Message Boards

Topic : 12/28 Wifestyles

Number of Replies: 2316
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1

(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

Find out what happened on the show.

More December 2005 Show Boards.


As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

User Mood
Peaceful

Message Emote
blank
February 21, 2006, 9:34 pm PST

Poor Kelly!

Grant seems clueless to me about what it means to be married and to love his wife.  Everything Dr. Phil said today seemed to fly right over Grant's head; he wasn't able to take it in because he had an agenda, foolish as that agenda may be.  A wife is not a child, and a husband should not be assuming the role of a parent in their relationship.  A man who loves his wife will treat her as his partner, not as a disobedient child who needs discipline.  Grant's commitment seems to be to a perfect home and hot meals rather than to a wife who loves him and simply wants him to love her back.  To add insult to injury, he takes off his wedding ring to show her that he is not going to concede to Kelly's ways!  That seems very childish to me, and most certainly hurtful to his wife, which I suppose is his intention.  That list of arbitrary skills he thinks a wife should have---I could only shake my head (with pity for Kelly) at some of the items Dr. Phil read from it.  I'm certain that there are some high energy women out there who are capable of fitting more into their day than I am, but there is no way that I, or most women, could meet Grant's unrealistic standards.  In demanding that Kelly meet his rigid expectations, he has lost sight of the true substance of marriage:  deep love, mutual respect, friendship and companionship, someone to share things that cannot be shared with any other person, a satisfying physical relationship, and the trust and acceptance that should be inherent in every marriage.  And how sad for their children, who observe and take in and personalize so much more than we are aware of!  It's very sad to imagine what kind of perception of a marriage relationship are they getting, and how will it affect their own relationships later on.  Grant needs to do some serious introspection and consider what is important in this life and what isn't, lest he lose that beautiful and wonderful wife and those precious children.     

 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
blank
February 21, 2006, 9:45 pm PST

To Each their own

My husband and I have been married for almost  3 years. I know its a tiny bit in the wide world of longevity, but it is also a mile stone in a world where people get married after only dating a week!. After watching the show I could see both sides of the argument and can be sympathic but only to a degree. She had to have had warning signs that he was the he was before they got married. I knew what sort of man I was marrying from how acted at home with his mother. Yes she did everything for him and had to almost beg him to do the dishes. I find myself mad sometimes because he wont lend a hand more often, but I know why he wont. He just knows I will break down and do it (like his mother did) or just give up. Once our dishes sat for almost a week. But in the big picture of life, who cares about who did what and when. He comes home to me every night, hes not cheatin on me, he isnt in a bar drinking or beating me. He loves me and smiles and is happy to see me.We are happy dirty dishes and all. So what if I foget to wash this or that. It can be done later. A marriage is more then just clean dishes and clean floors. Its about love, trust and understanding. Understanding that we may not always be that 100% wife or 100% husband and thats okay. We have to know what battles to pick and fighting over dishes is not one of them. We dont really fight hardly at all if ever. To me its just not worth it and wont get us anywhere. I know why he wont do things right away and its just how he is. Like me I have my issues that drive him nuts. I check the alarm clock 5 or 6 times just to be sure I set it. I even came back to the house to make sure I unplugged the coffee maker on my way to work. The issues with couples is that people think that the hero, or lover that they date then marry, will forever be that one way. Thats crap! We gain weight, loose hair and get old, its life. We have to be happy with how we are as we are now! Not who we were or want to be. Now is all that matters, God forbid something happens to either one of us and we are alone. Life is far to short to fuss over dishes, or how clean something is. I think if you want it done better, you can do it yourself. If not dont complain and get over it. If he does the dishes great if not, Ill get around to it, he isnt demanding them done now, and I wont either. We value our time together more then what we get done in a day.  Not everyone can be this way and thats life. Others might hate what I say and thats okay. Like it says to each their own and what works for some wont work for all.
 
