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Dr. Phil and his guests strike up heated conversations as they debate the latest hot topics. Should women give up their right to breastfeed their babies in public so other people don't feel uncomfortable? Will passing out condoms in schools prevent unwanted pregnancies or just send the message to kids that it's OK to have sex? And, is it acceptable for others to discipline your kids if they see them acting out in public, or should they just mind their own business? Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial subjects. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 9, 2005, 5:56 pm PDT

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And yet, babies are a part of society just like everyone else.  If you choose to live in society, you have to deal with babies, young children, teenagers, 20-year-olds, the elderly, fat people, people with disease, people with learning disabilities, people in wheelchairs, the list goes on and on. 

  

If you don't want to deal with a huge segment of our society (and one that will probably be caring for you as you age), then you need to isolate yourself.  It's YOUR responsibility to do so, not mine, not my baby's.   

And yet, babies are a part of society just like everyone else.  If you choose to live in society, you have to deal with babies, young children, teenagers, 20-year-olds, the elderly, fat people, people with disease, people with learning disabilities, people in wheelchairs, the list goes on and on.  

   

If you don't want to deal with a huge segment of our society (and one that will probably be caring for you as you age), then you need to isolate yourself.  It's YOUR responsibility to do so, not mine, not my baby's. 

 

It is NOT appropriate to bring a child into every situation. It is also not appropriate to force your opinion and will onto everyone else. You should be as considerate of other just like you would want them to be of you. Next time someone is doing something that really bothers YOU, tell yourself "Well, I guess it's their right......." and see how that sits with you.  

 
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October 9, 2005, 5:58 pm PDT

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You do understand that I was asked to come to the Dr. Phil show so that he would have a show for you to watch, correct? So, I would think twice before you question my intelligence. 

  

No, I never go to the beach. Ever. Thanks for asking. Feeding your child is not appropriate anywhere. Not in everyones opinion. I think that point just flew right past you. But you all seem to think it is your RIGHT to impose yourselves on other people. Well, other people don't think you do. Is that simple enough for you?  

The law says that bfing mothers DO have the right!  Why do you think we need laws for that, and why do you think these laws were *passed*?  The simple thing is that bfing in public is a protected civil right, and in most states 'discretion' is left up to the mother.  (rightly so)
 
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October 9, 2005, 5:58 pm PDT

very sweet

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It sounds like you didn't get any support. Sounds like you had plenty of milk but the baby wasn't latching on properly. I think it would be helpful for you to let yourself grieve over not being able to BF at that time. I know I would need to.  

  

If you want to breastfeed in the future I highly recommend La Leche League and if you need more help find an IBCLC (International Board Certified Lactation Consultant). 

  

I think Dr Phil should do a whole show on breastfeeding and how women are undermined by our bottlefeeding culture, the formula industry (which has marketed the idea of failure and guilt) and even by family, friends and doctors. 

How sweet, thank you. Actually both of my children latched right on and sucked like a hoover but it just didn't come out. I actually held my children as if I were breast feeding and that worked just as well. I knew that they were getting nourishment and we still were able spend our time together. I don't feel that my children were deprived of anything that would alter them as healthy children or adults.  

  

I was just trying to say that I don't see why everyone has to be so judgmental of the decision to bottle feed or to breast feed. I really feel it is an individual decision based on ones own life circumstances. There certainly great benefits of breast feeding but certainly nobody should be judged poorly for bottle feeding. Just as nobody should be judged for breast feeding as needed. I didn't buy baby foods with meats in them because they had meat by products. I pureed my own. But I don't look down my nose at anyone who feeds their child baby food with meat in it. It doesn't make someone a bad parent who does. It's just not right to judge others choices, that's all. Especially if we don't know all that can happen to influence ones choices. 

  

Thank goodness it will not be an issue for me in the future. I have chose to not have any more children. My 13 and 10 year old have been such blessings and I am content with that. But thank you for having compassion and offering guidance. 

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 6:03 pm PDT

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So when does it become sexual abuse?  I think that 3 years old is total unexceptable!  At 6 years old a child has the teeth to chew food and the ability to poor him/her a glass of milk!  That is just totally disgusting! 

While I personally agree that 6 is too old, it is not sexual abuse.  Read the law.  There is NO sexual gratification for the mother in the act of nursing.  As a matter of a fact it can become down right annoying at times!!!  There is no sexual gratification.  Let me say that again, there is NO sexual gratification.  Breastfeeding is NOT ABOUT SEX.  It is about nutrition and comfort.  Very very few mothers nurse beyond infancy (clinically defined as 1 year), and even fewer past toddlerhood.  Those dedicated enough to let the child decide when to wean have my admiration, as it is not an easy choice for many to even nurse at all. 

