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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 7:47 am PDT

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Dr. Phil, I believe there were several points that you failed to mention during this show.  The point I believe that was not addressed that bothered me the most was when Diana, "the perfect wife", was speaking about how she believes her marriage works great, her husband can put in 10-12 hour days at work, and she takes care of the kids, the house and him. Dr. Phil, why did you fail to address the issue that they are harming their children more then helping by leading this lifestyle. Is it not true that children need for both their mother and father to be active in their lives, and if her husbands only job is to provide financial support, then her children are being deprived of an involved father.  If he is working 10-12 hours a day, that doesnt leave much time for the kids, and eventually those kids are gonna resent either their father, mother, or both for it.  So while Diana may believe she is the perfect wife, she is far from the perfect mother. I believe Dr. Phil has said before that the best gift you can give your kids is to show them a good relationship between their parents, and if the father is working all the time, then he is not at home, not with his wife, not with his kids, and not setting a good example for their children.  

Dr.Phil, I think that it needs to be pointed out and explained to Diana what she is really doing to her children by leading this lifestyle!!!!! 

Maybe you misunderstood.  My husband sometimes works a lot of hours, but because he owns his own business, he can usually tailor his hours to whatever is going on at home.  In fact, he is always home in the mornings, when the kids are getting ready for school, he is home all weekend, and is my son's little league coach.  He is also involved in whatever is going on with my daughter and the baby. 

  

I don't think in a 20 minute interview, you can really judge somebody's lifestyle.  My children are well cared for, both their parents are involved with them, and I am involved in every aspect of their daily life.  I am my daughter's brownie troop leader, and I attend mommy and me classes with my baby. 

  

Please don't tell me what you think of my mothering when you have no idea who I am.  My husband and I show our kids a good relationship, and the value of hard work but still making time for the family. 

  

Diana 

 
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October 10, 2005, 7:50 am PDT

I'm so lucky.

I used to have a husband like this.  I married very young, and he expected me to be the perfect wife, but he didn't want to be a good husband.  It was an abusive relationship, and I had the good sense to get out.  As soon as I found out I was pregnant, I left.  I knew the child would be abused.  I have remarried to a great man.  He's in the Navy and gone alot.  If I know anything, it's that he loves me, unconditionally.  We do argue, all couples do, but at the end of the day, we stand together.  He knows how hard I work at being a stay at home, and I know how hard he works.  He has told me that his greatest joy is to know that at night, I can sleep peacefully in the home he has created, and that I curl up to him in love.  Eight years and 3 children later, our relationship is stronger than it was when it started.  Some men need to learn that the relationship isn't only for them, but for their wives as well.  I wish all the women out there the love of a man, like the one I have. 
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:52 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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First, I don't think Grant is a bad guy. I just don't think he GOT it, but now he does. Let's hope so because his wife appears very beaten down. Humans aren't perfect and now Grant can see the pain in his wife's face. I bet he changes and the couple goes on to have a beautiful partnership! 

  

The stay-at-home-mother was cool; she made her choice and she loves it! I was worried how she would come off, but she did agree that Grant was wrong to treat his wife the way he did. I just wish Dr. Phil would have applauded her when she said that she should treat her husband with respect, he should treat her (his wife) with respect and that's what marriage is all about. It's give and take. I worked full-time and tried to raise our first child. I was sick all the time and passed the sickneses on to her. She was stuck in daycare from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. and then it was rush, rush, rush. I was inpatient and nothing was done very well...there simply was not enough hours in the day. We women CAN'T have it all unless we want to do some things just plain crappy. Perhaps some of what is contributing to the 57% divorce rate is the fact that everybody (men and women) are stressed, sick, tired and feeling guilty. Kids come first. If we can afford it, why not give them 100% of us until they enter school (when we can work parttime) instead of allowing strangers to raise them. If we can't afford it, let's simply try our best to put their wants and needs before ours (and part of that is having a healthy marriage so they have a great mom and dad in their home). 

  

As for the single lady, more power to you! You obviously want to keep YOU first. That's your choice. You are smart not to get married. However, I have a wonderful partnership and I am very independent....own savings (along with joint savings), own thoughts, own opinions, own fun nights out with the girls, etc. But what is the best part is the support, love and affection I get from my husband DAILY. We are a team that will last until death. And we have 2 great children who benefit from our partnership. I'll check back with you in 20 years to see how you are faring alone. If you're doing well, great. If you're not, perhaps you shouldn't have viewed marriage as all give or all take. It doesn't have to be that way. My marriage is super and it's great to wake up next to a warm, soft body each morning! It's also the way our wonderful God intended:) 

I'm glad somebody agrees with me! 

