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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 9, 2005, 3:09 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: outsider1

Hmmm.  What's more disgusting.  A bottle or pacifier or a droopy, saggy, stretchmark covered breast?  There's no competition there.  It's the droopy, saggy, stretchmark covered breast that's disgusting! 

There is nothing more beautiful than a lactating breast.  It gives life and it gives love.  Again, don't look at the breast.  I'm sure the saggy, stretch marked mother doesn't want you to anyway.  Perhaps you can spend the time looking into your soul!
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:09 pm PDT

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On public breastfeeding: I don't understand how folks can get so worked-up over this. How often does anyone even witness this in public? I've waited tables for many years in various family-friendly neighborhood restaurants and can count the number of times I've noticed folks breastfeeding on one hand. OK, maybe I'm busy, don't notice, whatever. But I also eat out quite a bit and have NEVER noticed someone breastfeeding nearby. I've always attributed this to our (to me) unhealthy attitudes towards the body here in the U.S. I recall a billboard here in Big D that at one time had an ad of a naked supermodel (I think the add was for PETA); no problems. Later that year, a billboard on that same expressway showed a lovely black & white of a nursing mother, (breast with baby attached); LOTS of complaints. What is weird and surprising about this is that it seems to be WOMEN who complain. What IS the deal? Also, in response to the woman on the show who finds it  "unattractive", I have to confess, I find obese folks unattractive to the point of being disgusted and put off my lunch. But I consider that a weakness on my part, and not a point for debate in the public sector. You won't see me on Dr. Phil arguing that fat people should stay home.  

On "disciplining" other's children: As a waitress in neighborhood restaurants, I have had the opportunity to witness all kinds of folks of all ages at their worst. Families come in, they are hungry, they are tired, they are in a hurry, and the parents apparently cannot be bothered to mind the behavior of their kids. ON A DAILY BASIS I have seen kids of all ages running about the restaurant, going in and out of the bathroom, standing in front of the kitchen door, screaming, throwing SOCKS, lying about in the booths, sitting ON TOP of the booths, etc. Once I was standing at a booth of 4 adults and 2 kids, and one of the kids (about 6 years old) was lying in the booth, feet out, and as I stood there, she KICKED ME. The parents did/said nothing, just kept looking at their menus. She kicked me again, and I said "Ow!" Again, nothing from the parents. Then another kick, and I said "don't do that again, that hurts, and if you do that again, I won't come back to the table." The adults looked  at me like I was Satan, and one simply invited the child  to sit up in the booth.   What I said was not disciplining the child, it was letting her know my boundaries as a fellow human being. Kids need to be exposed to the perspectives of their neighbors, whether the parents agree or not. The parents are responsible for raising their children with ethics of  which they, (the                 parents) approve. If those principals are strong, they can withstand the occaissional challenge. I understand that parents live in fear these days, from sexual predators, etc. But we are kidding ourselves if we think that teaching kids that zero respect for other's feelings equals safety. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:10 pm PDT

How judgemental

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How do you know nothing was coming out?  

  

You realize that less than 1% of women worldwide can't breastfeed, right? 

  

If the softspot on his head was sunken in and he had stopped producing wet diapers, then he was malnourished. Otherwise, you were paranoid. 

  

Did you consult with a lactation specialist? How about LLL? Did you try oatmeal, tea and fenugreek? How about Relegan (sp?) Assuming that you really did have a diminished supply, did you use a supplimental nursing system so that whatever milk you produced went directly to your child while they were being supplimented with formula?  

  

Or did you assume you were not making enough, fed formula in a bottle because you didn't know what else to do and then assumed that your children didn't want your breast after that? 

  

You can still breastfeed even if you have to give formula. If you want to breastfeed you shouldn't give bottles because it causes nipple confusion. If you have low supply issues, you need to nurse MORE and not bottle feed. If your kid is malnourished you know because their temples, eyes and soft-spots sink in and they are lethargic and don't urinate... you can boost your supply with an SNS. 

  

There is probably no reason at all why you couldn't have breastfed. It's hard sometimes... but if you had really wanted to, you could have. 

How judgemental can you be??? The poor girl tried and was apparently upset that she couldn't. You can't beat somebody up for that. 

  

Are you a lactaide specialist???? Sometimes the well is just dry...not all women can do it. AND THATS OKAY!!!!!! And if it comes easy...its hard to be sensitive to that. Fortunatly I had no problems with my two children...however every case is different. By the way...I suplemented with my second and he did not have nipple confusion... 

  

I am pro-breastfeeding for me..but against judging people who bottlefeed. Who are we to judge personal choice? (and for some they don't have a choice!!!!) 

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:10 pm PDT

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Quote From: mordsith83

I wouldnt do it in public and I did breastfeed. I also dont want to see it , but  I dont want to stick them in the bathroom to do it. Since I don't know the solution to this problem Im not going to judge your opinions. 

