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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 11, 2005, 9:30 am PDT

it is now 2005

Dear Dr.Phil, 

  

I think that if you are a stay at home wife, you should cook and clean the house. BUT your husbon should also help out with house work. We don't live in the 1800's any more. If you both work then both should take turns. Not just put it on the wife. for myself I go to school, come home and watch your show, then make supper. But we both clean house together. But this just makes me frustraed.  

your turly, 

katie (20 years old) 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:31 am PDT

Stay At Home Moms (if you can)

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While watching the show, my heart went out to Kelly.  You could see the hurt look on her face finding out her husband thinks she needs to improve herself. She has three small children, who she must take up much of her day.   I have so much I would like to say but can't put it into words. But here are a few comments 

Kelly - Keep telling yourself you are a wonderful person, you do the best you can. Remember your children come first housework can wait.  Your children are young for such a short time,  it seems like once they start school they grow so fast. 

Grant - Love your wife for who she is, don't try to make her into something she is not. If she wanted to dress up sexy and wash your truck or mow the lawn she would do it.  You seemed a little frustrated when you had to take care of the children & the house for a day. Try doing it 24/7. 

And finally Diana 

Diana - I glad you can stay home and take care of your children and home. But I do find your are on the anal side. Who plans meals a year in advance. Do you actually stick to these menu's?  Diana you need to relax a little enjoy life. It seems all you do is take care of your children, clean and cook. Maybe you need to take a day off take your kids to the Park, or to a zoo.  

  

While my four boys were young, I drove trucks and was gone a lot. My late wife nurtured those boys, fed them and made sure they had clean clothes for school. We just got by financially, but, she did not complain. When I was home, I did as much as I could to help out. We loved each other, and, I do not believe that we thought of role playing. We did not judge each other. Thats crazy. When I love my wife, I do everything I can to make her happy. Doing little things, like giving her a single red rose, or giving her a day out. Grant is too much into himself and he really needs help
 
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October 11, 2005, 9:48 am PDT

Brush up on your spelling

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Dear Dr.Phil, 

  

I think that if you are a stay at home wife, you should cook and clean the house. BUT your husbon should also help out with house work. We don't live in the 1800's any more. If you both work then both should take turns. Not just put it on the wife. for myself I go to school, come home and watch your show, then make supper. But we both clean house together. But this just makes me frustraed.  

your turly, 

katie (20 years old) 

Before you get a husbon-please learn to spell it correctly HUSBAND!  In addition, frustraed is spelled frustrated and your turly is Yours truly!  Maybe you can spend more time on learning to spell while watching Dr. Phil.  If you trust your husband doing laundry, look forward to a lifetime of wearing pink socks and underwear. 

 

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October 11, 2005, 9:50 am PDT

I would love to read your book!

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I have to watch your shows the day after the fact and I watched your wifestyles show on Oct 11. I totally agree with the second lady with the exception of not being able to do all that and hold down employment. I have always been a lady in the livingroom, a chef in the kitchen and a love goddess in the bedroom. In other words, I had six kids, husband, a clean house, and a fulltime job or college. I never had a problem! As a matter of fact I even write a book about it. (Unpublished) Maybe one day you will consider reading it. I would love to hear your opinion about it. It is about how to be a lady. I call it, "In Pursuit Of Hapiness-A Complete Manual On How To Be A Woman."

Why isn't it published yet?  Is it unfinished? I'm always looking for ways to improve and you sound like you have it going on! 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:51 am PDT

I just have to say....

As things are dying down, and everybody's moving onto a new subject, I hope that you enjoyed the show.  My intention was to go on there and let the stay at home wife/mother know that there are people out there that understand who she might be feeling, and that there is light at the end of the tunnel. 

  

If even one person got something out of what I said, then that makes me feel really good. 

  

Diana (from the show) 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:54 am PDT

Be clear on this

I write this out of concern to everyone who chooses to be a stay-at-home wife over working outside the home. Your financial dependence on your husband may jeopardize your well being in the event of a divorce.  

  

After a 10 year marriage, I found myself out of an abusive relationship and divorced. I thank God repeatedly that I had sought and obtained a university education and possesed a reasonably strong resume 'during' my marriage. Had I stayed at home during this time, with no work experience -  I would have ended up on the street. I have seen many women - husbands left, cheating spouse, escaping abuse etc. in extremely bad circumstances due to their lack of education, training and recent work experience.  

  

Not every woman will get substantial alimony or support payments. Not everyone has property to split. Children end up living in undesirable neighborhoods as better areas are unaffordable for their now single mothers. 

  

Don't place so much weight on a man's ability to support and take care of you. It may end suddenly. We hope we don't end up in such a negative situation but as the divorce rate is close to 60%, women need to reconsider their roles.   

