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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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December 28, 2005, 11:35 am PST

Your bible quotes are off

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I saw the clip of this show and I'm sure its going to upset me to watch. 

Women, just because men treated us on the whole like slaves for centuries does not mean it is what God intended. 

IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man.  It doesn't make sense to me though, I know I wasn't made from man and that empowers me to realize I'm here to make up my own mind about how to let people (men) treat me.    

BTW, my husband is a loving caring individual, and an excellent father.  He does as much of the house cleaning and he listens to me.    

The problem is not in "believing what [you] read", but in actually reading it ALL in stead of just select portions.    The rib has nothing to do with why women are supposed to follow men  (some scholars feel "side" is a more accurate translation than "rib")    it is because eve listened to Satan and not Adam.   At any rate, Christ is supposed to have forgiven ALL our sins.      

There will always be some people who use religion to support their own views.  That is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of being human.     It was not so long ago when many prominent church leaders declared that the Bible justified slavery.   All but a fringe few now think that view was entirely incorrect and that it came from a MISREADING of the Bible.      Is that the fault of the Bible?  Of course not, it is the fault of fallible human beings. 

You are free to believe as you wish.   However, if you are going to criticize the Bible, then please be sure to give it some real study.     

 
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December 28, 2005, 11:36 am PST

HOLY OPINIONS!!!!!

First of all - to all of you women out there who are striving to be the "Perfect Wife"... stop.  STOP RIGHT NOW.  Grab a cup of coffee (grab one for your husband too) and go talk to him.  Ask him, "Honey, how do you see my role as your wife?  Am I doing a good job?"  Talk to him from there about what his needs are and work to fulfill those needs. 

If my husband came home and the house was spotless, dinner was on the table, I was dressed up with lipstick and perfume on - my husband would think I had totalled the car or that I had some equally heinous news for him....  Is it because I'm a BAD wife?  No.  It's because when my husband married me - he KNEW that I was not that type of PERSON.  I am not a NEAT and ORGANIZED person... I strive to be - but I'm not.  I am not a good cook - I strive to be - but if at least one thing on the table isn't burnt or under cooked... I didn't make it!!!!  I was a single mom before I met my husband.  I spent 6 long years of BEING EVERYTHING.  I was mom, I was dad, I was coach, I was teacher, I was advocate, I was maid, laundress and psychologist, I was doctor, nurse, friend, I was judge, jury and bailiff.  I WAS EVERYTHING.  Anyone walking into my house at any given point in time would have thought I was a miserable failure...  but then if you looked at my son, you would see a clean, happy, well adjusted kid who knew that playing with him, was more important to his mom than whether or not the family room was tidy.

As a single mom, my schedule simply didn't allow for us to have a clean home.  My son plays sports... baseball, soccer and basketball.  I worked until 5 which got me home at 5:30 - most of the time games and practices started at 6.  My son is dyslexic - homework with him was never a 10 minute venture... more like 2 1/2 - 3 hours (so yes, after practice we drove through a drive through and took it home to eat while studying - some will call this lazy - I call it good time management).  When finally putting him to bed at 9:30/10:00 - I did a quick couple of loads of laundry, took my shower and prepared my work day for the next day so that I could start it again  at 5:00 AM. 

To those of you who say that you can't do it all... I agree.  You cannot work and be the kind of wife and mother that you would be if you were a SAHM.  HOWEVER, I encourage every wife and mother out there to examine your personality.  Do you have the kind of personality that would allow you to successfully and happily be a SAHM?  I DON'T!!!!  I am an executive recruiter.  I spend my entire work day talking to people - helping people make good career decisions.  I feel needed, wanted and successfull.  On the other hand - when I DID try to be a SAHM a few years ago - I learned that it is good for me to not spend so much time with my son and all the kids in the neighborhood - I am not that patient!!!!  I believe that my son is a more gregarious kid, he is a better problem solver and a better judge of character for all of the years that he spent at day care.  Again, it is probably not right for all kids, but for mine it was a good choice.  I now have a position that allows me flexibility in schedule.  I put my son on the bus in the morning, go to work at 9AM, come home at 4PM, get him off the bus - do his homework with him, then put in a few more houre of work from home.  Unfortunately, not many people have that as an option.  Fortunately, my husband realizes that just because I am working from home doesn't mean that I am "working in the home".  So - I may have been here since 4, but no, I  did not have have a chance to do laundry or cook dinner. 