  

Diana 

 

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October 10, 2005, 7:57 am PDT

Some loss to personalities

Its very difficult for men and women to come together in a marriage without some loss to each others personalities. I have been married twice, each time with losses. The first was controlling, and I ended this within a year. Second time, a child was blessed to us, but the talks we had prior to the birth went out the window. I was to be a stay at home Mom. Through job changes and financial problems, I had to return to work within three weeks after the birth. I was burnt out, resented my husband for this. 40 hr job, home to clean and care for a newborn, I am sorry, but you cant do BOTH jobs 100%. I gave at work. I gave at home. I gave the MOST to my son. But then when my husband still expected me to GIVE to him, without giving back, I left him. At the time, I figured if I had to do it ALL, then I would do this in a less stressful enviroment. 

  

Why am I added my 2 cents to this discussion? Because Grant could have been MY husband. Nothing I did was good enough. I was pushed back to work, when it would have been more prudent for HIM to take a second job, or to work harder at keeping first one. He was immature, looking back now. If jobs didnt suit him, he left them. No thought to me or how it would affect marriage or raising a child. 

  

So, not wanting to be downtrodden, not wanting to raise TWO children, husband and newborn, I left to do this alone. I was happier, never had alot, but if the house wasnt cleaned enough, dustbunnies had names, I DID have quality time with my son. 

  

I never trusted after this. I have had violence in marriage. I have had the lack of maturity in marriage. I left this unhealthy instituion in 1982, never to return. I watch Dr Phil daily, seeing how others are answered, seeing my past time and time again. Cant blame the marriage failures totally on ex's, just didnt require enough from them ( or myself) to start. This comes back to finding me again. 

  

Dr Phil once said there should be a "marriage test" prior to marriage. When the "glow" of first love starts to fade, you need to know how compatible you REALLY are, what you would choose in the future, when this isnt a thought at present. 

  

Thanks for listening. 

  

Single for 25 years now, happily 

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:00 am PDT

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I tell you, I was not so disturbed with the Grant thing because I have met guys like him.  The lady who said she will never get married bothered me though.  It is nice that she sat there and said women can make it on their own...no one said they couldn't.  She just needs to realize that just because people get married doesn't mean they will end up a housewife with no life.  I hope she sits down and watches the taping of the show....maybe she will wake up and say, "Wow I sounded like an idiot on the show."  Has she never met anyone who liked her for her or any guys that have treated her like gold?   

  

Marriage is what you make it, you choose what happens next in life.  Only you can choose a positive outcome, even if it means falling over a few bumps in the road.  

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:02 am PDT

WHY????????

I LOVE MY HUSBAND AND WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR HIM, BUT-- I'M  NOT GOING TO CHANGE  MY SHIRT, PUT ON MAKEUP JUST CAUSE HE'S ON HIS WAY HOME FROM A LONG AT WORK, I'VE BEEN WORKING,TOO. THIS WOMAN IS IN A DREAM WORLD, SHE SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S BOWING DOWN TO HIM, DOES HE REALLY DESERVE THAT MUCH ATTENTION.  WHAT DOES HE DO FOR HER, IN THAT RESPECT. THAT CRAP WOULDN'T FLY AT THIS HOUSE.
 
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October 10, 2005, 8:02 am PDT

How about emotional support

 Here so many topics come up about the physical aspects of what a wife is suppose to be and nothing about emotional support for the husband. Being there for each other when one is down or has a hard day is just as important as helping each other put dinner on the table when one gets off of work.
I think that it is a two way street I see no difference between a Mr. and a Mrs. except for the intruding S.
Many people cannot afford to only have one partner work while the other stays home so "miss who ever" who says that the husband makes all the money while she stays at home and does the domestic housechores is unreasonable by todays works standards. Many jobs out there do not let one side support the family and many are forced to both work just to pay the rent.
Both parents should involved in child rearing. Seriously kids need a father figure as well as a mother figure to take them to special events or sports games.
How I can be a good partner is to be there for him when he needs me most emotionally and physically and it should be equal the other way around.