User Mood
Touched

Message Emote
blank
February 21, 2006, 10:20 pm PST

Poor Kelly and Poor Grant

Poor Kelly who has to live with a man who doesn't know how to relax.  A home is a place for love and comfort.  The children and Kelly should be happy to see Grant come home at the end of the day.  I have a feeling that the children and Kelly have to put up with a bunch of mean spirited put-downs from Grant as soon as he walks in the door.   

  

Poor Grant who doesn't seem to know how feel love and compassion.  Grant seems to really want to change, otherwise he would not have agreed to appear on Dr. Phil's show.  Grant has a wonderful smile.  Think of how happy Kelly would feel if Grant's face would light up with a big smile everytime he saw her.  She needs to see Grant's appreciation for her just because he loves her and not because she performs her chores correctly.  Perhaps Grant can change because he seems to want to be a better husband.  But I think he will need a lot more help than Dr. Phil can give him on the show. 

  

I am a stay at home wife and my wonderful husband of 36 years often does the dishes and laundry and whatever else he sees that needs doing.  He doesn't look at this as "helping" me.  He thinks of doing these chores as part of his job to keep the home running smoothly.  We have never divided jobs into his and hers.  We just do what needs to be done for the betterment of our family. 

  

I hope that Kelly and Grant will become and caring, happy and loving couple.   

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
February 21, 2006, 10:45 pm PST

What is a wife? or husband's role?

 My husband and I have been married for 43 years today- Feb. 22. Here's what worked for us. Whatever had to be done was done by whomever could do it at the time. During our marraige and raising 3 kids we both worked. at times my husband went to school.He eventually worked retail and put in 12 hour days. I worked 7 days a week.If the children needed help with homework- he did math and history, I did English. Sometimes he handled the money, sometimes I did. He cooked or I cooked, He cleaned or I cleaned. I never demanded that he earned enough money for us to have everything- he just did the best he could. He didn't demand that I was the perfect wife- I did the best i could. We are still married and love each other.We are on good terms with our children and have a network of friends and family we see regularly- we both still work. I think that the good of the family needs to be defined and the couple should work for that. We always thought people were more important than things.
 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
February 21, 2006, 11:01 pm PST

From Grant - Calm down!

Quote From: phares

I was mortified tonight when I watched your show to see how Amy attacked Grant's wife.  Amy said that she did not give Grant enough attention.  Yes, she is a stay at home mother, but just because she chose to do this does not mean that she chose to have her husband be her supervisor.  I am actually pretty anal myself, so I can understand the frustration that one can feel when things seem out of place or messy, but I also realize that this is my issue!  If you don't think she is doing something up to par, do it yourself!  If you haven't noticed lately Grant, your wife has a 24 hour job while you are working a regular shift.  From the time you leave in the morning to the time you return in the evening she is working, so what makes you think you have the right to become the supervisor when you get home.  You aren't being paid for this job, and I'm sure you could see from the hurt in your wives face, that she does not appreciate you taking this job on when you come home.  Maybe if you showed her how to do the tasks that you deem as done uncorrectly, and worked along side of her to help her get the extra tasks done that aren't up to your standards, she would have some extra time and energy to learn to tango.  I have four children and my fiance helps around the house when he gets home from work, because although you haven't given your wife the credit, she has been working all day long with the kids and the house while you have been at work.  Being a wife and a mother is a 24 hour job, and believe me, the sexiest thing that a stay at home mom could ever see is her man cleaning a toilet or putting the dishes in the dish washer!    I am on maternity leave, but I am also the bread winner of my household while being a woman.  I find it amazing that people expect women to be able to be the bread winner, and the perfect mother and housewife, and the man is only required to put in a 40 hour week.  Give me a break!  Get off your butt and help at home.  Grant, I do give you some credit for recognizing that you have issues that need to be addressed, but for goodness sakes, if your wife is working through this with you please put the ring back on.  What a slap in the face to the mother of your children, who cares how messy your house is.  If you are that worried about it hire a cleaning lady, and stop treating your wife like a ten year old because if this marriage doesn't work you could end up putting out an add that asks for a handy woman, a cleaning lady, a laundry mat attendant, a car wash attendant, and a nanny, and believe me when I say from experience that is very expensive.  I hope you looked at your wives face to see how much she loves you and how it breaks her spirit and degrades her when you treat her the way you do.  I don't think it is your intention, but as they say, intention or not it still breaks her spirit.  Like Dr. Phil says, "What can you do to make your wives life better every day?"  I bet if you were a little nicer you would get a lot more out of your relationship!  As far as her cooking goes, do you cook?  How about grabbing a sandwhich for everyone in the family next time you stop on the way home so your wife can sit back and put her feet up!  Grant, you and your wife are really decent people, which is hard to come by now days.  Don't let her get away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  

