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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 8:16 pm PDT

wondering...

I have read some posts where people are wondering what was really going on with Diana that she would say the things she did on the show as well as now on this board. 

  

I must confess I was wondering the same thing while watching the show(and now reading the board).  If I take her at her word, she is just stating her (rather rigid) opinion.  But im finding it very difficult to just take her at her word.  Cus...  people who are as fulfilled as she claims to be dont feel the need to vilify attack or judge others.  They are content with their life and world and go about their happy way.  Wishing others the best even if that best is defined differently then their own.  So... im confused.  

  

Playing arm chair shrink, it seems to me that Diana may not be as fullfilled as she claims to be and therefor needs to put down other womens choices.  I do realize she says shes not doing this.  But it seems pretty apparent to 99.9% of the posters on the board that is exactly what she is(and was on the show) doing.   

  

Course, I dont have a psychology degree and could be way off.   

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:16 pm PDT

Love to Diana & G'Nite

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Honestly, I don't even know you. 

  

My major issue is with daycare.  Who is with your kids while they're at work? 

Childsgirl, so you're trying to promote your radio show then?  Love to you, girl.  You're alright, but just need to relax a little and think more about the bigger picture & how other families might differ from yours.  Open up your expanse of experience, and try to avoid "putting kids first" in such a way as to insinuate working moms aren't.  Do a live and let live kind of theme from now on, and you'll be fine. Love & we're praying for you & all the moms out there.  Nite.
 
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October 10, 2005, 8:19 pm PDT

Read the fine print

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 all fine and dandy if you can understand that I don't believe in the bible and I believe in GODS not god. As long as I can do this

I don't believe in your God and the bible is just a book made to control you it is made by failable human beings in a time when woman had no rights.

That most of the stuff in your bible promotes slavery,sexism,incest and murder.
men are not suppose to touch woman when they have thier period and you father has the right to sell you as a slave to your neighbor and that woman cannot wear mens clothings.

READ THE FINE PRINT

you can believe in part of the bible but exclude the parts that don't fit society today.

Ever read the book of enoch written by the same people who wrote other parts of the bible. You read the book of enoch and you have the truth.

Obviously you haven't read the Bible.  There are many powerful women in the Bible, including queens, prophetesses, and women who supported their families.  Women worked and financially supported Jesus and the desciples throughout much of their travels.  Jesus held women in very high regard and so did the greatest men in the Bible.  If you wish to get technical on what it's all about, God absolutely abhors the mistreatment of women, and he stated so very concisely in the book of Leviticus.  He never encouraged Polygamy and that practice alone proved destructive to the men who practiced it.  He also never encouraged slavery, but rather insisted that a slave be released after seven years of service.  As for sexism, incest and murder, those are a part of the history that the Bible tells.  Some of the books therein are so exciting and riveting, you wouldn't be able to put it down until you'd read till then end.  Try reading Song of Solomon.  It's a beautiful love story...between a man and a woman.  BTW  Check out I Kings 16, 18, 19 & 21 and Revelation 2:20. 

   Also:  Enoch was not canonized into the scriptures because it was not designated to be of the "Inspired Word of God."  Therefore It is not included in the collected works of the Bible.  I've heard that it was included in the Catholic "bible", as that particular collection of works included many theological writings such as the works of Josephus, but I do not own a Catholic bible.  But then, the Catholic church does not encourage its congregation to actually read their bibles. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:21 pm PDT

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I saw the clip of this show and I'm sure its going to upset me to watch. 

Women, just because men treated us on the whole like slaves for centuries does not mean it is what God intended. 

IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man.  It doesn't make sense to me though, I know I wasn't made from man and that empowers me to realize I'm here to make up my own mind about how to let people (men) treat me.    

BTW, my husband is a loving caring individual, and an excellent father.  He does as much of the house cleaning and he listens to me.    

If you know that you were not made as the Bible states, then how do  you believe you were made?   

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:22 pm PDT

You can twist that book anyway you want

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Obviously you haven't read the Bible.  There are many powerful women in the Bible, including queens, prophetesses, and women who supported their families.  Women worked and financially supported Jesus and the desciples throughout much of their travels.  Jesus held women in very high regard and so did the greatest men in the Bible.  If you wish to get technical on what it's all about, God absolutely abhors the mistreatment of women, and he stated so very concisely in the book of Leviticus.  He never encouraged Polygamy and that practice alone proved destructive to the men who practiced it.  He also never encouraged slavery, but rather insisted that a slave be released after seven years of service.  As for sexism, incest and murder, those are a part of the history that the Bible tells.  Some of the books therein are so exciting and riveting, you wouldn't be able to put it down until you'd read till then end.  Try reading Song of Solomon.  It's a beautiful love story...between a man and a woman.  BTW  Check out I Kings 16, 18, 19 & 21 and Revelation 2:20. 

   Also:  Enoch was not canonized into the scriptures because it was not designated to be of the "Inspired Word of God."  Therefore It is not included in the collected works of the Bible.  I've heard that it was included in the Catholic "bible", as that particular collection of works included many theological writings such as the works of Josephus, but I do not own a Catholic bible.  But then, the Catholic church does not encourage its congregation to actually read their bibles. 

 I have read the bible and what I got out of it was what I wrote. You can twist the facts all you want but I am not falling for it.
That book is made to contol people.
Some people need that book in order to be good people.
I am a good person without the book. I do not need visions of hell or a boogy man like Satan to make me be a good person.
I am good inside because I choose to be knowing that nothing awaits for me in the end but silence.
 
