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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 8, 2005, 10:58 pm PDT

I do the same thing

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  I think that the mind set that we are seeing here from men is the last effects of the womens rights act.  I am 27 and I know that my husbands mother waited on her husbands and sons like a maid.  She only had 4 boys.  Even to this day when we go visit my husbands family, his mom makes all the meals, does all the cleaning and when everyone is done eating - they plop down in front of the TV while she does all the dishes and all with her make-up done and her high heels on.   The husbands wives however are all expected to help with the cleaning and the cooking.  I refuse to bend on this one, so I get all the dirty looks and whispering because I clean my own plate, then go plop down in front of the TV with the guys.  This generation of men are grown up and expecting the same things.  Hopefully, we can raise our children to all be on a level playing field and finally break free from the past.  I am willing to bet that any man that has these expectations had a mother like this one. 

  

Ya, a stay at home wife has responsiblities to raise her kids in a clean house.  I don't mean immaculate for the husband - I mean clean of bacteria, any choking hazard, mold and so on.  A CLEAN HOUSE.  However, a wife should not ever have to run her house according to her husbands expectations.  My husband had to really let go of the roles he learning growing up.  He now realizes that his way isn't always the only way, and to fight with me and put me down over my hair not being done and the sink not shining is knit picking and hurtful to me.   

Maybe it's how I was raised, but I never have helped clean dishes at anyone's home. 

I was lucky on the role thing.  My husband came from a family of women, Mother, three sisters and one brother, all older.  He had a father figure untll he was 15 but he considers all the time spent with him as bad.    All of this molded my husband into the wonderful father and partner I now share my life with. 

I grew up in an unusual household myself.  My dad is an avid reader, a history teacher, opera lover, and conversationalist.  The first time I saw people watching sports on the holidays I was shocked.  We NEVER watched any sports at home, I'm lucky my husband only bothers to catch occasional home team games.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:02 pm PDT

It would be nice if that were always true

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Well, hopefully, they're with a parent or other relative.  I am sincerely hoping they are not in daycare, at least not the little one. 

  

You do put your life on hold when you have kids, or at least you should.  When you have kids, you go from having your own life to giving them a life (and I don't mean material things).  Women who stay at home with their kids and sacrifice to be the ones who raise them, are the most selfless human beings on the planet. 

  

I wasn't assuming there were problems in your marriage.   

I don't think it's nice of you to bash daycare, since the "American" way is to now work your butt off to just get by.  Many families don't have family they can count on. 

  

SAHM's are not always unselfish:  my stepdaughter's mother doesn't put her life on hold so that she can party, but that's not me.  I'm the type person that continues learning throughout life.  I saw what my stepdaughter went through being bumped from place to place.   

Finally, since you must know, my daughter stays with my mother (but is she at 58 someone YOU approve of?) while I'm in school.  The Education is being paid for by my PARENTS.  This is best for me and my family. 

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:28 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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ultimately, my husband and I both created our babies together and because we are a team, it is also his privelege to help. It isn't about my job, your job in our home, it is about partnership and taking our roles as spouses and parents serious. My husband works alot of hours as well and I don't expect him to come straight home and dig in, he has his time and relaxing times and all but thankfully he considers helping me his obligation as well as a great honor and when one of us can't put our best effort in, the other is there to take over, it is about family and partnership. I think we are basically saying the same thing here with maybe the exception that you are saying that it isn't your husbands job to do the night shift? so he has the option to help or not to help? Parenting takes two therefore it is BOTH of our jobs to take care of the home and family.If I understand you correctly, you are basically saying that he is only responsible for his day shift which is his job but you are responsible for your day shift AS WELL AS the night shift? I don' t think any in the work force would like it if their boss told them that one employee is responsible for one shift but you are responsible for TWO shifts and if the other feels the urge to help you that is fine but otherwise, it is your responsibility to work both shifts. Well it is going on 2 A.M. and I gotta get up and get to church early and depending on how hubby is feeling (he has been sick) he may be the one to get the girls up and dressed and off to church. Thank God I have a husband who is ready and willing to help with his children. : )

Every post from you comes off with this air of anger or disgust.  Not sure why. 


As I stated, my husband is always willing to help, but the bulk falls on me because it's my job. 

