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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 11, 2005, 2:33 pm PDT

Absolutely true

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I write this out of concern to everyone who chooses to be a stay-at-home wife over working outside the home. Your financial dependence on your husband may jeopardize your well being in the event of a divorce.  

  

After a 10 year marriage, I found myself out of an abusive relationship and divorced. I thank God repeatedly that I had sought and obtained a university education and possesed a reasonably strong resume 'during' my marriage. Had I stayed at home during this time, with no work experience -  I would have ended up on the street. I have seen many women - husbands left, cheating spouse, escaping abuse etc. in extremely bad circumstances due to their lack of education, training and recent work experience.  

  

Not every woman will get substantial alimony or support payments. Not everyone has property to split. Children end up living in undesirable neighborhoods as better areas are unaffordable for their now single mothers. 

  

Don't place so much weight on a man's ability to support and take care of you. It may end suddenly. We hope we don't end up in such a negative situation but as the divorce rate is close to 60%, women need to reconsider their roles.   

  

Improve yourselves via education, training and work. I did and it literally saved my life and gave me better choices. Women are responsible for developing their non-domestic abilities also. Emphasis on "wifestyle" is only good while the marriage lasts. Just think of all the emotionally abused women (as seen on Dr. Phil's show) who put up with a jerk of a husband while trying to maintain their self esteem.  They appear to define themselves and concern themselves as wives only, when they can be so much more as a well rounded, financially independent person.  

  

Remember: No one who walked down the aisle thought they would end up divorced. Unfortunately the majority of us do end up in this unplanned circumstance and women usually end up on the negative end of it.  You could have the cleanest home, cook the best meals and it will not prevent a divorce. People split up for far more serious reasons.  

  

  

Amen sister!  Been there.. done that. 

 
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October 11, 2005, 2:36 pm PDT

Sad...

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   I am in no way trying to start an arguement with anyone.  I was just a little bothered by one of your remarks.  "IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man."  I do firmly believe this because it is in the BIBLE.  And I wholeheartedly believe the bible.  With that said, I am in no way a doormat to my husband.  I choose to do all the laundry and cook all the meals but that is because I stay home with our kids.  It's the least I can do for him.  But when he gets home if I haven't felt well or had a rough day and dinner isn't made there is definitely no fights.  He is more than willing to come home and make dinner or at least help with making dinner.  He understands that just because I am a "Stay at home MOM" doesn't mean I sit around all day and watch soaps or the DR Phil show.  I actually record the show and watch it later in the night while I am in bed.  And just another note...Woman actually means.."from man" so yes dear you were made from man.  God created Eve WITH Adam's rib.  If you weren't made from man what were you made from??  Just a question.  I am happy that you are married to a caring individual and that he is willing to help.  But just because I believe what you don't doesn't mean that My husband isn't willing to help.  He is more than willing.  We share all the household cleaning equally.  Yes during the week I keep the house neat and clutter free, but come the weekend we are BOTH cleaning the house.  I wish you the best of luck in your marriage and GOD BLESS 

You seem unable to comprehend how woman could have come about if not by man's rib-- as though that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for our existance.  sigh...  

I was not made from a man and you were not made from a man.  The Bible is a book of fables written by men thousands of years ago in an attempt to explain the world around them and to control the masses.  And from what I've read in some of these postings so far, it's still working after all these years!   

Thousands of years ago, a bunch of men got sick of being asked, "Where did people come from?  Why is a pig called a pig?  How come childbirth is painful?"  so they decided to MAKE IT UP and write it down.  All those stories were compiled and there you have it: the Bible.  The same men wanted women to be subservient and didn't like homosexuals, so they told everyone that their "creator" felt that way and would punish anyone who deviated from those rules.  See?  That's how every religion and belief system started.  The Bible was (and still is) a very very clever tool for controlling people.  Instill enough fear in people that they will enter some horrific pit of fire and misery if they don't conform to a bunch of arbitrary rules, and they'll do just about anything to avoid going to that imaginary place.  Religious fundamentalists would rather close their minds and convince themselves that a man LIVED IN A WHALE for a few days than think about the possibility of "hell."  Many stories in the Bible are wise and beautiful parables, but they are not true stories meant to be taken literally.  If people would wake up to that fact and start using the potentially reasonable, brilliant minds they have, this world would be a much more fair and loving place.   