  

  According to much of the research I have done the average age of a child who is allowed to wean on his own is somewhere between 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 depending on the child.  Most toddlers who nurse only nurse at bedtime and nap time.  Most breastfeeding experts will tell you that a baby's need to suck (and it is a need) varies per child and in some can continue through preschool.  How many toddlers have you seen with pacifier?  How many kindergartner's suck their thumbs? It is an extention of that need.  As a parent it is my job to meet my child's needs. 

  

As for the teeth comment, most babies get most of their teeth by around 8 months, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends breastfeeding to AT LEAST one year and how ever long after that mom and baby wish.  If the govening body of the nations doctors for children agree that mothers should breastfeed even after their child gets teeth, I don't think either you or I have the education and knowledge to disagree with them. 

  

Wishing you enough... 

N~ 

  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 6:06 pm PDT

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That's not what she said.....Shelly...I have read many of your quotes and you just keep twisting things around. A bit defensive are we? 

  

  

You mean you think I am twisting words like you all keep mangling mine?  

  

Does sarcasm just fly right over your head? If it does I can speak slower for you.  

 
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October 9, 2005, 6:06 pm PDT

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Let me at her Dr. Phil!  How dare Shelly tell any breastfeeding mother that she should feed her child in the bathroom.  Has she ever been told to eat in the bathroom of a restaurant?  I breastfed my children discreetly wherever and whenever I wanted.  Now that they are older I am teaching the proper "techniques" to using a public bathroom.  I can't imagine in the same sentence saying "do not sit on the toilet where I once breastfed you"!!
 
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October 9, 2005, 6:11 pm PDT

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Quote From: shellyee

A. I will continue to repeat this for awhile, but it is getting old- I never said you had to breastfeed in the bathroom.  

  

B. This was my point on the show- what are doing with your breast that you are so worried about the toilet seat or the walls or what not? There is nothing saying anything in this world is oh so sanitary. You have no garantees. But if you are being as subtle and careful as you say, then how is your breast suddenly going to become unsanitary just by being in the bathroom? 

And just where do you propose I sit??  Would you sit on a public toliet with a sandwich in your lap ( you still haven't answered that question.) 

  

I have no problem using a ladies lounge if there is a place other than the toilet to sit, and if it isn't in the same room as the toilets.  Most family resturants do not have lounge areas.  Most places in general do not have private places for breastfeeding moms to go and nurse their babies comfortably.   

  

I agree that this is getting old.  It is really a moot point because as I said in my other post in most states the law is on my side, and you really do just have to get over it. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 6:21 pm PDT

give me a break

Quote From: shellyee

I must have missed this. Are you impling that you keep your kid under the table?

The more you post the more ignorant and UNintelligent you sound. JMO 

  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 6:22 pm PDT

Now these comments sound childish

Quote From: shellyee

You breastfeed your child in public with your top on? Right through the fabric?? Is that something you can teach other mothers to do also??

I believe it was one of your post that commented on people acting like children on here. Flinging hateful word towards you or personally attacking you. So what is this?? 

  

I'm sure you 'really' don't know the answers to these questions? Atleast I hope you really don't need someone to answer them. I did not make the orginal post, but will be happy to enlighten you. 

  

YOU BREASTFED YOUR CHILD IN PUBLIC WITH YOUR TOP ON? Ummm YES.  

  

RIGHT THROUGH THE FABRIC? Well last time I nursed my child, it did not require me to 'completely' remove my top!! 

  

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN TEACH OTHER MOTHERS TO DO ALSO? Why yes!! I would be more than happy to educate mothers on how to nurse their children in the most discreet way possible. 

  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 6:25 pm PDT

Let's change society one breast at a time.....

Until the show, I have never really approved of seeing women breastfeed in public.    However,  I am less understanding of the controlling (male & female) role breasts play in modern society.  With the drop in womens' self esteems, the rise in the number of breast augmentations performed, and the huge number of men focused on the female breast I see an empowering  answer here.  If more women openly breastfed, perhaps men would become somewhat de-sensitized to the female bosom. It would eventually become a normal observance.  This would mean  the assets we so desperately use to get there attention would not be a focus and we could truly attract them with our minds and wonderful personalities.  What a great step forward this would be for females.  Just a thought............
 
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