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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 7:10 am PDT

POINTS YOU MISSED, DR PHIL

Dr. Phil, I believe there were several points that you failed to mention during this show.  The point I believe that was not addressed that bothered me the most was when Diana, "the perfect wife", was speaking about how she believes her marriage works great, her husband can put in 10-12 hour days at work, and she takes care of the kids, the house and him. Dr. Phil, why did you fail to address the issue that they are harming their children more then helping by leading this lifestyle. Is it not true that children need for both their mother and father to be active in their lives, and if her husbands only job is to provide financial support, then her children are being deprived of an involved father.  If he is working 10-12 hours a day, that doesnt leave much time for the kids, and eventually those kids are gonna resent either their father, mother, or both for it.  So while Diana may believe she is the perfect wife, she is far from the perfect mother. I believe Dr. Phil has said before that the best gift you can give your kids is to show them a good relationship between their parents, and if the father is working all the time, then he is not at home, not with his wife, not with his kids, and not setting a good example for their children.  

Dr.Phil, I think that it needs to be pointed out and explained to Diana what she is really doing to her children by leading this lifestyle!!!!! 

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:10 am PDT

I agree with all of this

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Wives are meant to love and to honor their husbands just as husbands are to love and to honor their wives. Husband, if you want respect then you must also respect your wives. I am a stay at home mom with a wonderful husband. We work together as a team because we love and appreciate each other. Yes, my hubby worksa paying job and I am home with the children, but parenting is a 24/7 job and there is absolutely no way the wife/mother can do all this on her own. Knowing that she has a husband who loves and respects her and has no problem reaching out and giving a hand does wonders for the wifes self esteem, it certainly boosts her ego and desire to be the best wife that she possibly can be. My husband is a hard worker and gets his breaks and outings but he also knows that he helped create our children and has the responsibiltiy to make sure that he does his part in taking care of his family. My children love their daddy and loves it when he walks in the door, They don't cry and fuss when mommy leaves all by herself cause they know their daddy loves then enough to play and spend time with them. They have a great bonding relatoinship and I believe it is becasue of the attitude that my husband has. We are helpmates and we are there for each other. Some husbands need to get off theri high horses and love and honor their wives and step up to the plate in helping with the home and kids. You might actually enjoy the bonding and positive attention that you get from your wife and even your children. Of course wives need not to hound their husbands and tell him often that she loves him, don't expect him to come straight home and to start working, let him have some time to relax and to get settled in. Marriage is about two people and both of them have an obligation to love, respect and honor the other. It isn't about who is suppose to do what and who gets the privelege of being boss, it is about being helpmates and being there for each other. It is my wifestyle to love and cherish my husband to encourage and build him up and in return I get the same, our marriage is not perfect but we have a strong foundation and that foundation is our Lord and our love for one another.
 and all the other posts that deal with mutual respect and honoring. From the male point of view however I believe many wives who do have the respect and honoring of their husbands miss seeing it because the husband is not measuring up to her expectations of what a husband should be.

If one believes they must recieve before they will give, they usually miss what is being given because they have a preconcieved notion of what should be given to them,  not what is being given.
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:14 am PDT

The guests

First, I don't think Grant is a bad guy. I just don't think he GOT it, but now he does. Let's hope so because his wife appears very beaten down. Humans aren't perfect and now Grant can see the pain in his wife's face. I bet he changes and the couple goes on to have a beautiful partnership! 

  

The stay-at-home-mother was cool; she made her choice and she loves it! I was worried how she would come off, but she did agree that Grant was wrong to treat his wife the way he did. I just wish Dr. Phil would have applauded her when she said that she should treat her husband with respect, he should treat her (his wife) with respect and that's what marriage is all about. It's give and take. I worked full-time and tried to raise our first child. I was sick all the time and passed the sickneses on to her. She was stuck in daycare from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. and then it was rush, rush, rush. I was inpatient and nothing was done very well...there simply was not enough hours in the day. We women CAN'T have it all unless we want to do some things just plain crappy. Perhaps some of what is contributing to the 57% divorce rate is the fact that everybody (men and women) are stressed, sick, tired and feeling guilty. Kids come first. If we can afford it, why not give them 100% of us until they enter school (when we can work parttime) instead of allowing strangers to raise them. If we can't afford it, let's simply try our best to put their wants and needs before ours (and part of that is having a healthy marriage so they have a great mom and dad in their home). 

