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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 9, 2005, 12:00 pm PDT

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I don't care how knowledgeable you think you are, if you don't have kids, you have no right to discipline anyone Else's.  You NEVER know what it is like to be a mom until you are one. 

I am a mom and if your kid is beating on other kids, engaging in dangerous behavior to themself or others, kicking the back of my seat when unaccompanied and you aren't available to speak to, I'm going to yell at your kid. I will approach them with a polite request first, more firmly the second, and a flat out yell if I have to ask a 3rd time. If you're available, I'll talk to you first, if not it is my responsibilty as a member of society and as an adult to provide direction and/or help to kids that may or may not know better. 

  

As a mom I'm rather surprised you would object to someone else trying to look out for the welfare of your child. I greatly appreciate the enormous help I've received from family, friends and even the occassional stranger in "putting a leash" on my son when he was doing something dumb. It does take a village to raise a child and I've got a great kid because of it. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:07 pm PDT

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Why do people keep saying this I have NEVER taken my top off or gone topless in public!! Have you personally seen a breastfeeding woman take her top off and nurse her child?? 

  

Again I would like to know if you feel breastfeeding is ok 'if' a woman DOES take others feeling to mind and does it discreetly?? If she is covered? 

  

I was taught not to stare and to respect others feelings. So is anyone thinking of the babies feelings here?? Should the baby have to wait? The mother and other grown adults should care more about the babies feeling than their own? I personal put my children first, even above myself. 

Why do people keep saying this I have NEVER taken my top off or gone topless in public!! 

This does not mean you can account for everyone. This means you can account for yourself. 

  

Again I would like to know if you feel breastfeeding is ok 'if' a woman DOES take others feeling to mind and does it discreetly?? If she is covered?  

I have yes thousands and thousands of times. People say they are reading my answers, but I am wondering........... 

  

I was taught not to stare and to respect others feelings. So is anyone thinking of the babies feelings here?? Should the baby have to wait? The mother and other grown adults should care more about the babies feeling than their own? I personal put my children first, even above myself. .  

It is your child and you should think of it first. But if you bring the child into a public setting like a restauraunt, are you really saying that everybody in that entire restauraunt needs to consider your childs needs first above all else? There are people in this world who are finished raising their children and don't want to go through it again with someone elses. Their are people who have made a conscience decision NOT to have children and do not want to deal with someone else's. Do that make everyone a baby hater? No.  

  

You said it yourself- it's your baby and therefore your responsibility. YOURS, not everybody elses. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:07 pm PDT

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The woman against public breastfeeding on the show made it sound as if the mothers breastfeed in public because we think it is beautiful.  She said that she just did not find it appealing so we should not do it.  I breast fed each of my babies for at least a year, and I'd like to point out that I never, ever breast fed in public to be appealing to anyone.  I did so to feed a hungery infant in the absence of a more clean and private place.  Many a time I lugged a child back to a parked car, but this is not always more private (like in front of a packed movie theater).  A rest room is an unacceptable place unless it has a lounge area.  A more prominent issue may be that there are not many nursing lounges provided to nursing mothers.  I certainly used them if they were available, but they are few and far between.  I would choose a bench in a public area over a toilet in a public restroom!  I also feel compelled to mention that a new baby may need to breast feed every hour or two for the first couple months, then every 3 or 4 for several months after that.  If a mother chooses to give her baby the benefit of breastfeeding, they should not be banished from public for several months.  I'd encourage restaurants to have privacy booths for mothers with new babies, stores to have lounges, malls to have family restrooms with nursing stations!  The new mothers will go there and spent time, and money!  As for the ones with all the hang-ups about seeing a glimps of a breast, get over it!!!  Nothing obscene is going on!  Grow up, read a book!  This is how man evolved, it is natural!  O.k., that is enough.
I totally agree that b/f moms are not provided with enough acceptable places to feed their child.  Whenever there is such a room where I can feed my son, I will use it.  In the absence of such a room, my son will be fed in public.  Yes I cover myself, but that is not feasible for all moms. 
 
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October 9, 2005, 12:08 pm PDT

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I can't believe that lady in the show said "it isn't atractive". It is not suposed to be atractive! And when she said that a mother should take her baby in the washroom to nurse him... Come on! How stupid is that!!! If you are in a restaurant where a mother nurses her baby you can't tell her to go in the washroom... it disgustes you, why don't you take your plate and go and eat in the washroom. If it's good enough for a baby, it's good enough for you as well.
 
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October 9, 2005, 12:11 pm PDT

less cover up, more shut up

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i hope the women who do breast feed in public do have courtesy to cover up, i don't think they should have to go to the restroom in the restaurant or at the park , JUST COVER UP not all wants to see your boob flopping in the wind, for me I did not breast feed, but if I were to, with my second child, I will be discreet about it. And as far as it is our rights to breast feed in public , YES it is , but the whole restaurant , or kids in the park don't have to see it, these women say , "look the other way" Everybody gets offended by something, and I know it is a natural thing, but have respect for others and just cover up, I had to change my sons diaper in a booth, once at a restaurant, gee guess what no one knew what i was doing. Again Please respect others and just cover up some skin    

The problem is that "discreet" is a subjective term. How could you legislate "decency" when there is no agreement on what it means.  

  

About the diaper...I wouldn't know about that, I practice elimimation communication with my kids so they don't wear diapers. When they have to go to the bathroom I bring them and hold them over the toilet.  

  

So, let's review...breastfeed at the table, pee and poop in the bathroom. 

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:14 pm PDT

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I am expecting a little girl in two months, I also plan to breastfeed her.  However, I am not going to nurse in public because I personally wouldn't be comfortable exposing myself.  It wouldn't bother me if someone else needed to nurse in public, after all it is perfectly natural. 

