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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 18, 2005, 9:40 am PDT

We Want to Know

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 I live near where this happened.  It has been basically out of the news limelight since Dr Phil had  the mother on the show.   I feel very sorry for her, and hope they keep the father in prison for the rest of his life.


I'll keep praying for her & her children.  We'd really like an update on that story, Dr. Phil.  Thx.
 
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October 18, 2005, 10:05 am PDT

Time Saving Work Saving Ideas

Can we exchange ideas on saving time and saving work around the house or as we go from home to work & back & stuff? 

  

For instance, I like stuf f  ironed, but don't seem to have time to iron......or.....our laundry is always out of control it seems to me & I wonder how to cut back on the enormity of that task....anything we can share that makes life easier? 

  

I like the big foodclubs for some things.  Saves time for things we use a lot of & saves money on some things we use... 

 
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October 18, 2005, 10:07 am PDT

Want & Don't Want

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Why can't being married with kids be the ultimate dream of all ?  

  

Because we are all different? I don't agree that any lifestyle or choice is right for everyone.  It would be wonderful if women and men were feel free to choose any path that felt right for them without being told that one path or another is "natural" or "the right way" or "the modern way".  There would be fewer gay men who marry straight, fewer women who have unwanted children and fewer men excluded from parenting by the breadwinner burden. 

  

For me, having children was essential to my happiness and having a husband to share my whole life with is an ever appreciating joy. But I also know people who don't want children and who really shouldn't have them.  What is right for one isn't right for all. 

  

I am sorry that you missed having a family because of social pressure. Let's hope that ours is the last generation that is told what we "should" want or do.   

I want babies, but don't know about when they become teenagers.   I want kids & yet I suspect they would get on my nerves.  It's a two-sided coin, I guess.  We're okay without them, but babies are sooooo cute!!  Diaper changing is really the pits, though. 
 
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October 18, 2005, 11:05 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

I am a single Palestinian Muslim woman and for me I'm supposed to want to be married and have kids. And it isn't a bad thing but where i come from arabic culture is oppressive to women (not Islam, there's a big difference and a lot of people make that mistake. even my own kind). We are taught to depend on our men and that that's the only way to have a fulfilling life. I'm not sure how that makes sense but I do believe finding love and giving life are wonderful things but not when your husband and children become your masters. The woman on the show said that scrubbing floors isn't degrading but if you asked your husband to do that he would consider it that way. Why? because somewhere at sometime somebody decided that it was the woman's role to clean and raise children and it's the man's role to bring financial security. My problem isn't with why should woman be happy maintaining and raising the family but why she should do it alone. Since when is it so wrong to ask your partner to share the burden and if it brings you such enjoyment to care for others than he should take part in helping you create that enjoyment because if you remember marriage is a partnership.  

  

Husbands don't work as hard as woman do, they think that because they work outside the home that this gives them the right to kick off their shoes and relax. But men don't realize that it's hard enough alone to raise kids not including all the housework, homework and other responsibilities and chores women must go thru. Alot of children feel like they have one parent because usually the only one nurturing them is the mother. The father's presence is felt but not so much. If a man helped his wife even a little bit, she'd be a better wife and mom because she would be able to have time for herself. and many mothers/wives are so busy trying to make others happy they forget about themselves and that leaves one to feel like there's something lacking. A man who helps his wife is doing more for her as a husband than going to work and bringing the check. i'm scared of marriage because i don't want to be stuck with someone who feels that his role is seperate from mine and that he shouldn't include himself in the family because most of that stuff should fall under my role. Even if i did do all the work in the home, he shouldn't sit in front of the t.v., because no matter how tired yoa person feels, any open window with your children is more beneficial than a sports game. i feel like i could bond with my husband more if he puts himself in my shoes and helps me around the house or if i find that he's bonding with the children and plays an important part in their development. Alot of woman can go on and on and make excuses for why they can do it alone or why they shouldn't work outside the home but excuses are just excuses.  

  

Statistics show that working woman can be better moms. A working woman usually has a husband who also works and understands that they both need to share the housework and raising of the kids. So children interact with both parents. A child who is sent to daycare because his mother works learns social skills at an early age and learns about independance and trust. Not to mention daycare children learn to talk earlier and develop cognitive abilities faster because their environment forces them to. Also working woman feel guilty for not being with their child and usually make it a priority to make up for it. Mothers at home are always there so there presence is not as appreciated and also parent child interaction is less since chores and other things come in the way. Husbands have a better bond with working wives in most cases because they are forced to be involved in the family and in scheduling of important things that the family needs.  