I've written my story to basically say this.... Ladies, some of us are blessed to be SAHM's, some of us are blessed to work outside of the home, some of us have been blessed with children, some of us have not, some of us have been blessed with husbands, some have been blessed by not being married... no matter what is going on in your life - do not judge what is best for someone else.  It is possible to be a GOOD WIFE, and not keep a clean home and cook gourmet meals, It is a possible to be a GOOD WIFE and not wear tight clingly clothes for your husband.  It is possible to work outside of the home and still be a GOOD mother to your kids, yes it's even possible to be a GREAT WIFE AND MOTHER and not be what society tells us we should be.  The key is to make sure that you and your husband are on the same page. 

Good luck.... and God Bless!!!
 
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December 28, 2005, 11:54 am PST

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December 28, 2005, 12:02 pm PST

Wifestyles vs. Individualstyles

Hello, all. I'm a young (only 21) married mother of two (ages 2 years and 4 months). This show hit me hard, both during it's original airing and again today. My husband and I have been married 3 short years and half of that time, I have been pregnant. When we first got together, I felt as though he thought I was perfect, just how I was. I couldn't cook to save my life, and knew very little about cleaning. My parents had spoiled me, quite a bit, but I thought that he would gently and kindly teach me how to care for us and our children, when we had them. We agreed early on that I should stay home from work, because that way I could concentrate on going to school and taking care of our home. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. 

  

The day I graduated, I moved into his apartment from my parents's home. Two weeks later, I quit my job. The following October we were married, and November of the next year brought our first child to us. But between all that, I somehow found myself trapped by a controlling man who had such high expectations of me, that I immediately felt inadequate to handle anything. I went from being "perfect" in his eyes, to not being nearly good enough, but at my own fault somehow. Gone was the man who had promised to teach me how to quickly and effectively clean our home and cook good meals. By the time our daughter was born, one year and one month after we were wed, he had broken my spirit. I became a robot, with only one goal. To do everything he wanted me to do, with no worry about bettering myself for myself. Only for him did I work harder. 

  

When our daughter was one, I found out that I was pregnant again. Our lives had sunk into a marriage that didn't even feel like a marriage. He worked, I cleaned and cooked and cared for our daughter, but never was it good enough. Never was the house clean enough or the meals hot enough, and even our daughter wasn't good enough, with him demanding that I teach her how to speak more clearly and to speak in sentences before she was 18 months old. It didn't matter to him that she has always been right on track, when it comes to all her development. He didn't want a normal child, he wanted an exceptional one. A genius. What he didn't see was that her comprehension was through the roof, she was running and jumping before most kids walk, and she had (and still has) a smile that could light a blackened room. 

  

What I don't understand is why I let myself be stripped of my identity. I was frightened by Diane's words that she is "the wife her husband wants her to be." What happened to being the woman you want to be? Aren't we told, from the day we are born, to be ourselves, and not let others dictate who or what we are? I'm glad her family and household runs so smoothly, but at what cost? How do you maintain your own identity, when everything you do centers around the wishes and desires of another person? 

  

You can't. I lost my own identity that way and I will never have it back. Now, I don't want to be in my marriage anymore, because for three years, I've been told that nothing I do is good enough. And the more I'm told I'm not good enough, the less I do to prove I am. What's the point? Why bother working my butt off, only to be told "You forgot to do this, you know." The only problem now is how to proceed without losing everything. I've got no job, I'm still working on an education, and I have no job experience to fall back on because the place that I was working when I left my parents's house has since closed.  

  

You have to do what you have to do, but for the love of God, do it for youself. Don't let a man train you into being what he wants, especially when it contradicts what you are or what you want. I'll now have to raise my two children as a single mother, which means I'll have to work away from them, all because I tried to let a man put me into a mold that I didn't fit. 