  

  

  

Rewind the tape and watch it again. 

Amy wasn't attacking anyone. 

She was showing empathy for Kelly. 

 
User Mood
Touched

Message Emote
embarrassed
February 22, 2006, 12:50 am PST

Adams rib

Quote From: mlrocz

I saw the clip of this show and I'm sure its going to upset me to watch. 

Women, just because men treated us on the whole like slaves for centuries does not mean it is what God intended. 

IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man.  It doesn't make sense to me though, I know I wasn't made from man and that empowers me to realize I'm here to make up my own mind about how to let people (men) treat me.    

BTW, my husband is a loving caring individual, and an excellent father.  He does as much of the house cleaning and he listens to me.    

I am embarrased for you.  If you are going to refer to the Bible, then know a bit more.  Marraige is precious to God, so precious that He designed Eve for Adam because he needed a help mate, and yes, from Adam's own rib he created woman.  When we marry, we become one flesh and the husband is to cleave to the wife and love her as Christ loved the church, willing to die for her.  But, he is also the head of the family, not the dictator.  He is to consider his wifes needs but in the end, what he says goes.  The verse that says the wife should submit to her husband is one of comfort.  It does not mean that I am under his thumb, it does not mean that I should have sex any time he wants.  It means that, in a loving relationship where the husband loves his wife so much, that he takes responsiblity for making good choices for his family and the wife is to RESPECT his role as head.  It gives me peace and comfort to submit to my husband this way as it is the way the Lord designed marraige.
 
User Mood
Touched

Message Emote
hopeful
February 22, 2006, 12:52 am PST

Helpmates

Quote From: skpcola

This message is about as clear as I've heard(read) in a long time.   Marriage is two way, and this is what it is meant to be.  It is also a job to be worked at and nurtured so the relationship grows. 
Amen sister, well said!
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
worried
February 22, 2006, 5:23 am PST

Does anyone agree with me that Kelly is in a dangerous situation?

I think Kelly is in a volatile situation. Grant is so controlling and is on the edge of violence. Kelly should leave,take her kids,and get on with finding someone who appreciates her for what she is and raising more stable children not exposed to this personality.
 
User Mood
Peaceful

Message Emote
blank
February 22, 2006, 5:44 am PST

Notes from a Grandma

Grant, I am a wife, mom, and grandma, and I will be 50 years old very soon.  When I watched you, I thought way back almost 29 years ago when I married my husband.  I came from a home where we lived pretty much like piglets.  He came from a home so clean you could eat off the floor.  I was my mother-in-law's worst nightmare.  We had some rough spots, but I became a better housekeeper and my husband got used to a casual style of housekeeping.  When our kids were in their teens, our house was the place to be.  Our driveway was always full of cars.  The kids knew which homes they were not welcome in; they were the homes where good people lived but nothing could be out of order.  My kitchen was never immaculate, but our kids' friends always knew there would be food here when they came.  It's been two months now since we became emptynesters.  I have a lot more time now to spend keeping the house in order, but I don't foresee it ever becoming a picture perfect home.  When my grandkids come to visit, I want them to know this is a home to be used, to play in, to make some messes in, to be a place they always want to be.    

