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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 1:53 am PDT

So true

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Hello 

I am a not just a wife, I am an active duty military wife along with being a mother.  I don't believe that there is ever going to be the "perfect" wife, there are always going to be inperfections.  But if a husband and wife love each other, can work together and be a team together they can conquer the world. 

Ma’am, 

 

  

 

I am also a wife and an active duty military member.  My husband has been active duty in the German Air Force for 6 years, until just recently.  I have to say it seems a little more difficult for those of us who are married military.  I am by no means saying any other marriage is easy… heck who would I know!  But anyone with a demanding schedule can say that it is difficult to keep a marriage a happy one.  My husband and I are both on call 24 hours a day; we were both in college part-time taking anywhere between 2 and 4 courses a quarter until just recently when I graduated.  It does take a team to make a relationship with this many obligations to work, as I am sure most of you know.  We have to spilt housework and other obligations.  It is not always possible that I get home in time to make dinner.  We like to have dinner together at the table, just the two of us each night between 6 and 6:30.  If he gets home at 5 and I am not here yet and he wants to eat at 6 he has to step up and make something.  Generally that something comes from a box!  But he doesn’t even hesitate to get out the box and start reading the directions.  If all else fails he goes to a local take-out.  Either way he takes care of it for me.   

I honestly believe that a good marriage is only about 15% true love.  The rest is comprised of communication, empathy, understanding, and a true sense of respect and caring.  Each day I want to do everything I can to make my husband the happiest man in the world.  Why, because I am submissive and forget about what I want?  Absolutely not.  It makes me happy to see him happy and I know that each day he does everything that he can to make life better for me.  We both sacrifice so much to get our college degrees finished so that we can make a life that is good for our future children and us.   

We are still in our early days of marriage and learn something new each day to make our marriage successful.  In the end, I believe what will make our marriage last is open communication and mutual respect.  I love to make the house extra clean and make his favorite dinner when I have a few days off work.  Because I love to see him come home and smile and say thank you.  I like to get a little bit of my personal obligations done during the week when he is out so that we can have a few extra moments together on the weekend without worrying about house cleaning and shopping.  He does the same thing when he is at home for a few days.  It is the best feeling to come home after a long day at work and see that my husband put in a little effort that day and did something so small as mop all the floors.  Not because the cleaning is important, but because he thought about something that would take little effort on his part and would make the day easier for me.  Because he respects me enough to see what I do everyday.  I don’t expect him to spend his entire day off cooking and cleaning and taking care of lawn because I know he works hard every day too.  So his effort goes a long way.  All relationships are give and take.  I look at some couples and think that man would never treat his best guy friend like that.  So why would he treat his wife, his princess, like that.  And ladies we are the same.  We don’t nag our girlfriends!  Why treat our own prince that way.  

I would also like to agree with what another wife posted.  We can complain about the way our husbands, children, parents, or even strangers treat us.  But we are adults with free will.  We decide how we are treated.  We decide what is too much and what we will put up with.  It is very difficult to stand up and say that I will not take this any more.  However, if you are unhappy, only you can change that.   I would never say that divorce is the answer.  But sometimes if you show a little backbone and say that you care enough about yourself and you respect yourself, then you demand it from others.  If you don’t love yourself, how can you ask anyone else to do so?  My husband has told me on many occasions that part of the reason he fell in love with me is because I have my own mind and I use it.  He knows that he cannot and will never be able to tell me how to live and expect me to do it.  I make decisions that are best for both of us.  We make decisions together.  He is not the ruler of our home and neither am I.
 

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October 10, 2005, 2:22 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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You have one thing WAY wrong.  The order is 1) God, 2) CHILDREN 3) Spouse, 4) Others.  If I had to choose to save my husband or my son, my son would win everytime. 
 You missed the point.  I am not talking about a life or death situation.   Naturally, I would choose saving my child over my husband, and he would do the same.  I am talking about spouses making time for each other that is sacred time.   Whether it is after the children are asleep or while they are at school.  Whatever your schedule permits.  I am talking about honoring each other and presenting a united front when it comes to discipline and not letting the child/ren play one parent against the other to get  what they want because one parent is more lenient or whathaveyou.  I am talking about teaching our children by example how to respect and love and nurture.  And I am speaking from experience.  I have spent the first five years of my marriage putting everything, including our children, before my husband.  And he checked out mentally and emotionally.  This past year has been a rather rocky one that almost spelled the end of our marriage.   Maybe I'm not explaining myself as best that I should.   And I hope that someone can make sense of my middle of the night rambling.
 
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October 10, 2005, 3:12 am PDT

Adam's rib symbolic of equality

I've noticed that many of the messages refer to Adam and Eve. Whether you take the story literally or figuratively, we are to understand that Adam and Eve are equal. Eve was not taken from Adam's foot implying that she should follow. Nor was she taken from his head, implying that she should always lead. Rather she was taken from his rib symbolic of equality. we are to understand that the two are to walk the path side by side.
 