  

If anyone has any help for me, advice on what steps to take now, please please please email me. Should I wait until after we do our taxes for the year? Leave as soon as possible? What should I take? I already know where I'm going- my parents own a house that until recently they rented out to people, but is now empty. Other then that, I'm flying by the seat of my pants on this one and could use some direction. 

  

mindless_leader@hotmail.com 

  

Maria 

 
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December 28, 2005, 12:35 pm PST

12/28 Wifestyles

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Hello, all. I'm a young (only 21) married mother of two (ages 2 years and 4 months). This show hit me hard, both during it's original airing and again today. My husband and I have been married 3 short years and half of that time, I have been pregnant. When we first got together, I felt as though he thought I was perfect, just how I was. I couldn't cook to save my life, and knew very little about cleaning. My parents had spoiled me, quite a bit, but I thought that he would gently and kindly teach me how to care for us and our children, when we had them. We agreed early on that I should stay home from work, because that way I could concentrate on going to school and taking care of our home. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. 

  

The day I graduated, I moved into his apartment from my parents's home. Two weeks later, I quit my job. The following October we were married, and November of the next year brought our first child to us. But between all that, I somehow found myself trapped by a controlling man who had such high expectations of me, that I immediately felt inadequate to handle anything. I went from being "perfect" in his eyes, to not being nearly good enough, but at my own fault somehow. Gone was the man who had promised to teach me how to quickly and effectively clean our home and cook good meals. By the time our daughter was born, one year and one month after we were wed, he had broken my spirit. I became a robot, with only one goal. To do everything he wanted me to do, with no worry about bettering myself for myself. Only for him did I work harder. 

  

When our daughter was one, I found out that I was pregnant again. Our lives had sunk into a marriage that didn't even feel like a marriage. He worked, I cleaned and cooked and cared for our daughter, but never was it good enough. Never was the house clean enough or the meals hot enough, and even our daughter wasn't good enough, with him demanding that I teach her how to speak more clearly and to speak in sentences before she was 18 months old. It didn't matter to him that she has always been right on track, when it comes to all her development. He didn't want a normal child, he wanted an exceptional one. A genius. What he didn't see was that her comprehension was through the roof, she was running and jumping before most kids walk, and she had (and still has) a smile that could light a blackened room. 

  

What I don't understand is why I let myself be stripped of my identity. I was frightened by Diane's words that she is "the wife her husband wants her to be." What happened to being the woman you want to be? Aren't we told, from the day we are born, to be ourselves, and not let others dictate who or what we are? I'm glad her family and household runs so smoothly, but at what cost? How do you maintain your own identity, when everything you do centers around the wishes and desires of another person? 

  

You can't. I lost my own identity that way and I will never have it back. Now, I don't want to be in my marriage anymore, because for three years, I've been told that nothing I do is good enough. And the more I'm told I'm not good enough, the less I do to prove I am. What's the point? Why bother working my butt off, only to be told "You forgot to do this, you know." The only problem now is how to proceed without losing everything. I've got no job, I'm still working on an education, and I have no job experience to fall back on because the place that I was working when I left my parents's house has since closed.  

  

You have to do what you have to do, but for the love of God, do it for youself. Don't let a man train you into being what he wants, especially when it contradicts what you are or what you want. I'll now have to raise my two children as a single mother, which means I'll have to work away from them, all because I tried to let a man put me into a mold that I didn't fit. 

  

If anyone has any help for me, advice on what steps to take now, please please please email me. Should I wait until after we do our taxes for the year? Leave as soon as possible? What should I take? I already know where I'm going- my parents own a house that until recently they rented out to people, but is now empty. Other then that, I'm flying by the seat of my pants on this one and could use some direction. 