 
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October 11, 2005, 2:36 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I find it hard to believe this poster is serious, but I'll reply anyway because nowadays no absurd opinion really surprises me.  The best reason to have a child is because you have love to share with a child and you want that child to be yours and your mate's.  The most selfish reason would be in order to see your DNA replicated and to "stay in the game of life," as you say.  Some people's DNA is better off unreplicated, don't you think?  And if you haven't noticed, there isn't a shortage of humans on this planet, so women should absolutely not feel that they are doing themselves or the human race a disservice by forfeting their chance at motherhood.  Working to make a huge contribution to mankind so that others can have better lives (your own words) is the most worthwhile goal I can imagine.  Why create more people when you'd rather serve already-living people who need help?   

Yes, motherhood is natural, but so are volcanos and earthquakes.  What I'm saying is that it's stupid to have children just because you can.  Not every woman wants children, likes children, can afford children.  And that's OK.  Noone should bring a child into the world before she is emotionally, mentally and financially prepared.  To do otherwise is foolish and will be no good for her or the child.  Children are a responsibility and the decision to become a parent deserves thoughtful consideration.   

Well said my friend, well said. 

  

Although humans are, by class, animals...this does not mean we should think like them :) 

 
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October 11, 2005, 2:38 pm PDT

My 2 cents

The Lady on last nights show reminds me of a t-shirt I saw once. It said : " When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you."   Not that I condone violence but the idea of the message is one she should use and one that he should understand.
 
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October 11, 2005, 2:38 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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You seem unable to comprehend how woman could have come about if not by man's rib-- as though that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for our existance.  sigh...  

I was not made from a man and you were not made from a man.  The Bible is a book of fables written by men thousands of years ago in an attempt to explain the world around them and to control the masses.  And from what I've read in some of these postings so far, it's still working after all these years!   

Thousands of years ago, a bunch of men got sick of being asked, "Where did people come from?  Why is a pig called a pig?  How come childbirth is painful?"  so they decided to MAKE IT UP and write it down.  All those stories were compiled and there you have it: the Bible.  The same men wanted women to be subservient and didn't like homosexuals, so they told everyone that their "creator" felt that way and would punish anyone who deviated from those rules.  See?  That's how every religion and belief system started.  The Bible was (and still is) a very very clever tool for controlling people.  Instill enough fear in people that they will enter some horrific pit of fire and misery if they don't conform to a bunch of arbitrary rules, and they'll do just about anything to avoid going to that imaginary place.  Religious fundamentalists would rather close their minds and convince themselves that a man LIVED IN A WHALE for a few days than think about the possibility of "hell."  Many stories in the Bible are wise and beautiful parables, but they are not true stories meant to be taken literally.  If people would wake up to that fact and start using the potentially reasonable, brilliant minds they have, this world would be a much more fair and loving place.   

What about people, like me, who think that the Bible is a load of BS?
 
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October 11, 2005, 2:41 pm PDT

Thank you!

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You seem unable to comprehend how woman could have come about if not by man's rib-- as though that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for our existance.  sigh...  

I was not made from a man and you were not made from a man.  The Bible is a book of fables written by men thousands of years ago in an attempt to explain the world around them and to control the masses.  And from what I've read in some of these postings so far, it's still working after all these years!   

Thousands of years ago, a bunch of men got sick of being asked, "Where did people come from?  Why is a pig called a pig?  How come childbirth is painful?"  so they decided to MAKE IT UP and write it down.  All those stories were compiled and there you have it: the Bible.  The same men wanted women to be subservient and didn't like homosexuals, so they told everyone that their "creator" felt that way and would punish anyone who deviated from those rules.  See?  That's how every religion and belief system started.  The Bible was (and still is) a very very clever tool for controlling people.  Instill enough fear in people that they will enter some horrific pit of fire and misery if they don't conform to a bunch of arbitrary rules, and they'll do just about anything to avoid going to that imaginary place.  Religious fundamentalists would rather close their minds and convince themselves that a man LIVED IN A WHALE for a few days than think about the possibility of "hell."  Many stories in the Bible are wise and beautiful parables, but they are not true stories meant to be taken literally.  If people would wake up to that fact and start using the potentially reasonable, brilliant minds they have, this world would be a much more fair and loving place.   

