the house, they need to be around other people, and babies need to be out in the world too. 

I was discreat, I didn't use a cover up/blanket.. my children wouldn't keep the blanket on .. but I had shirts that helped keep me covered..and I never had a problem. 

the only issues I EVER had was my in laws and that was in their home, they kept sticking me in a small office with a couch, for hours on end.  Charming.. of course.. this gave me a reason to not go there.. so it all worked out for me on that note. 

I've seen more naked flesh peddling cars than I have ever seen at an LLL meeting. 

Most women are discreat and so I don't see a problem here.  I've breast fed all over the place, resturaunts, museams, parks, libraries, grocery store... 

  

and no.. not in a smelly, gross little bathroom 

  

as I said my youngest was suckling for hours a day, I'd never have gotten a thing done had I not just taken him out and about. 

 

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October 9, 2005, 11:32 am PDT

pumping

I couldn't pump, the milk just wouldn't flow... but my son could nurse and get enough milk, but he also wouldn't take a fake nipple, nor when we tried other things was that working. 

  

we tried to pump/have daddy feed them.. 

  

it didn't work for us, I know it works for others 

  

but I can't imagine adding more time by pumping as well as breastfeeding 24/7. 

  

  

 
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