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October 10, 2005, 8:25 pm PDT

By George I Think We've Got it!

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I have read some posts where people are wondering what was really going on with Diana that she would say the things she did on the show as well as now on this board. 

  

I must confess I was wondering the same thing while watching the show(and now reading the board).  If I take her at her word, she is just stating her (rather rigid) opinion.  But im finding it very difficult to just take her at her word.  Cus...  people who are as fulfilled as she claims to be dont feel the need to vilify attack or judge others.  They are content with their life and world and go about their happy way.  Wishing others the best even if that best is defined differently then their own.  So... im confused.  

  

Playing arm chair shrink, it seems to me that Diana may not be as fullfilled as she claims to be and therefor needs to put down other womens choices.  I do realize she says shes not doing this.  But it seems pretty apparent to 99.9% of the posters on the board that is exactly what she is(and was on the show) doing.   

  

Course, I dont have a psychology degree and could be way off.   

Yes.  I thnk that's it.  Thanks for your post.  Nite now.
 
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October 10, 2005, 8:26 pm PDT

We evolved..evalution!

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If you know that you were not made as the Bible states, then how do  you believe you were made?   

 We evolved from primates over millions of years and we are still evolving.
Scientific proof?

why in the world doesn't the bible ever talk about dinosaurs.. hmm let me think..
because the humans who wrote the bible had no idea about thier exsistance yet...so they include it in thier made up book.

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:27 pm PDT

SORRY

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 all fine and dandy if you can understand that I don't believe in the bible and I believe in GODS not god. As long as I can do this

I don't believe in your God and the bible is just a book made to control you it is made by failable human beings in a time when woman had no rights.

That most of the stuff in your bible promotes slavery,sexism,incest and murder.
men are not suppose to touch woman when they have thier period and you father has the right to sell you as a slave to your neighbor and that woman cannot wear mens clothings.

READ THE FINE PRINT

you can believe in part of the bible but exclude the parts that don't fit society today.

Ever read the book of enoch written by the same people who wrote other parts of the bible. You read the book of enoch and you have the truth.

I know this is a message board about "Wifestyles", but after I read how you feel about the Bible - I just feel like I need to reply to that part of it.   

  

I am sorry for you that you have such hurtful views of God's word.  I am new in my Faith and do not know everything, but I can sense that you have a hurt soul just by reading your words.  Only you can make the decision on what to believe, but it may be wise for you to review your beliefs if they are going to make you have such negative thoughts and words.  

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:28 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

people who are as fulfilled as she claims to be dont feel the need to vilify attack or judge others.  They are content with their life and world and go about their happy way.  Wishing others the best even if that best is defined differently then their own.   

  

See, now, I agree with this.  What is the phrase....."thou dost protest too much"?  Everybody I know who is truly satisfied and fulfilled don't usually waste energy judging others.  Why would they?  Look at Robin....she's a dedicated "stay at home, cater to your husband" kind of woman, which I think is great if it's for you, but has no reason to tell other women that they should do that.  I'm not saying women should work like I do.  Who am I to say what will work for someone else, their marriage or their kids?  I have my own corner of the world to worry about. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:28 pm PDT

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I may not be a working mom(for pay that is) but my children have the best example of womanhood given to them and the example comes from me. I am a well educated and I and my husband love and respect each other and we honor one anothers dreams and values. I do on accasion take on line courses as I already have a degee. And I have no problem doing odd jobs which includes baby sitting, cleaning and filing and whatever else one might need to be done. My children will learn how a man/husband is to treat a woman/wife as well as the opposite. They are learning to love and respect themselves and are encouraged to be and to do whatever they want in life, They are being taught responsibility and accountable for their actions and the fact that if they want to be happy and succeed in life they need to work hard and go after what they want, not to allow any one to belittle or to disrespect them for they are worth a whole lot more then that. How a child grows up and views life as being married or single, basically will depend on the atmosphere, teachings of the home. I was single til I was 29 years of age and believe me, I have self worth and I am as complete as any woman can be. I have a life outside of my children as I have a supportive husband, as I said, on accasions I do volunteer work,(my children go with me) I go to my mom's bible study, I teach at church, I sing on the praise team, I go out with friends once in awhile and I do scrapbooking and my favorite, dates with my hubby, we spend time together as a family and I maintain a home and join my daughter in her preschool activities, I choose to be a stay at home mom and it is the best for my family and I am losing out on nothing and my children are growing and are happy and secure. I want my children to experience life to it's fullest and their daddy and I are/will be theri biggest boosters and encouragers and whether they choose to be a stay at home mom or a working mom will be up to them but I pray that they will find their one and only that will love, cherish and honor them for who they are(and vice versa) for when ever this happens, there are happy marriages. Those marriages ending up in divorce is becasue of lack of respect and committment and now days, it is too bad that most marriages are not based on those things and that one seems to think they can dominate the other but that is not what my children are learning thankfully they have two good role models and they are from within their home. I feel that I am the model that they need for I have always strived to be the best that I could possibly be no matter my role in life and I believe what I am teaching my children is the way that my Lord would have me to, I am not perfect as I have made mistakes and my children know it, We talk about our mistakes together and we pray together as a family asking for God's guidance, wisdom and desire for our lives, I am definetly the role model for my children.

Thanks for your reply. I believe you just made my point. A womon needs to give her family the best example of herself that she can. Some women are able to do that working as a stay at home mom and others work both outside and inside the home.  

  

The most important thing is that her husband and children have the benefit of experiencing her at her best and know that they can be the best of themselves as well.  

  

  

  

  

 
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