  

As for the single lady, more power to you! You obviously want to keep YOU first. That's your choice. You are smart not to get married. However, I have a wonderful partnership and I am very independent....own savings (along with joint savings), own thoughts, own opinions, own fun nights out with the girls, etc. But what is the best part is the support, love and affection I get from my husband DAILY. We are a team that will last until death. And we have 2 great children who benefit from our partnership. I'll check back with you in 20 years to see how you are faring alone. If you're doing well, great. If you're not, perhaps you shouldn't have viewed marriage as all give or all take. It doesn't have to be that way. My marriage is super and it's great to wake up next to a warm, soft body each morning! It's also the way our wonderful God intended:) 

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:20 am PDT

Grant does not get it!

Listening to Grant on todays show, I thought I was hearing  my EX-husband. By the time my son was 9 I realized that I had no sense of self worth. I  woke up one morning and asked myself if I wanted to spend the rest of my life in a relationship, with a partner who could only criticize every thing I did. My answer was a resounding no.  I sent my ex packing and it was the best thing I ever did. Kelly needs to understand that Grant's behavior is going to rub off on her children. Does she really want that kind of influence on her childrens thinking. Unless there is some intense councelling, one day Kelly is going to send Grant packing.
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:24 am PDT

a good wife

it just amazes me that nobody really gets it.  What is a good wife?  What is a good husband?  Well .......whatever happened to whats a good marriage?  This is the only concept that blends all three components together.   I believe there is a "recipe"  for a good marriage.........they are: 

  

1.  never leave each other mad.  Who knows what will happen and if something unthinkable does happen.........can you deal with the consequences of your actions. 

2.  Say "im sorry"  its amazing what these two little words can accomplish. 

3.  Talk to each other when you can COMMUNICATE without YELLING. 

4.  plan your financial future TOGETHER.....pay your future with your money 

5. dont live beyond your means. 

6.  Dont come home and start in on "i really had a lousy day........take time to unwind.....relax........and talk to each other. 

7.  find new ways to express your love both physically and emotionally 

8.  raise your children together.......and be the parent.  dont let your child establish superiority.....if the wife says no.........so should the husband.........visa versa 

9.  have sex with the lights on 

10.establish date night..............go out on a date even if you've been married for 10 years 

11.DO NOT LIE TO EACH OTHER............this creates hipocracy and distrust............no marriage can last there. 

12.  dont cheat on each other........if  you dont then you will never have to deal with shame and regret 

  

these are the best points for a good marriage................i know that doctor phil is the expert but you know..........ive learned a few things from being divorced.  

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:26 am PDT

Grow up already!

The husband on this show really needs to grow up already.  What will this couple do when faced with a crisis - something that is really important and makes them rethink everything in their lives.  My husband and I both had great careers when we got married, and at that time, I was the larger wage earner.  My husband's philosophy was that while he didn't want to do housework and chores, that I shouldn't become my responsibility be default.  We hired a cleaning service and a general contracter to take care of the tasks we didn't want to sap our time and energy.  This left us with time for our children and each other.  

  

Over the years we've had to redine our roles as we faced significant challenges.  When he was laid off from work, he became the "wife" and did all the household chores - and better then I ever could.  His education was in chemistry, so he takled cookbooks like chemistry experiments and made some of the best meals we've ever had at home.  While he was unemployed for just a short period of time, I still remember it fondly. 

  

We've also faced serious illness - mine.  This resulted in a an unknown prognosis and complete disability.  Because the onset was so sudden, we were totally unprepared and had to figure out how to function as a couple and as a family.  For the first time in many years, my husband had to go to the grocery store, fix meals, clean, etc.  I was unable to do anything but watch.  It was a terrible struggle for all of us, but we all grew from the experience.  I learned that when someone does something for you, that you say thank you and genuinelly appreciate it, no matter how it turns out.  My husband got a renewed appreciation of what goes into making a home run efficiently.  Our children learned how they could contribute to the family.  For example, we got a credit card on our account in our daughter's name.  Because she was 16, we were able to send her to the store for groceries, pharmacy items, etc.  Since she hadn't had her driver's license very long - she thought it was great and loved being able to help out in that way.   And yes, we guarded the credit card carefully, and she never abused it. 

  

Now that the worst of that illness has past, we now have a more traditional family, with me home taking care of home and hearth, in a more traditional female role.  I will never be able to go back to the level of employment that I had in the past, so, instead, have again, redifined myself as a wife and mom.  My family has been great and has adapted to all of the changes over the years.  Throughout it all, I have known that my husband loves me unequivicollly and that is all that matters.  We work toghether and adapt as life changes.   