  

This situation is not always true but it is shown that it is a better option to be a working mother. Alot of people will disagree with this but I've seen it and there's nohing wrong with being an at home mom--just as long as your husband understands how hard it is to be one and why he should ease the burden. The reason why i advocate working as a mom is because it forces the situation in which your husband has to be more active in his role as a parent and husband. I'll tell you a joke i once heard:  

  

A man was complaining: Oh Lord, please have mercy on me,
I work so hard, meantime my wife stays at home.  I would give
anything if you would grant me one wish, "switch me into my wife."
She's got it easy at home.  I want to teach her a lesson of how
tough a man's life is.

As God was listening he felt sorry for this soul and granted his
wish.

Next morning the "new woman" wakes up at dawn, makes lunch
boxes, prepares breakfast, wakes up the kids for school, puts a load
of clothes in the washer, takes the meat out of the freezer, drives the
kids to school, on his way back stops at the gas station, cashes
a check, pays the electricity and phone bills, picks up some clothes
from the cleaners, and then quickly goes to the market.
It was 1:00 o'clock already, he made the beds, took the clothes out
of the washer and put another load in.  He vacuumed the house,
made some rice, went to pick up the kids from school, and had
an argument with the kids.

As soon as he got home he fed the kids, washed the dirty
dishes, he hung the damp clothes he had washed on the chairs
because it was raining outside, he helped the kids with their homework,
watched some TV while he ironed some clothes, prepared dinner,
he gave the kids a bath and put them to sleep.

At 9:00 o'clock he was so tired and he went to bed.
Of course even though he was tired he was expected to do extra duties, like the mattress mambo,
and somehow he managed to get that done and finally fell a sleep.
The next morning he prays to God once again:
"Oh Lord, what was I thinking when I asked you to grant my wish?"
I can't take it anymore.  I beg you please switch me back to myself,
please oh please."

Then he heard God's voice speaking to him, saying:  "Dear son, of
course I'll switch you back to yourself but there's one minor detail,
you will have to wait 9 months because last night you got pregnant.
 

  

Nothing is more beautiful than being a parent and spouse but it is more beautiful when the role is shared and trust alot more gets done so you have more time to have fun and enjoy life. When husbands help their wives, it's very romantic. I'd pick doing the dishes side by side, over receiving flowers that will eventually die, any day. That kind of gift stays with a person, it just lasts longer. men need to become more aware of this and need to appreciate the woman, If i find a man who can be my partner in everything i do, I'll feel comfortable in being the best mother, wife, sister, friend,etc. I can be. because there are not so many worries and your life has balance.  

 
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October 18, 2005, 11:07 am PDT

Thinking outside the box

 

I am a single Palestinian Muslim woman and for me I'm supposed to want to be married and have kids. And it isn't a bad thing but where i come from arabic culture is oppressive to women (not Islam, there's a big difference and a lot of people make that mistake. even my own kind). We are taught to depend on our men and that that's the only way to have a fulfilling life. I'm not sure how that makes sense but I do believe finding love and giving life are wonderful things but not when your husband and children become your masters. The woman on the show said that scrubbing floors isn't degrading but if you asked your husband to do that he would consider it that way. Why? because somewhere at sometime somebody decided that it was the woman's role to clean and raise children and it's the man's role to bring financial security. My problem isn't with why should woman be happy maintaining and raising the family but why she should do it alone. Since when is it so wrong to ask your partner to share the burden and if it brings you such enjoyment to care for others than he should take part in helping you create that enjoyment because if you remember marriage is a partnership.  