  

mindless_leader@hotmail.com 

  

Maria 

 Maria - I emailed you - so check your email when you get a chance.
Sonja
 
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December 28, 2005, 12:35 pm PST

12/28 Wifestyles

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Hello, all. I'm a young (only 21) married mother of two (ages 2 years and 4 months). This show hit me hard, both during it's original airing and again today. My husband and I have been married 3 short years and half of that time, I have been pregnant. When we first got together, I felt as though he thought I was perfect, just how I was. I couldn't cook to save my life, and knew very little about cleaning. My parents had spoiled me, quite a bit, but I thought that he would gently and kindly teach me how to care for us and our children, when we had them. We agreed early on that I should stay home from work, because that way I could concentrate on going to school and taking care of our home. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. 

  

The day I graduated, I moved into his apartment from my parents's home. Two weeks later, I quit my job. The following October we were married, and November of the next year brought our first child to us. But between all that, I somehow found myself trapped by a controlling man who had such high expectations of me, that I immediately felt inadequate to handle anything. I went from being "perfect" in his eyes, to not being nearly good enough, but at my own fault somehow. Gone was the man who had promised to teach me how to quickly and effectively clean our home and cook good meals. By the time our daughter was born, one year and one month after we were wed, he had broken my spirit. I became a robot, with only one goal. To do everything he wanted me to do, with no worry about bettering myself for myself. Only for him did I work harder. 

  

When our daughter was one, I found out that I was pregnant again. Our lives had sunk into a marriage that didn't even feel like a marriage. He worked, I cleaned and cooked and cared for our daughter, but never was it good enough. Never was the house clean enough or the meals hot enough, and even our daughter wasn't good enough, with him demanding that I teach her how to speak more clearly and to speak in sentences before she was 18 months old. It didn't matter to him that she has always been right on track, when it comes to all her development. He didn't want a normal child, he wanted an exceptional one. A genius. What he didn't see was that her comprehension was through the roof, she was running and jumping before most kids walk, and she had (and still has) a smile that could light a blackened room. 

  

What I don't understand is why I let myself be stripped of my identity. I was frightened by Diane's words that she is "the wife her husband wants her to be." What happened to being the woman you want to be? Aren't we told, from the day we are born, to be ourselves, and not let others dictate who or what we are? I'm glad her family and household runs so smoothly, but at what cost? How do you maintain your own identity, when everything you do centers around the wishes and desires of another person? 

  

You can't. I lost my own identity that way and I will never have it back. Now, I don't want to be in my marriage anymore, because for three years, I've been told that nothing I do is good enough. And the more I'm told I'm not good enough, the less I do to prove I am. What's the point? Why bother working my butt off, only to be told "You forgot to do this, you know." The only problem now is how to proceed without losing everything. I've got no job, I'm still working on an education, and I have no job experience to fall back on because the place that I was working when I left my parents's house has since closed.  

  

You have to do what you have to do, but for the love of God, do it for youself. Don't let a man train you into being what he wants, especially when it contradicts what you are or what you want. I'll now have to raise my two children as a single mother, which means I'll have to work away from them, all because I tried to let a man put me into a mold that I didn't fit. 

  

If anyone has any help for me, advice on what steps to take now, please please please email me. Should I wait until after we do our taxes for the year? Leave as soon as possible? What should I take? I already know where I'm going- my parents own a house that until recently they rented out to people, but is now empty. Other then that, I'm flying by the seat of my pants on this one and could use some direction. 

  

mindless_leader@hotmail.com 

  

Maria 

Since you say for the love of God, I am going to assume you do believe in God.  Not sure what you believe, but you did hit the nail on the head with that statement.  It is for the love of God.  That is how it is done.  I would just like to start off by saying that I am not excusing the actions or behavior of you husband.  I am simply attempting to help you.  If one is in Christ, that is their identity.  And part of that identity is the sacrificing of self to serve Him and others.  For a long time, I didn't understand that.  If you are serving and glorifying God in everything you do then you are doing good enough.  It really isn't about pleasing your husband so much as it is pleasing God and doing what He has called you to do.  If you are married, then He has called you to be a wife and if you have children, He has called you to be a mother.  If you think  of fulfilling these roles for Him and not so much for your husband, it tends to put a whole new perspective on the situation.  I seek God and His purposes, not my husbands.  In so doing, I please my husband.  Not all the time, we certainly have our moments of discontent, but I take joy in the fact that God is perfecting me, which proves I am His child.  Romans 8:28 says, And we know that all things work for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His pupose.  Note here, it is His purpose not ours and it is for our good.  That means that no matter what happens in my life, I can rest in the fact God has a purpose and it is good for me, even if at the time it does not seem like it.  I hope this helps. 