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October 10, 2005, 4:36 am PDT

I Have It All

I have it all! Some may not agree but I beleive it is in the eye of the beholder... FIRST I have the greatest husband in the world...he accepts me for exactly who I am even on the days when I don't get a shower and am sporting my Eeyore pajama pants (which he is always quick to tease me about how sexy they are)...he knows I can't walk around the house cleaning and cooking and taking care of three kids in a Teddy...how unreal is that...he walks around in sweats or old ripped up shorts and he is still sexy to me...I know he feels the same way about me...my cooking isn't always superb but he eats every day (three meals) and never complains...I keep the house neat and orderly...he is a great help in this respect...he quite often does the laundry (wash,dry and fold) and vaccums...he is great with the kids and tends to them from the moment he gets home (he spends a hectic day as a mortage banker and still has time for the kids so don't ever let a man use the excuse that he is just too tired!)...SECOND I have three wonderful children...Steven 8, Kirstin 3, and Justin 9 months...what mom could ask for more!...THIRD I have a full time job...YES! YOU CAN DO IT ALL!...that woman who says you cannot SHOULD NOT propose to speak on behalf of everyone...I CAN and LOVE to do it all... 

  

oh and did I mention that dinner is on the table everynight when my husband gets home and NO he doesn't expect it...it is just a nice thing I like to do for him...as a matter of fact my husband doesn't expect anything from me except that I am me and we will work the rest out from there... 

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:44 am PDT

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I'm not going to sit here and argue with everyone because everyone has different ideas about roles within a family.  What is best for one, is not necessarily best for another so I think it is a moot point to be going back and forth.  As for poster Bill....has anyone ever heard of a grief poster?  That is someone who doesn't really feel the way they posted, but writes an explosive post just to get people going.  That's how I feel about him.   

  

Ok, so, how have I seen the show already, you ask?  We are a military family stationed overseas and we get the current day's show at 8:30 in the morning here and we are 6 hours ahead of EST.  If Dr. Phil comes on at 3 pm on the East Coast, we get it over 12 hours before you do.   

  

What I saw today on the show affected me deeply.  I don't cry very often when watching, but I did today.  This woman was so beaten down, her eyes were empty.  She is married to a man with a critical spirit who doesn't think anything she does is good enough.  He expects her to clean the house while dressed in a french maid outfit or wash his car in a bikini.  I won't go into all the details of the show since you haven't seen it yet, but I was so saddened by how this man treated the woman he pledged to love his whole life.  Her spirit is broken and whether or not you believe that a woman should be at home or be in the work force, I don't think anyone can excuse the emotional abuse of this man.  I truly don't think any of it sunk in, either. 

  

Dr. Phil also has a woman on there who believes that all women were put on this earth to serve men.  (There you go Bill, find her sister for yourself!)  I think that is all fine and dandy if she feels that way but I think it is wrong of her to try to force her philosophy on everyone else.  The biggest problem I had with her was that she seemed to address the red haired woman in such a way that I felt she was also berating her for not being "good enough".   

  

I truly feel that Dr. Phil should have had a husband on there who isn't like the guy on the show.  Hearing it from a man that loves, cherishes and respects his wife and what she does could have put a whole different perspective on the entire show.   

  

I can say all this because I am a truly blessed woman.  I am a stay at home mom and have been for many years.  No, the house isn't spotless and I've put on a few pounds since our wedding day, but I have a husband who knows what true love is.  This man, no matter how I feel, or look,  will put his arms around me and say, "You are beautiful today.  You are an awesome mom.  You are an awesome wife and no one could ever take care of me better than you."   You want to talk about feeling validated and appreciated?  No, he's not the best at helping with the housework, but he doesn't moan and complain if it isn't done all the time either.   

  

I really want to see a follow up to this show and see if this couple can come out of this.  My heart broke for her when I looked into her eyes.  She is a broken person. 

 

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October 10, 2005, 6:27 am PDT

Kelly - He's lucky to have you

Who is he to decide what qualifies someone as a 'good' wife? He's got issues with inferiority so he makes her feel inadequate to compensate. She can do better. He's a dork. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 6:34 am PDT

I understand

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I am so tired of non understanding husbands, my own included. He is a wonderful man but he do not get how much work it is for a SAHM. I am basically on call 12-13 hours a day. 7 days a week 365 days a year. If god forbid I am sick I have to get over it and still do everything that has to be done. Taking care of our child, cleaning the house, make sure the laundry is done. It is a ongoing job and you never get done. My husbands favorite line  to me when I tell him  that it is too much sometimes is "Ohh just sit down and relax for a while" All you SAHM knows how impossible that is with a 2 year old running all over the place.  I have tried to tell him what it's like but he don't have a clue.   The thing that pissing me off is that he does not see what needs to be done.  Sometimes I feel like a maid instead of a wife. If I am doing everything alone now why not be alone. this is just frustrating to me that I have to nag him to do things. 

  

Arggggggggghhhh 

I understand what you are saying. I have been married for 10 years and have 3 children all 3 years apart. My youngest is now 6 and will start school full time next year. 