  

Husbands don't work as hard as woman do, they think that because they work outside the home that this gives them the right to kick off their shoes and relax. But men don't realize that it's hard enough alone to raise kids not including all the housework, homework and other responsibilities and chores women must go thru. Alot of children feel like they have one parent because usually the only one nurturing them is the mother. The father's presence is felt but not so much. If a man helped his wife even a little bit, she'd be a better wife and mom because she would be able to have time for herself. and many mothers/wives are so busy trying to make others happy they forget about themselves and that leaves one to feel like there's something lacking. A man who helps his wife is doing more for her as a husband than going to work and bringing the check. i'm scared of marriage because i don't want to be stuck with someone who feels that his role is seperate from mine and that he shouldn't include himself in the family because most of that stuff should fall under my role. Even if i did do all the work in the home, he shouldn't sit in front of the t.v., because no matter how tired yoa person feels, any open window with your children is more beneficial than a sports game. i feel like i could bond with my husband more if he puts himself in my shoes and helps me around the house or if i find that he's bonding with the children and plays an important part in their development. Alot of woman can go on and on and make excuses for why they can do it alone or why they shouldn't work outside the home but excuses are just excuses.  

  

Statistics show that working woman can be better moms. A working woman usually has a husband who also works and understands that they both need to share the housework and raising of the kids. So children interact with both parents. A child who is sent to daycare because his mother works learns social skills at an early age and learns about independance and trust. Not to mention daycare children learn to talk earlier and develop cognitive abilities faster because their environment forces them to. Also working woman feel guilty for not being with their child and usually make it a priority to make up for it. Mothers at home are always there so there presence is not as appreciated and also parent child interaction is less since chores and other things come in the way. Husbands have a better bond with working wives in most cases because they are forced to be involved in the family and in scheduling of important things that the family needs.  

  

This situation is not always true but it is shown that it is a better option to be a working mother. Alot of people will disagree with this but I've seen it and there's nohing wrong with being an at home mom--just as long as your husband understands how hard it is to be one and why he should ease the burden. The reason why i advocate working as a mom is because it forces the situation in which your husband has to be more active in his role as a parent and husband. I'll tell you a joke i once heard:  

  

A man was complaining: Oh Lord, please have mercy on me,
I work so hard, meantime my wife stays at home.  I would give
anything if you would grant me one wish, "switch me into my wife."
She's got it easy at home.  I want to teach her a lesson of how
tough a man's life is.

As God was listening he felt sorry for this soul and granted his
wish.

Next morning the "new woman" wakes up at dawn, makes lunch
boxes, prepares breakfast, wakes up the kids for school, puts a load
of clothes in the washer, takes the meat out of the freezer, drives the
kids to school, on his way back stops at the gas station, cashes
a check, pays the electricity and phone bills, picks up some clothes
from the cleaners, and then quickly goes to the market.
It was 1:00 o'clock already, he made the beds, took the clothes out
of the washer and put another load in.  He vacuumed the house,
made some rice, went to pick up the kids from school, and had
an argument with the kids.

As soon as he got home he fed the kids, washed the dirty
dishes, he hung the damp clothes he had washed on the chairs
because it was raining outside, he helped the kids with their homework,
watched some TV while he ironed some clothes, prepared dinner,
he gave the kids a bath and put them to sleep.

At 9:00 o'clock he was so tired and he went to bed.
Of course even though he was tired he was expected to do extra duties, like the mattress mambo,
and somehow he managed to get that done and finally fell a sleep.
The next morning he prays to God once again:
"Oh Lord, what was I thinking when I asked you to grant my wish?"
I can't take it anymore.  I beg you please switch me back to myself,
please oh please."

Then he heard God's voice speaking to him, saying:  "Dear son, of
course I'll switch you back to yourself but there's one minor detail,
you will have to wait 9 months because last night you got pregnant.
 

  

Nothing is more beautiful than being a parent and spouse but it is more beautiful when the role is shared and trust alot more gets done so you have more time to have fun and enjoy life. When husbands help their wives, it's very romantic. I'd pick doing the dishes side by side, over receiving flowers that will eventually die, any day. That kind of gift stays with a person, it just lasts longer. men need to become more aware of this and need to appreciate the woman, If i find a man who can be my partner in everything i do, I'll feel comfortable in being the best mother, wife, sister, friend,etc. I can be. because there are not so many worries and your life has balance.  

 

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October 18, 2005, 12:38 pm PDT

Just a new box

Charisma, your post was very well written and I was quite interested in the opinion from someone from a different culture about this issue. I agree that there can be advantages to the family when the wife works outside the home.  But you have to agree also that there are disadvantages too, no? 

  

There are advantages and disadvantages for every family structure and every family has different resources, assets, needs and risks.  Rather than suggesting that one structure is the right way (which is really just a different stricture) wouldn't you agree that every family should choose the structure that suits them best without anyone suggesting one or another option is "right" or "best"? 