  

We created babies together too.  Because he provides financially and otherwise I don't mind doing the dishes. 

  

Believe it or not, I actually do get out of the house with friends, I write a newspaper column, I wrote a book on SAHM's and I host a website for them as well.  (They wont let me post the address here).   

  

The point I was trying to make with the job thing was that my husband works hard during the day, and so do I.  I just don't think he needs to come home to a messy house or no dinner, because that would be the equivalent of him paying only half the bills. 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:32 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I don't think it's nice of you to bash daycare, since the "American" way is to now work your butt off to just get by.  Many families don't have family they can count on. 

  

SAHM's are not always unselfish:  my stepdaughter's mother doesn't put her life on hold so that she can party, but that's not me.  I'm the type person that continues learning throughout life.  I saw what my stepdaughter went through being bumped from place to place.   

Finally, since you must know, my daughter stays with my mother (but is she at 58 someone YOU approve of?) while I'm in school.  The Education is being paid for by my PARENTS.  This is best for me and my family. 

  

You know, I can throw out statistics and studies into daycare if you like, but you should know what's wrong with it.  I just think our society as a whole is failing our children when we encourage women to have babies and then leave them with strangers.  I don't want my kids growing up with somebody else's beliefs because I was at work. 

  

I know money is neccessary, and I know that a lot of families have to have both parents working.  I could get into the whole "don't over extend yourself" so that you can be home, but I won't. 

  

My husband and I make a lot of sacrifices so I can be home.  I thought maybe I could go back to school at one point, and then I realized that it just wasn't my turn.  I would go back when I was done raising my kids. 

  

I wouldn't know if I approve of your mother.  If I needed childcare, I would approve of mine and she's 63.   


As far as your step-daughter's mother, that's really too bad.  I think my husband's ex is a real witch, too and my exhusband thinks all I do is sit around. 

 

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October 8, 2005, 11:46 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I really didn;t mean to offend and I do apologize. I know and understand exactly what you are talking about as I was a littel scared of marriage myself as I grew p ina very unstable home but luckily I did have good role models and they were people from my church. Marriage is a scaryt thing as we really don't know what to expect. Maybe I shouldn't have started my post the way I did, but the topice caught me a little off gaurd I think because there are men who do think their wives are nothing but their sex toys and slaves buit they are so wrong, we are human just like they are and we have dreams and needs as wellas they do, we need relaxation and friends just like they do and I think it sad that so many wives feel that they are slaves to their husabnds and that their children can rule theri every move. It is spelled out in the Bible on how husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church and CHrist did not mistreat, abuse or manipulate the church, He loved the church and even died for it (meaning the people) Any way, marriage is about two people honoring and respecting each other, not to take away ones value. A good wife will honr her husabnd and respect and appreciate his efforts and will boost him up and will treat him with dignity and help take care of his needs the best way that she can, and she will value his love and will have the desire to please him in the marriage but without a loving and supportive husabnd that can be very hard, it actually can drain a wife and casue her to not be all she can be. Being married is about working to gether and being their for each other and if you have all this and so much more, you would make a wonderful wife. It doesn't mean perfection from either side as none of us are perfect, but forgiveness and confidence in each other are great assets in a marriage relationship.
 LOL, I understand what you are saying, and believe me, sometimes it is a daily struggle for me...as I'm sure it is for a lot of people, men and women. 

Also, it just goes to show you, two people can read the exact same sentance and interpret it two different ways!  LoL:)  I appreciate the apology.  As I mentioned earlier, Relationship Rescue is on our Christmas list.  And I have started to try everyday to do at least one small thing for my husband, something just for him.  To show him I love him.  We have had a really rough year in our marriage, and need to work together to build up our relationship.  It just doesn't seem like there is ever any time for just  the two of us. 
 
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October 9, 2005, 5:27 am PDT

Loyalty above everything

What makes a good wife?  Same thing as what makes a good husband.  A sense of loyalty and commitment to the other person that is unbending no matter what the circumstance.  A clean house and great sex amount to nothing if you don't have that loyalty going.  Take my word for it--I've had years of great sex with my husband and my house could not be cleaner but once I found out he had cheated on me none of that mattered.  He was no longer a "great" husband.  And i obviously wasn't a "great" wife.  Kind of sad, isn't it?
 