  

Improve yourselves via education, training and work. I did and it literally saved my life and gave me better choices. Women are responsible for developing their non-domestic abilities also. Emphasis on "wifestyle" is only good while the marriage lasts. Just think of all the emotionally abused women (as seen on Dr. Phil's show) who put up with a jerk of a husband while trying to maintain their self esteem.  They appear to define themselves and concern themselves as wives only, when they can be so much more as a well rounded, financially independent person.  

  

Remember: No one who walked down the aisle thought they would end up divorced. Unfortunately the majority of us do end up in this unplanned circumstance and women usually end up on the negative end of it.  You could have the cleanest home, cook the best meals and it will not prevent a divorce. People split up for far more serious reasons.  

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:54 am PDT

Being a wife

I just wanted to leave a message on this board about yesterdays (10/9/05) show "wifestandards". I trully enjoy being a wife. My marriage is healthy and vital. My husband works full time as the bread winner and I stay at home. I believe that women should be a partner to their husband and still understand that he is the head of the household. He should make more money than the wife. And he should respect her, love her and take care of her. Being a housewife is a postion of honor and respect. She is vital to the marriage. I believe that the family should come first and the career second in a woman's life. We as Americans are all screwed up morally becuase woman have been taught to be on a power trip. Women when they ony care about themselves and their own careers get in the way tend to demoralize the family. Also it is not natural for the man to be in submission under the wife. When the man is in charge he is less frustrated and more relaxed. I am a housewife who is honored and cared for by my husband because he loves me. He cherishes me for staying at home. I have a BA and could have a really great job but I choose to stay at home and run our home based business. I own a home based business because I want to help him finacially and yet I can clean house, run errands, and take care of my family
 
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October 11, 2005, 9:56 am PDT

Interesting comment about the single lady

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First, I don't think Grant is a bad guy. I just don't think he GOT it, but now he does. Let's hope so because his wife appears very beaten down. Humans aren't perfect and now Grant can see the pain in his wife's face. I bet he changes and the couple goes on to have a beautiful partnership! 

  

The stay-at-home-mother was cool; she made her choice and she loves it! I was worried how she would come off, but she did agree that Grant was wrong to treat his wife the way he did. I just wish Dr. Phil would have applauded her when she said that she should treat her husband with respect, he should treat her (his wife) with respect and that's what marriage is all about. It's give and take. I worked full-time and tried to raise our first child. I was sick all the time and passed the sickneses on to her. She was stuck in daycare from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. and then it was rush, rush, rush. I was inpatient and nothing was done very well...there simply was not enough hours in the day. We women CAN'T have it all unless we want to do some things just plain crappy. Perhaps some of what is contributing to the 57% divorce rate is the fact that everybody (men and women) are stressed, sick, tired and feeling guilty. Kids come first. If we can afford it, why not give them 100% of us until they enter school (when we can work parttime) instead of allowing strangers to raise them. If we can't afford it, let's simply try our best to put their wants and needs before ours (and part of that is having a healthy marriage so they have a great mom and dad in their home). 

  

As for the single lady, more power to you! You obviously want to keep YOU first. That's your choice. You are smart not to get married. However, I have a wonderful partnership and I am very independent....own savings (along with joint savings), own thoughts, own opinions, own fun nights out with the girls, etc. But what is the best part is the support, love and affection I get from my husband DAILY. We are a team that will last until death. And we have 2 great children who benefit from our partnership. I'll check back with you in 20 years to see how you are faring alone. If you're doing well, great. If you're not, perhaps you shouldn't have viewed marriage as all give or all take. It doesn't have to be that way. My marriage is super and it's great to wake up next to a warm, soft body each morning! It's also the way our wonderful God intended:) 

Hello - I appreciate your comment for the most part. I find the point about checking back with me to see how I am faring in 20 years perhaps the most interesting part of all for many reasons, and it may even be difficult to write them all here.  

  

First, I said that I have chosen to be single and enjoy my life this way. I think it is a valuable, valid, and fulfilling lifestyle decision just as those who choose to marry must certainly find that valuable, valid, and fulfilling. Now, if I were to meet a newlywed woman who says that being married was the path she has chosen and that she enjoys being married and I was to respond, "well, let me check back in 20 years and find out if you're still happily married or even married at all," I believe that I would be in actuality, negating or denying the validity of her choice.  

  

Let me explain why: I don't think that the outcome, over time, of a choice can be the factor that validates that choice as an acceptable or unacceptable one. Consider the war in Iraq or war in general. I think, morally, that countries need to have reasons to go war that do not depend upon the outcome of the war. In other words, it shouldn't be, "well, that war wasn't justified because we weren't the victors." Or "well, yeah, it was justified to invade that country because look how well it turned out." Countries need to have reasons powerful enough and compelling enough to go to war independent of the outcome.  