  

Trish 

 
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December 28, 2005, 12:39 pm PST

Get Real Grant!

OK, so Grant wants the perfect wife.  Wake up buddy!  No one is good enough, now or ever if you do not feel good about yourself.  I think Grant's biggest problem is himself and poor Kelly gets the brunt of his low self-esteem.  Kelly, you need to stand up for yourself and validate yourself to your husband.  You are a wonderful woman and mother and you deserve to feel that from Grant.  When I first got married, my husband liked to try and tell me how to do things better.  Here's what happened, anything I could not do up to his level became his job.  I did not do his laundry as good as his mom did it, so he did his own laundry (and he still does).  I do believe that as wives we have an obligation to love our husbands and do our part in the house to the best of our ability, but it is not up to our husbands to tell us how to better do our job.  I accept suggestions communicated with love and caring.  I also am more likely to modify the way I do something if my husband approaches me and  suggests how we as a team could work to make something better. 
 
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December 28, 2005, 12:42 pm PST

Ouch !!!

OK.  Seeing myself through Grant's behavior wasn't fun or pretty.  But looking in a mirror and admitting the truth isn't supposed to be.  I wish I wasn't so super-critical of my wife all of the time, but wishin just doesn't change ANYTHING.  Sometimes, I just have to make myself shut-up in order to stop with the verbal poison.  At the heart of the problem is my total lack of respect for her.  And as I have read in so many other posts, mutual respect is the cornerstone of any relationship.  But, the last time I checked, I didn't come with a "respect switch" that could be turned on or off.  As with most couples, there is always plenty of blame to go around when two people can't seem to partner with one another.  Pointing fingers is a waste of time. So, just how DO you go about learning to respect someone who constantly reminds you that "what you wanted to get, isn't what you got"?  Grant, my advice to you is to make your peace with the disillusionment, and try to see your wife for who she is, and not through the filter of who she isn't.  And by the way, I'm sure that you and I fall short of being the perfect husband for our wives.  Now, if I could just take my own advice ..... 

  

 
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December 28, 2005, 12:58 pm PST

Dr Phil Show.

Doctor Phil. I think some housewife sure either go to work or just stay at home. That what I think but this Style Wife is unreal and out of control. It has to be stop. Well I had better close now. Sincerley---Your. Russell Vlaanderen.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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December 28, 2005, 12:59 pm PST

Way to go Dr Phil!!!

Dear Dr. Phil, 

I love your show and watch it every day.  I have never written or responded to any of your show topics before but I had to send you a BIG way to go!!  I loved what you said about what you do for Robin and what you do as a husband if every husband felt half that way we would not have the divorce rate we do today.  My husband is good he helps with the kids and housework . I am a stay at home mom and have a small business from home.  I do put on make up everyday and get cleaned up but by no way do I do that for him I do that for ME.  I love my husband but wish he felt as passionate about my happiness and our partnership as you expressed.  I sat in amazment  from your words they were inspiring and I and wanted to jump up and yell GO DR. PHIL!! I am glad you said those things to Grant and I hope he folllows those words and realizes what a gift he recieved from you .  The one thing I wish you said to him is what is wrong with your arms you can straighten out the cabnets yourself ...a good wife starts with a happy partnership and a happy partnership stars with communication.   You have to be happy with yourself before you can make others happy.  I respect myself and what I do as a Mom and a wife and I give 100% and expect the same in return from not only my family but my friends and  every one else in my life.  Everyone has somebody in their life that will try to knock them down weither it be a husband, friend, boss ect.  but if you have the confidence to stand up for yourself is what you should strive for in life.   

  

Thank you Dr. Phil for making my day! 

Lynn  

 
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