  

I went through the same struggle you are talking about. After about 6 years I finally realized that my husband didn't see the messes because he didn't care. Expecially when they were babies. He didn't mind having to step over the little ones toys (I was the one worried about that). He didn't care if the dishes were on the counter or in the sink (again me worrying). He didn't care if he had to get his laundry out of a basket every now and then ot even stare at a pile of laundry I was choosing to ignore until tomorrow. 

  

After learning more about his family and how he was raised, I used that information to think about his concerns (or lack of) for the household. I realized that he didn't value a spotless house the same way I did. What he valued more was having time with me to laugh at a tv show or talk about something I heard on the radio, or even to sit quietly with me while I read a book. He valued me, not a spotless house. I fugured if he valued me over the house so should I. 

  

Merely a suggestion, ask him what his standards for the house are. You may be setting your standards higher than they need to be and driving yourself nuts. I know I did. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 6:43 am PDT

Are you clueless?

I have been watching the show and can just say Grant is a clueless wonder!!  I was dumbfounded when I heard him talk....what a hard head...he just doesn't get it!!  I am married and have 5 children, and if my husband dared grade meals, he would be cooking for himself a lot.  If he complained about the laundry, he would be doing his own and the childrens's.  If the house is messy because the day has been crazy, he jumps in to help me, he makes dinner if I am out running kids and still thinks I am wonderful!!  I am not sure there is any hope for Grant....any man who critisizes not only his wife, but his mother-in-law on national tv, isn't very smart--electrical engineer or not!!
 
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October 10, 2005, 6:49 am PDT

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Are you going to tell me that God himself told someone that woman was woman?   

It's language, that's all.    

Excuse my impertinence but I am a child of God, but I believe in evolution, not what some men wrote down trying to control the population.  I have studied history, earth and human.  I strongly believe that we are missing parts of the Bible, parts the church didn't want us to see.  I also can't agree with the church on issues that hurt other human beings.  I was lost to God at a desperate time in my life, but I found my way back and I know that too many people are wasting time fearing God when he is only love. 

I was modeled after mother god, as was every other woman. 

I am glad that you have found your way back to GOD and I hope you still continue to believe in him.  I know that everyone has an opinion on where they came from.  But I also know and I like you have studied scince, history and I have watched shows about evolution, and I haven't found any truth to it what so ever.  I know and understand that the Bible was written by man, but I believe it is truly God's word.  I also believe that GOD created everyone and everthing including the earth, moon, stars and everything.  As I said I am in no way trying to argue with you nor anyone else for that matter, but I will continue to defend my religion, my beliefs and GOD'S word.  I am also not trying to offend anyone on what I belive, but as I said I am a Christian and I will stay that way, and I will not let people that believe in evolution or that doesn't even believe in GOD'S word, or that he dosen't exist change that. 
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:08 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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  I think that the mind set that we are seeing here from men is the last effects of the womens rights act.  I am 27 and I know that my husbands mother waited on her husbands and sons like a maid.  She only had 4 boys.  Even to this day when we go visit my husbands family, his mom makes all the meals, does all the cleaning and when everyone is done eating - they plop down in front of the TV while she does all the dishes and all with her make-up done and her high heels on.   The husbands wives however are all expected to help with the cleaning and the cooking.  I refuse to bend on this one, so I get all the dirty looks and whispering because I clean my own plate, then go plop down in front of the TV with the guys.  This generation of men are grown up and expecting the same things.  Hopefully, we can raise our children to all be on a level playing field and finally break free from the past.  I am willing to bet that any man that has these expectations had a mother like this one. 

  

Ya, a stay at home wife has responsiblities to raise her kids in a clean house.  I don't mean immaculate for the husband - I mean clean of bacteria, any choking hazard, mold and so on.  A CLEAN HOUSE.  However, a wife should not ever have to run her house according to her husbands expectations.  My husband had to really let go of the roles he learning growing up.  He now realizes that his way isn't always the only way, and to fight with me and put me down over my hair not being done and the sink not shining is knit picking and hurtful to me.   

I am 28 years old and I come from the same generation as you. But I DO NOT share your veiws. Yes I believe in respect from the opposite sex and Yes I believe there is more to a marriage than a clean house. But I do think it is our responsibility as a Wife and Mother to do the housework and Cook for our husbands I also believe It Is ME the Mother who should care for my chid, No one else. It is MY responsibility to raise and teach MY principles and values not the babysitter so I can run around or work Just to feel independent. That is my Husbands Job to work and provide Just as the Bible says. And no I have nothing against working mothers if THEY ABSOLUTLY HAVE TO That means if it is a matter of survival. God know I am not wealthy and we could use exta income but for now Raising my children and nurturing them the best I know how is WAY more important to their futures than the latest toys and Name brand clothing. I don't believe people really know how to be a family any more because they have gotten away from the basic way of life. If you don't understand that then I sugest you read your bible. and to end this discussion I must tell you that you were wrong not to help your mother in law and sisters in the clean up, whether you agree with it or not. You were an embarassment to your husband. No one seen you as an womens right activest. Instead they seen you as lazy and someone who thought she was better than they were. Next time help out a little its not going to kill you to try and get along with others who see things differantly than yourself. Serena WV
 
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