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October 9, 2005, 5:39 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

 Maybe I shouldn't wiegh in on this subject because by choice I did not have children. My husband and I are self employed and are together all day long.  I do all the chores at home, cooking, cleaning, taking care of the yard ect.  I enjoy it. It is like therapy for me.  

  

It gives me pleasure to make a nice meal that we can enjoy together at the end of the day and that my husband can kick back and relax, but if I don't feel like cooking he takes me to dinner or we order pizza. He appreciates all I do and tells me so every day and I do the same. We are a team! 

  

I  can leave work early or basicly set my own schedule so I can go home and take care of us on the "home front" while he stays at work and makes sure the money is still coming in. I guess  I have the best of both worlds in that I do have a flexible job that allows me some freedom to make a comfortable home for the two of us and also contribute to our income. 

  

I take my hat off to all the women out there that have children and either choose to be a stay at home mom or also work outside of the home.  I know its got to be a tough job either way. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 7:43 am PDT

doing it all and loving it

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 Maybe I shouldn't wiegh in on this subject because by choice I did not have children. My husband and I are self employed and are together all day long.  I do all the chores at home, cooking, cleaning, taking care of the yard ect.  I enjoy it. It is like therapy for me.  

  

It gives me pleasure to make a nice meal that we can enjoy together at the end of the day and that my husband can kick back and relax, but if I don't feel like cooking he takes me to dinner or we order pizza. He appreciates all I do and tells me so every day and I do the same. We are a team! 

  

I  can leave work early or basicly set my own schedule so I can go home and take care of us on the "home front" while he stays at work and makes sure the money is still coming in. I guess  I have the best of both worlds in that I do have a flexible job that allows me some freedom to make a comfortable home for the two of us and also contribute to our income. 

  

I take my hat off to all the women out there that have children and either choose to be a stay at home mom or also work outside of the home.  I know its got to be a tough job either way. 

I can say that I do all the housework and taking care of the children in our home.  My husband works approx. 12-14 hours a day and doesn't have time to do anything but work and sleep.  This thank goodness is only temporary but none the less, what is happening right now.   

I feel that if he is going to work those hours and I am going to stay home and choose not to work then it is my "job" to clean the house, cook the meals, do the laundry, and take care of the children. 

As one said before, it is like therapy for me as well.   

It is nice now and then to be appreciated for all that we do, but I guess the paycheck at the end of the week shows that he cares. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 7:46 am PDT

Marriage license is NOT an ownership document

Greetings.........Tho from a legal sense, marriage is a document of legally cohabitating together, it certainly does NOT mean,  man owns woman. The key in a marriage is LOVE for each other, all the rest will fall into place, for each other. Love does not mean control, ownership of, but equally sharing life together. My present hubby of almost 40 yrs literally rescued me from the "pitts of hell", I can be ME, 24/7, and I love him even more for understanding that I, too need my own space. For all of us, yesterday is gone, tomorrow may never be ours, CHERISH TODAY.
 
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October 9, 2005, 8:21 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I can say that I do all the housework and taking care of the children in our home.  My husband works approx. 12-14 hours a day and doesn't have time to do anything but work and sleep.  This thank goodness is only temporary but none the less, what is happening right now.   

I feel that if he is going to work those hours and I am going to stay home and choose not to work then it is my "job" to clean the house, cook the meals, do the laundry, and take care of the children. 

As one said before, it is like therapy for me as well.   

It is nice now and then to be appreciated for all that we do, but I guess the paycheck at the end of the week shows that he cares. 

my hub works about that many hours, and i take care of my only child whose 4 months old and i work part time. being a mother is a hard job to do, whether its one child or twenty. the thing is, i work just as many hours as he does, most of them at home and i don't get any help or any graditude for the jobs that i do. i pressure him to help me b/c i work and make money also. it stresses me out when i feel like i'm raising two children. he thinks a good wife is one who cleans, cooks, takes care of the kids and gives him pleasure every night. i have a big problem with that b/c i have a lot of issues that make having sex all the time not fun for me. so what do you do when both wear the pants and make the money? but the only thing he does is work.
 
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