I do think that making contraception available at school is a very good idea.  My children are small but if / when the time comes I would much rather they use a condom than become pregnant or contract a STD that might kill them. 

If you think for one second a lack of contraception is going to stop premarital sex you really need to get your head out of the sand.  Teen pregnancy is not something that only happens to poor, uneducated, single parent homes.  It affects every income level, and every family structure.  You would be doing your child a tremendous favor by having an open minded discussion about birth control and not being judgemental.  By the way, I am a married lady, an avid church goer, and a registered voter.  Also my family income is $85,000 and I am college educated. 

I too thought that I would not be comfortable nursing in public when I had my daughter a year ago. But you will see that as you and the baby become more comfortable latching on and nursing, you can be very discrete and nurse in public no problem. It took about a month  for me to actually be able to nurse and no one around me really know what I was doing. I practiced at home and at family members houses until I got it down. The chioce is ultimately yours but give nursing some time and it becomes a lot easier. By the time was daughter was 2 months old it was like second nature and I never once exposed myself to anyone. In fact, some of the time I felt more comfortable not using a blanket because that draws attention to what is happening. I had shirts made for nursing and people just thought I was holding my baby. It can be done without exposing yourself in the least bit.
 
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October 9, 2005, 12:17 pm PDT

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I dont mind woman breast feeding ther children... and if people dont like it, they schould look the other way around... The babys have to get something to eat when they are hungry... 

  

When i get my own children oneday, i will not breastfeed them infront of my family or friends, only when its  my husbund and myself, cause Im not comftible enough to show my breast in front of people, but that im doing for my own comfort sake and not others, and so it should be visa versa, people schould do what they are comftible with and if other people dont like it, then its their problem in that situation in my apinion 

  

Love Anna 

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:19 pm PDT

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Rude people are everywhere, including women who insist on baring their breasts in public on the flimsy excuse that they are breast-feeding, not giving a damn about kindness or respect for others. During my pediatric internship, I found that the women who refuse to show discretion when breast feeding in public are almost always small breasted when their breasts are not engorged with milk, and feel insecure/inhibited sexually. They use the excuse of breast feeding to show off their breasts in public because they can convince themselves that it this is a morally, if not socially, acceptable way to show off their new, bigger breasts. Those who are emotionally and sexually secure, and endorse public breast feeding do it with respect and modesty, acklowledging and respecting that some natural acts are not meant to be done with no restraint in public places, and acknowledging that the breast IS a sexual object, NOT just a source of food for infants. My compassion goes out to the women who are so psychologically challenged , they need to hide behind and use their babies to become sexual exhibitionists. There are plenty of socially acceptable venues to do that, and family restaurants are NOT socially acceptable venues. Farting and belching are equally natural parts of eating for all people, not just babies, and thank goodness most people are kind and respectful and don't just "let one rip" while they are eating in public, simple because it's natural process to pass gas from both ends while eating.    

  

Joy, M.D. 

What a QUACK!!!! 

  

Pediatric internship did you say???? I am sorry...is your expertise in breast feeding? What the heck would you know about it...have you breast fed? Have you had a baby? Has your body experienced the physical and emotional changes of giving birth? Do you know in the beginning it takes a bit of practice to get the baby to latch on...where are you seeing these small breasted women...in your office???? If you know all this or you are a women who experienced this then maybe you are the small breasted insecure one.  

  

My pediatrician encouraged me to breastfeed in the office during a long wait WITHOUT JUDGMENT and provided me the privacy to do so. (ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING). Not only that they encouraged me to do so after the baby had their shots...FOR COMFORT.  

  

By the way DOC breasts were made for breast feeding...yes we use them as a sexual object..but as the Dr you claim to be you should know that. Nor should  you be so insecure about it. I have a hard time believing you graduated from medical school and a re a practicing pediatrician with those views. Your poor patients!!!!!! 

  

How can you compare and adult passing gas at the table to a baby nursing...you are definitely a QUACK!!!!!!! 

  

Do you honestly get to know these new mothers so well to pass such insaine judments?  My compassion goes out to these poor mothers you are in contact with. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:26 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in public

I am the mother of an 12 month old and I nursed her until she was 7 months old and for some reason at that time my milk dried up. I loved nursing her and I did it in public. But I never once exposed myself to anyone. I did get looks but I recieved most of them when I did use a cover up like a blanket. Most of the time I wore nursing shirts and no one was the wiser to me nursing (Of course I was not very fashionable, but it was a tradeoff). It looked like I was just holding my baby. Granted I only got to nurse until she was 7 months old and I know nursing an older child may be harder to do like I did.  I practicied nursing at home discretely before I went out in public and did it and that was for me more than anyone else. I think just as many nursing moms are just as embarassed if there is accidental exposure as is the person seeing it. I know I would be.  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 12:27 pm PDT

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Quote From: wpgangela

My Mom taught me to keep my top on in public too. I always do too, imagine that. Even when breastfeeding, somehow with the magic of being a Mom I figured out that breastfeeding does not require disrobing in any matter. Infact no Mom feeding their baby via the breast to my knowledge has ever removed their top to perform this task. If you were ever witness to this act once upon a dream, then I do deeply sympathize for how traumatic that must have been for you. I RESPECT how that must have made you FEEL! Pray tell... where is this place that the naked person was sited breastfeeding so that I can warn others to avoid this place at all costs, okay? Thanks muchly. 

  

Angela 

You breastfeed your child in public with your top on? Right through the fabric?? Is that something you can teach other mothers to do also??
 
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