Amen!  hehehehe...It is so refreshing to read from a reasonable person.  I get increasingly distressed to hear that so many people in the year 2005 still take what they read in the Bible "literally."  Thank you for your very intelligent response to the wifestyles email.
 
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October 11, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

You hit the nail on the head

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You seem unable to comprehend how woman could have come about if not by man's rib-- as though that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for our existance.  sigh...  

I was not made from a man and you were not made from a man.  The Bible is a book of fables written by men thousands of years ago in an attempt to explain the world around them and to control the masses.  And from what I've read in some of these postings so far, it's still working after all these years!   

Thousands of years ago, a bunch of men got sick of being asked, "Where did people come from?  Why is a pig called a pig?  How come childbirth is painful?"  so they decided to MAKE IT UP and write it down.  All those stories were compiled and there you have it: the Bible.  The same men wanted women to be subservient and didn't like homosexuals, so they told everyone that their "creator" felt that way and would punish anyone who deviated from those rules.  See?  That's how every religion and belief system started.  The Bible was (and still is) a very very clever tool for controlling people.  Instill enough fear in people that they will enter some horrific pit of fire and misery if they don't conform to a bunch of arbitrary rules, and they'll do just about anything to avoid going to that imaginary place.  Religious fundamentalists would rather close their minds and convince themselves that a man LIVED IN A WHALE for a few days than think about the possibility of "hell."  Many stories in the Bible are wise and beautiful parables, but they are not true stories meant to be taken literally.  If people would wake up to that fact and start using the potentially reasonable, brilliant minds they have, this world would be a much more fair and loving place.   

You have just said what I have been thinking for years. Thank you.
 
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October 11, 2005, 2:46 pm PDT

Love or lust?

Was pornography a part of this man's life? Thus creating the image he expects his wife to live up to in regards to dressing not just desirably but more to fulfill some fantasies. .. And he wants her to do this out side for every man in the area to observe, while she washes HIS truck????  

  

Why isn't he washing his own truck? Why isn't he valuing and validating this woman he claims to love. Love doesn't treat a spouse like this...but lust does because it is created in the "it's all about me"  zone of the selfish. And pornography puts one in a surreal world.  

  

When one is caught up in selfishness and lust...no one can live up to their expectations. 

  

I guess he had not yet  learned you get more with sugar than with vinegar.  

 
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October 11, 2005, 2:55 pm PDT