  

I think that while the details are different, that most families will probably face challenges that force them to evaluate who they are and how they function.  My concern for today's guests, and others, is that they have such narrowly defined roles with such ridgidity, that they will collapse when faced with a crisis.     

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:28 am PDT

this man was unbelievable

I've known men who married "trophy" brides...they divorced them and found someone they were truly "happy" with.   I am a christian to and I read and study the bible and try my hardest to model myself after the bible as a wife and person...but these guys have crossed a line.   This first guy is just insensitive and mean. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:30 am PDT

Very interesting

It's quite interesting to me that we are still talking about the woman's role in the home.  That is such an old fashioned way of life now.  I am married, have three growing boys, a full career and am an active member in the community.  My husband has his job and a talented career on the side.  Running this household takes both of us.  He gets home from work first, he gets the homework started and dinner started.  I get home and jump right in to help finish the dinner.  I can help finish homework while he starts bathing the littler ones.  I start laundry, he takes out the garbage. He does the dishes, I read books with the kids. He takes the kids outside to play while I tidy up, then we both get the kids to bed.  That's a sample.  Why does society still harp that it's only the woman's roll to do ALL of this? It's odd in this day of both spouses working this only one is getting hounded about getting everything done.  Lets get with the times folks.
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:31 am PDT

Two Sides

There are two sides to everything. I'm sure there are many women, because I've talked with the husbands, that don't apply themselves. They don't approach the things they do in the home like a job. They lack time management, they don't set goals, they goof off watching TV or they gossip on the phone. Wives should carry some kind of the  work load and not expect a free ride from their hubbies. I know men should not be pigs and should make every effort to meet the needs of his wife. Its a two way street. Dr. Phill address the lazy do nothing wives. Prov 31 is a great example to follow. Men should care for the wive as Christ does the church.
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:41 am PDT

i couldn't agree more

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I'm not going to sit here and argue with everyone because everyone has different ideas about roles within a family.  What is best for one, is not necessarily best for another so I think it is a moot point to be going back and forth.  As for poster Bill....has anyone ever heard of a grief poster?  That is someone who doesn't really feel the way they posted, but writes an explosive post just to get people going.  That's how I feel about him.   

  

Ok, so, how have I seen the show already, you ask?  We are a military family stationed overseas and we get the current day's show at 8:30 in the morning here and we are 6 hours ahead of EST.  If Dr. Phil comes on at 3 pm on the East Coast, we get it over 12 hours before you do.   

  

What I saw today on the show affected me deeply.  I don't cry very often when watching, but I did today.  This woman was so beaten down, her eyes were empty.  She is married to a man with a critical spirit who doesn't think anything she does is good enough.  He expects her to clean the house while dressed in a french maid outfit or wash his car in a bikini.  I won't go into all the details of the show since you haven't seen it yet, but I was so saddened by how this man treated the woman he pledged to love his whole life.  Her spirit is broken and whether or not you believe that a woman should be at home or be in the work force, I don't think anyone can excuse the emotional abuse of this man.  I truly don't think any of it sunk in, either. 

  

Dr. Phil also has a woman on there who believes that all women were put on this earth to serve men.  (There you go Bill, find her sister for yourself!)  I think that is all fine and dandy if she feels that way but I think it is wrong of her to try to force her philosophy on everyone else.  The biggest problem I had with her was that she seemed to address the red haired woman in such a way that I felt she was also berating her for not being "good enough".   

  

I truly feel that Dr. Phil should have had a husband on there who isn't like the guy on the show.  Hearing it from a man that loves, cherishes and respects his wife and what she does could have put a whole different perspective on the entire show.   

  

I can say all this because I am a truly blessed woman.  I am a stay at home mom and have been for many years.  No, the house isn't spotless and I've put on a few pounds since our wedding day, but I have a husband who knows what true love is.  This man, no matter how I feel, or look,  will put his arms around me and say, "You are beautiful today.  You are an awesome mom.  You are an awesome wife and no one could ever take care of me better than you."   You want to talk about feeling validated and appreciated?  No, he's not the best at helping with the housework, but he doesn't moan and complain if it isn't done all the time either.   

  

I really want to see a follow up to this show and see if this couple can come out of this.  My heart broke for her when I looked into her eyes.  She is a broken person. 

A wife must submit herself to her husband and a husband must love his wife the way Jesus loved the church.  

 
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