Gorgeous kid... The whole point of my message was that breastfeeding moms don't have to expose their breast. I breastfed and never did, you cover up. Not every family wants their family members to see strangers private parts. I have only seen 1 women expose herself when feeding her baby and it just had to be in a restaurant facing me . I was out on a romantic supper to celebrate our anniversary. I can let you know it was "RUINNED". I am just glad I wasn't drinking milk because I might of exposed something too... I have a very weak stomac...I am sure a different senario would have unfolded if this person was a close relative or friend.
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:15 pm PDT

Victoria Secret and Budwiser...

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 NO     Victoria's Secret  and Budweiser aren't DISCREET.   I don't have to be either. 
That was actually really funny!  Good one.  In my opinion, there is too much exploitation of women in the media.  Why are there so many 1/2 naked women on tv?  I don't see men being advertised like that.  Oh, boy.  What a world.
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:15 pm PDT

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Quote From: shellyee

I have discretion and manners, get some. 

  

For a mom, you are spending a lot more time on line worried about me than you seem to be spending with your children. You might want to check that.  

LOL! My kids take naps and sleep in the late evening. Church today was lovely and the park after was wonderful. then we had reading time with lunch. Nap time followed. I took about 20 minutes to be online to look at board.  perhaps you don't know what you are talking about, no surprise.  

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:16 pm PDT

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Quote From: appsas

Not all babies will take a bottle (mine).  Trust me, I tried ... hard!  Unless you've had a child of your own, you couldn't possibly know about this little issue called 'nipple confusion' ... probably more information than you want, but there are reasons why pumping isn't as easy as you might think.

I agree with you....Also... 

  

Pumping also does not provide the same suction as a baby does. It worked for me...but it is not the answer for everyone. Also...it takes time. Wheather you are working outside or in the home...time can be a factor. In addition Milk supply can vary with each woman...as well as the infants capacity to suck. 

  

It is amazing..the people who have the strongest opinions have: NO KIDS, HAVE NEVER BREAST FED, HAVE NEVER PUMPED, OR HAVE NEVER BOTTLE FED. 

  

Geez!!!! 

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:20 pm PDT

Radical

Quote From: mommyof5

I have 5 kids and I don't want them to see bottlefeeding. I have spent a lot of time breastfeeding them only to be undermined by our bottlfeeding culture that pushes bottlfeeding. It is heart wrenching to me to see them play with their dolls by bottlefeeding them. I don't allow baby bottles in the house and they are still influenced by toys, tv, friends and the public.  

  

And the only time I pump is to collect milk for donation to a milk bank. Donor milk saves lives. 

I find this to be really sad. While you have breastfed your children was a good choice for you and your babies, you don't need to be so harsh towards bottles.  Not all mom's can breastfeed for so many reasons. If you have a daughter, what if she grows up and is unable to breastfeed? It is good to know that their are options. 

  

Breastfeeding and bottle feeding alike each offer different advantages. Each mommy has that choice to make. Neither choice is wrong.  

  

My daughters always pretended to breastfeed as that is what they saw from our relatives. I never breastfed,but certainly didn't see anything wrong with my daughters knowing that breastfeeding is indeed a great option. 

  

Education is the key. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 3:21 pm PDT

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Quote From: shellyee

I have never been glared at for inappropriate behavior, ask to leave some place for being too exposed, or done anything offensive to others. I have respect for other people who might be dining around me. Can you think of some reason I should be dining in the restroom?
And a baby should dine in restroom because why????
 
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October 9, 2005, 3:21 pm PDT

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Quote From: isis59

I'm very insulted that you would make comments like this. I still breastfeed my 17 month old son. It's the healthiest, most natural thing to do. Eventhough my son didn't get TEETH until he was 10 months, some get them very early... why on earth should a mother STOP breastfeeding her child because of teeth? You said you breastfed only one of your children for 12 months... did they not have teeth yet?!?! Why would you take away the HEALTHIEST, MOST LOVING, PERFECT nourishment your child could have?! That just seems ignorant to me. Please do more research before making prejudicial comments like that in the future. LaLecheLeague helps TONS of new moms in the quest for breastfeeding, no matter how long they intend to do so. They're an amazing group of women. Oh and in honor of the intended questions... YES! I would breastfeed my baby anywhere, anytime. People don't have to look. I don't look at things I don't like. Babies should be respected before others, it's just my opinion. When they CAN understand to hold on and wait, great... but in the meantime- keep giving those babies the greatest food on earth.
if whoever replied by saying she is insulted would have read the inital message beforehand she would have understood that the woman was saying she has a problem seeing a grown child being breastfed (not actually a child who just had teeth)...some people who are reading on the subject of breasfeeding in this website are so fast to jump to conclusion and start insulting whoever gives their opinion....I am so glad I live where I live, everyone is so friendly and happy....
 
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