Engineer, Grant

Okay, I have an engineer for a husband! He is overly clean and wipes up crumbs that are not there. He is the epitome of perfectionist as this Grant guy stated that he was. It comes along with the meticulous behavior of the engineer who has excelled in education and the work place. There is the common sense factor involved with these people. I have 4 words, 5 syllables! "Foot in Mouth Syndrome" Although my husband can do things in life the way they ought to be and has an extreme sense of business, mathematics, science, etc.. He does more times than not, have the common sense of a kid. Socially he's isolated himself to higher education and hasn't really practiced good human relations skills.  He has also in the past bitched and complained about irrelevant "don't sweat the small stuff" things that have annoyed me to all get out! Let me tell you he gets on a roll for up to a month of what ends up seeming like constant badgering and acting ungrateful not to mention unsatisfied. It has even escalated to the point that I removed myself from the situation for a day or two because I was not going to allow someone else to make my hard efforts towards our family appear to be lesser than his own and also to escape the corner I felt backed into. Whether it was intentional or not a person like myself can and does feel cornered and will drained. I will tell you what though... Grant makes my husband seem like a saint and he is definitely not. I feel very bad for that woman. Luckily she still has the gleam of life left in her eyes. My husband is an extremely hard worker and is also still in school. Even though I half jokingly tell him I think he may have O.C.D. he is potentially very mellow about things at times. The negative daily griping part he goes through is an every 4 or 5 month thing and is lasting only a day to a month. He has his own way of doing things as do I and it has in the past been a conflict but not so much any longer. He at least recognizes that my job is hard as a parent and wife. We just had a baby 3 months ago, Valerie and have a 7 year old son Cyrus and I am dead tired and totally sleep deprived. I look forward to passing her off to my husband when he gets home or for more sleep on the weekends now. He gladly takes her and knows that a baby is demanding of time and it's at times very hard to get one thing done let alone have it done perfectly. Thank God for that!  I'll tell you something else... He doesn't come home from the day or on weekends and sit on his ass or expect me to be a Stepford wife. He accomplishes many tasks at home (including dishes). Oh he mows the lawn by the way and if I did I wouldn't do it in those Daisy Dukes by George! My only job to do he says should be to take optimal care of the baby. Well for me in my own sort of perfection it's unacceptable to just take care of the kids. It is very hard to get stuff done but if I did nothing I would feel inadequate as a wife, mother, and person. Although he is a perfectionist he is good, understanding and an extremely hard worker. He is able to humble himself and take a step back and take a look at the inside. I think acceptant that we are very different people from one and other is helping and enhancing as well. Like anything life is a struggle to get through at times. I am certainly far from perfect either and I am sure at times I can annoy him with my so called character flaws as he can be to me. As long as I don't feel like these things are directed at me I am fine with he and his quirky behavior. It keeps me entertained too. He and I are both eccentric in our own rights. I tend to walk off of the beaten path, where he doesn't. so he'll keep me on the straight and narrow a bit and I'll drag him on those windy roads for some excitement. I think that the balance of he keeping me on it and I helping him explore the backwoods works well for us. I am very proud of our accomplishments together and our willingness to compromise for one and other as is he although I never speak for anyone. I like to see the light at the end of the tunnel and it gleams from where I stand. I feel lucky to have him and he does me. Compromise for each other and love each other with the greatest of respect. Life and love is most definitely not a perfect place but it can be a rather nice one if you each work hard to make it that way. I like my home team and the support system within the walls here. I hope that Grant stops his critical behavior before it's too late and he looses his family forever. 

Lisa Lang 

 
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October 11, 2005, 3:05 pm PDT

Role of Wife defined by History

I respect that many members on this board have a religious bent on how to define one's role as a wife, however, please do not assume that is everyone's perspective. 

  

The role of wife has evolved drastically in the last two hundred years. And it has nothing to do with religion. We now live in nuclear families (i.e. father, mother and children). About 3 generation ago, that was not the case. The nuclear family is a post World War II creation - suburbs created to support the baby boom in the 1940's. Just prior to that most children grew up in extended families with grandparents etc present and helping.  

  

It was never left up to one woman to run the entire household. Usually several members of the family were involved in this and in childcare. They all lived together and helped each other. It was unaffordable for each couple to have their own home, usually the son's wife came to live with the family. 

  

The concept of working "outside the home" is a post industrial revolution idea. Before factories existed in the 1800's, most people (men and women) worked from their home - either in farming or producing goods within the home to use or sell. Few people went "out" to work.  Women did their equal share to make everything that was used in the home from scratch. No minivans pulling into malls with hubby's credit card. It was a harsh life. 

  

Both men and women worked just as hard to keep the household running. After manufacturing began in the 1800's, the less fortunate came into the cities looking for factory work . The division of "stay-at-home" and "going-out-to-work" began. The more affluent middle class was born and prided itself on having wives who did not work as they could afford to stay at home -carving out a domestic role. The poor did not have this luxury. That's what most of Charles Dickens' books are about.  

  

Now we have a religious explanation stating that women are here to serve men in a domestic capacity(!) Survival was what mattered before with a high infant mortality rate.  

  

Now after being pushed "get your laundry whiter than white" nonsense since the 1950's - the middle class definition of "stay-at-home-mom" has become the religious norm to many. The "spic n' span" ideal that your home cannot be clean enough are advertising creations meant to sell products and make women feel insecure about their domestic abilities. What do you think homes were like before all the sprays and wipes were invented?  

  

Admit that it is cultural, not religious and not the norm for everyone else out there. The stresses of living in a nuclear family and the demands placed on women (no one to help her) and the expectations of some husbands has led to our current discussion now on Dr. Phil. This was not the case before and is a recent situation in history.  

  

Stay-at-home-mom is a relatively new idea (historically speaking) just as women seeking the right to higher education and opportunities are as well.  

  

  

  

  

  

 
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