  

Similarly, the decision to get married and to feel that marriage is the lifestyle for you should precede and be independent of the outcome of your particular marriage. Even if your marriage ended in divorce or something worse, that should not, in my opinion, change your overall perception of the value of marriage for your life or for other people's lives.  

  

The same is true for my being single. Being single, I believe, (and I'm sure other women who have chosen this life as well believe, ) is a legitimate path for a woman to follow. Whether I am doing well or poorly in 20 years does not have even the slightest effect upon whether or not my choice is legitimate. If you really think about it, people of all walks of life sometimes do well one year, another year not so well, and it vacillates, undulates, and fluctuates throughout any one person's lifetime. That is the journey of life.  

  

In fact, what I perceive as I read beneath the lines of your comment about how I will be doing in 20 years is that you are invoking the concept of the "old maid" or the "spinster" - the lonely old single woman stereotype that has long been a staple of U.S. culture. Add 50 cats and a small apartment and you have completed the stereotypical image.  So you are using a traditionally negative concept, and you may not be aware of it even. I do see some progress here though because while a woman used to be a lonely old maid at the age of  23, I guess the age has moved up now. I am 33, and you want to check back with me in 20 years. So, apparently, you predict that by age 53, I could have finally become the lonely old maid, weeping in the corner of my apartment, in the fetal position, with my 50 cats on top of me, moaning, "Why, why, why didn't I get married? What was I thinking? Being single??"  

  

I truly think that how I am doing in 20 years is irrelevant, so I won't even speak to my image of my own future except to say that I am certain that I will live a rich, full, and meaningful life as a single woman just as married women do. But if I fall upon hardship, something that is an acknowledged part of life, that doesn't reflect upon whether being single was an important path to follow for me and/or any other women.  

  

Sincerely,  

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:56 am PDT

being a good wife

I just wanted to leave a message on this board about yesterdays (10/9/05) show "wifestandards". I trully enjoy being a wife. My marriage is healthy and vital. My husband works full time as the bread winner and I stay at home. I believe that women should be a partner to their husband and still understand that he is the head of the household. He should make more money than the wife. And he should respect her, love her and take care of her. Being a housewife is a postion of honor and respect. She is vital to the marriage. I believe that the family should come first and the career second in a woman's life. We as Americans are all screwed up morally becuase woman have been taught to be on a power trip. Women when they ony care about themselves and their own careers get in the way tend to demoralize the family. Also it is not natural for the man to be in submission under the wife. When the man is in charge he is less frustrated and more relaxed. I am a housewife who is honored and cared for by my husband because he loves me. He cherishes me for staying at home. I have a BA and could have a really great job but I choose to stay at home and run our home based business. I own a home based business because I want to help him finacially and yet I can clean house, run errands, and take care of my family
 

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October 11, 2005, 10:03 am PDT

GOOD GRIEF

Grant, it'll be a LONG time before you get  the husband of the year award!!  What makes you think you are the only one entitled to some joy!  You should be so happy, on any given day, that THERE is a HOT meal on the table!!  I also had 3 young children, 4,2 and a newborn.  My husband did absolutely NOTHING the 1st 10 years of our marriage. I was just so happy to be a wife and mother!After my 3rd child and surgery, he was thrown into the fire!  He had to learn in 3 days how to cook, clean, bath and dress as well as feed our 3.  I left him written instructions on every appliance in the  house!  He learned and fast!  When you married Kelly-you became a TEAM-start being a "team" player!  Just because you are "outside" of the home busting your butt, doesn't mean your wife and partner isn't IN the home busting hers.  Being a mother is the most unappreciated job in the world, BUT our rewards do come to us when our children are grown. Ten fold!  Be a part of that, why wouldn't you want to be!  My children are now 28,26,23.  They are the most important and wonderful things I have ever had in my life, besides there father.  We still work as a TEAM. We have 32 years together.  We shop together, I'm the cook, he's the clean up crew.  We share yard work-I'm the pool guy and he's the lawn mower. We both wash and iron our clothes.  Marriage and family is a GIFT to each other.  Bring Kelly a pick me up bouquet sometime and tell her she is the most beutiful, wonderful thing in your life!  Don't critize her methods-it's her "workspace".  I don't think  you'd like to be graded on your skills. AND, one final thing, Grant. . .  do you "dress up" for Kelly?  Think before you critize-you may be given the whole ball of wax if you aren't careful.  You have a beautiful, loving wife, and 3 precious children.  Count your blessings. 

  

 
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