 

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October 18, 2005, 12:49 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I want babies, but don't know about when they become teenagers.   I want kids & yet I suspect they would get on my nerves.  It's a two-sided coin, I guess.  We're okay without them, but babies are sooooo cute!!  Diaper changing is really the pits, though. 

Diaper changing is a breeze compared to a 12 year old girl battling puberty or whatever she is working on *grin* I need a good sturdy dose of self esteem to withstand the constant stream of reminders that I'm "uncool".  I wasn't a very patient person with other people's kids but the patience comes easy with my own kids. 

  

I'm sorry you were unable to have children of your own. There are children out there who need a good home-have you considered that option? 

 
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October 18, 2005, 1:17 pm PDT

Yes

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Diaper changing is a breeze compared to a 12 year old girl battling puberty or whatever she is working on *grin* I need a good sturdy dose of self esteem to withstand the constant stream of reminders that I'm "uncool".  I wasn't a very patient person with other people's kids but the patience comes easy with my own kids. 

  

I'm sorry you were unable to have children of your own. There are children out there who need a good home-have you considered that option? 

It's not such a good idea.  I'm about 95% sure about kids of our own, and 50% sure about adopting & the hubbie doesn't want kids for $ reasons.  We're paying bills & wouldn't be able to if had more mouthes to feed.  :-)  As long as we're fulfilling God's will, we're happy.  I guess twisting his arm isn't going to be effective & if God would have wanted to change his heart, he would have by now. 

  

I'd like to add that somehow along the way, the idea of "family" has become comandeered by a small group of people who think that means Dad, Mom, + 2 children.  "Us four and no more," as our pastor pointed out last Sunday.  I think family is supposed to mean the family of God.  And that means that every human has a role to play in being there for other people & in assisting and helping others less fortunate.  Just as not everyone is supposed to write the great american novel, and some are fulfilling their destiny by scrubbing toilets; not everyone is supposed to be having kids or raising them.   A lot of different combos and configurations make up "families" these days, and I think we need to broaden our view of our usefulness and purpose when it comes to being "maternal" and "selfless" and all that.   

  

Let me be clear that the Mom, Dad + 2 kid family is important, too.  I'm not discounting any family configuration or makeup -- just embracing and expanding the definition that seems to be dominating today's definition of family. 

 
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October 18, 2005, 1:34 pm PDT

working women

I am somewhat going to the extreem to make a point here, so don't think I'm absurd! 

  

The lady on the show that said it's impossible for a woman to have a career and maintain the home, isnt exactly correct. It is for someone like her whom wasnt born with the natural tallent to be able to do both.  It's the exact same for men whom work multiple jobs! 

  

I dont have a problem with the working woman, however, if they do, I think their is a responcibility that should come along with it.  

  

Every woman out their wants a man whom is GAINFULLY employeed and can keep a roof over the familys heads. She will not even concider dating a man whom is over 20 and still works for minimum wage.  However, it has been my experience that if a man works at a company that is run by women, she will not give him enough hours to be able to maintain paying the rent, then complain that her employee isn't fully available for the business because he has to go out and find a second or third job. 

  

If a woman does work, she needs to have the mindset that if she is promoted to being a manager, she needs to give the men she hires full time work with a living wage! 

  

  

  

  

 
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October 18, 2005, 1:37 pm PDT

I believe in 100% Enthusiastic Parents

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Diaper changing is a breeze compared to a 12 year old girl battling puberty or whatever she is working on *grin* I need a good sturdy dose of self esteem to withstand the constant stream of reminders that I'm "uncool".  I wasn't a very patient person with other people's kids but the patience comes easy with my own kids. 

  

I'm sorry you were unable to have children of your own. There are children out there who need a good home-have you considered that option? 

If I'm almost there & hubby's not, that's not two 100% enthusiastically ready parents.  And the kids come first, so they are better off if I don't bring them into the world and present them with a less than enthusiastic dad.   

  

Maybe it's hard to explain.  But it's like knowing you're doing the best for them, yet sacrificing to some extent because you know you'd have lots of cool moments if you had them. 

  

Like I say, if God wants it, He'll make it happen.  And if He doesn't, He won't.  We're certainly clocking in a lot of "practice" at statting a family.  :-) 

 
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