  

I want to share a story with you.  Recently I had the opportunity to care for two young nephews who I only see once a year.  When there was a scuffle between them, I attempted to resolve the situation.  The oldest who was six, turned to me and with more authority than a lot of adults I know, proceeded to give me a sermon about his dad being in charge and how I had no right to tell him anything.  This saga went on for a good length of time and before it was over, I was trembling and shaken to the core.  Never in my life have I experienced anything like this.  This was not a bratty child throwing a temper tantrum; this was a child who carried on an adult-style confrontation, putting me in my place for daring to question him.  I attempted to talk to their dad, whose dictator style as a husband and parent was already evident to me.  My brother blamed his wife for not listening to him as he tried to teach her parenting skills he thought she should know.  I gently tried to explain to him that his kids were seeing and hearing him teaching and admonishing their mother, which took her out of the position of deserving respect from them and put her at their level; a child being taught by her father-husband.  He told me he has never witnessed his son behaving like I was describing, although his wife had told him the same story many times, but he maintained it was her fault, not the boy's because she was not teachable.  I explained that his son would never dream of behaving like that in front of him but in his absence, he assumed the position of his dad, and was in charge of his mother, and on that day, me.  Unfortunately, my brother refused to acknowlege that theory.  Even though our mother never kept a clean home or taught us how to do it ourselves, she was a dictator.  My brother inherited this honestly.  So did I, but I chose to rid myself of it, which did not occur overnight.  It's something I have to work on daily because your blood is in you and stays with you.  I wish I had understood all this from the beginning of my marriage.  My kids would tell you I was not the ideal mother, but I believe they would also tell you I worked very hard to overcome a difficult upbringing to become a good wife and mom.  I think they would also say they have a lot of fond memories.  Good luck to you, Grant!  I have confidence in you! 

 

Message Emote
blank
February 22, 2006, 7:36 am PST

Teach Your Children Well

Hi again Kelly. Learn from me if poss. I too EE "widow." Took me till my kids were in teens to get a grip on me & stop looking to husband or society for validation. 

  

Your job as stay-at-home parent is to teach your children to function well in the world. This always means being part of a team. Household tasks are family tasks; work is joint, not individual.  Sorry but ignore your husband-- leave space for him to step into the team if he gets tired of sitting on the bench. 

  

Begin teaching your kids household responsibility from babyhood. Especially boys, because society won't help them with this. If they grow up feeling competent around the house, they may be more flexible negotiating spousal roles when adult, despite poor parental modeling. 

  

You see how your babies love to imitate. Let them copy putting toys in a big container as soon as they can sit up.  Don't mess with toy-organizing bins until the eldest is at least 5 or 6, if ever. Each brain organizes on its own & must be given space to find its way. 

  

Here's a great way to study how kids operate and learn: volunteer as a parent-helper in preK & K. 

  

Teach toddlers how to pull the covers up daily,  to 'make' their beds-- you do yours while they do theirs. KEY: don't ever 'correct' or make it neater. Let them be proud & show it off.  Teach them additional steps just one at a time as they grow in size & coordination.  

  

Don't make my stupid errors:  do 'men's' work yourself-- from taking out the garbage to changing the oil in the car, & involve your kids. It is great training for girl or boy. Lots of helpful info online.  

  

Handling money wisely is part of household responsibility. Begin with small change at an early age-- give them opportunities to earn & spend.  As they grow, larger household tasks can be taught & motivated this way.  

  

Don't be surprised-- EXPECT-- your spouse to interfere & try to sabotage your efforts.  Listen courteously to his perspective, minimize discussion, & do what's best for the kids.  

  

Best of luck. 

  

  

 
First | Prev | 222 | 223 | 224 | 225 | 226 | 227 | 228 | 229 | 230 | 231 | Next | Last