 
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October 10, 2005, 8:06 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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Listening to Grant on todays show, I thought I was hearing  my EX-husband. By the time my son was 9 I realized that I had no sense of self worth. I  woke up one morning and asked myself if I wanted to spend the rest of my life in a relationship, with a partner who could only criticize every thing I did. My answer was a resounding no.  I sent my ex packing and it was the best thing I ever did. Kelly needs to understand that Grant's behavior is going to rub off on her children. Does she really want that kind of influence on her childrens thinking. Unless there is some intense councelling, one day Kelly is going to send Grant packing.
I couldn't agree more! He sounds just like my soon-to-be-ex husband. Nothing was right about anything I did. I finally woke up back in March. I had two little boys, ages 3 and 20 months and was 5 months pregnant. But, I set his behind on his way out the door. It was very, very hard. But, now I can do things however I want to do them and that is good enough for me.
 
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October 10, 2005, 8:09 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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it just amazes me that nobody really gets it.  What is a good wife?  What is a good husband?  Well .......whatever happened to whats a good marriage?  This is the only concept that blends all three components together.   I believe there is a "recipe"  for a good marriage.........they are: 

  

1.  never leave each other mad.  Who knows what will happen and if something unthinkable does happen.........can you deal with the consequences of your actions. 

2.  Say "im sorry"  its amazing what these two little words can accomplish. 

3.  Talk to each other when you can COMMUNICATE without YELLING. 

4.  plan your financial future TOGETHER.....pay your future with your money 

5. dont live beyond your means. 

6.  Dont come home and start in on "i really had a lousy day........take time to unwind.....relax........and talk to each other. 

7.  find new ways to express your love both physically and emotionally 

8.  raise your children together.......and be the parent.  dont let your child establish superiority.....if the wife says no.........so should the husband.........visa versa 

9.  have sex with the lights on 

10.establish date night..............go out on a date even if you've been married for 10 years 

11.DO NOT LIE TO EACH OTHER............this creates hipocracy and distrust............no marriage can last there. 

12.  dont cheat on each other........if  you dont then you will never have to deal with shame and regret 

  

these are the best points for a good marriage................i know that doctor phil is the expert but you know..........ive learned a few things from being divorced.  

Prior to getting married to my husband, we attended a marriage encounter.  It was the best thing we could have ever done.  It taught us that we don't always see things the same way, however we need to see the others opinions and hear their thoughts and then discuss it together.  Not yell or name call.  My husband knows how hard I work each day with taking care of the children, making dinner, doing laundry, cleaning and making things nice for his arrival at home.  You have to work together as a team to make life more enjoyable for everyone.  It shouldn't be just about how one person thinks it should be.   

  

There is 2 definitions in the dictionary 

  

1.  Marriage:  mutual relationship of husband and wife, an intimate or close union, the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family. 

  

2.  Marriage of convenience:  a marriage contracted for social, political, or economic advantage rather then for mutual affection. 

  

You need to decide which one you want.  I myself prefer the first. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:09 am PDT

Just my thoughts

I might be a bit old fashioned, and I learned the way I think from my mother.  My mom did everything.  I was also a single mom for a while and did everything around the house and worked.  Maybe it has just stuck with me.  I do a lot around the house.  Since I have been working part time in the evenings my h has to do more things around the house.  He has always been a big help with cooking the meals and I appreciate that.  He rarely does the dishes and never cleans the bathroom.  I used to get frustrated with always having to clean and look after the kids, and sometimes I still do.  I enjoy cleaning the house and after supper I do the dishes and I use that time to call my family and friends back home to say hello.   

  

One person said something abou their h becoming distant, the reason for that could be their job.  She would run a hot bath for her hubby and that made him happy.  It is fine to do stuff like that.  Just because you are a wife that doesn't make you a queen.  Maybe he would do stuff for you if you did stuff like that for him.   

  

If you came home from work everyday to find your h sitting on the couch in his pj's wouldn't you get distant to that?  Sure that is why I would change my clothes do my hair and put some makeup on.  I feel better about myself when I do that and I am sure my h liked it as well.   

  

I dont' believe we should be slaves to our h's but I do beleive that when I am staying at home their is no reason I can't have the bacteria removed and a meal on the table after spending some time at the park with the kids.   

  

What would you like done to you? Just because I stayed home all day and felt as though I worked my butt off inbetween phone calls with my friends, doesn't mean he didn't work his butt off at work with out phone calls from his friends.   

  

I know everyone has different views to marriage, and this is just my opinion. 

 
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