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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 2:08 pm PDT

Diana-1950's wife

 My opinion Diana is that "yes, you can have a career, family and marrital bliss". I believe you have to work at it to work but it does happen. I have been married 10 yrs, 2 children, 5 and 8 yrs old. and I am a nursing assistant at a nursing home. I have always worked, and got married right out of high school. My 1st child was born when I was 20. I do believe in making your husband happy, but not by being a perfect wife, there is no such thing. Everyone has flaws but I think you need to accept them and go on. My husband and I feel we are soul mates. Where I have flaws, he fills them and vice versa. The reason for the 1950's thing is that there is an article in a 1950's Good Housekeeping that describes the perfect wife at that time. I suggest that everyone should read it. You may find it enlightning. I thought it was something different. I noticed after I read it that I fit somewhere in the 1950's. I try to do the best I can as a wife, mother and a career woman, as other woman feel as well.
 

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October 10, 2005, 2:10 pm PDT

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My spouse and I were watching your show and I felt that Grant was misunderstood.  Yes, he did have some very distorted ways of dealing with his wife.  But I feel that him asking her to dress seductively was something he would like in moderation.  I don't believe he wants her to dress seductively every day.  As someone who deals with people, and as a man it surprises me that you did get that.  I feel he was reprimanded for  his poor choice of dealing with his wife, but the focus I think he wanted was her organization.  Yes she has kids, so do many women, part of his struggle in his day with the kids was the organization of the kitchen.  If things were already orderly then perhaps both of their days would be easier.  I don't think she was quite the "victim" she made herself out to be.  Some of the arguments made were minimal but valid.  If you could, look at a different perspective with this couple.  No he should not grade her cooking, but yes a cabinet full of papers is unnecessary.  I feel that it was somewhat one sided, and Grant deserves a good lesson, but also a chance to have some of what he's asking for to be heard. 

I don't need breast implants or a french maid costume for my husband to think I'm sexy.  We've been happily married for 21 years, and he has never once suggested plastic surgery (even though at this age I'm considering it).    How could anyone think that you could take that beaten down, depressed woman and dress her in porn star clothes and make her feel sexy? He didn't CARE how she felt, he just cared how she looked.  Any women will be wa-a-a-ay sexier when her husband makes her feel loved and accepted. 

  

 With respect to the household organizsation, I agree that they needed to do it but I don't see what Grant's problem was. Organize it!   I love it when my cleaning lady has reorged all my cupboards! It's heaven for a while. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:10 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

Greetings, I watched this show regarding the husband who thought his wife was his purchased material! I lived this as well, 13 years too many, I packed my car, with my two children and left! Thanking God, as I left for the last time! I am sure Dr. Phil you have heard all the comeback reasons, why women return to this type of abuse! Anyway, I wrote everything down, after a time, that I would not allow to happen to me again in my life time! Married to someone like that and all the decripteve details, shredded it and it is gone, no more ulcers, no more incredibly exhausted self! I had no self, I wasn't a person anymore, actually I was the man, woman and mother to him! I worked 3 & 4 jobs, some overlapping to support that person! He continued to complain regarding the grass not cut right, house dirty, meals were not ready, kids did nothing correct, my regret is I stayed "too" long!  I did have family close who offered me comfort, home, love! My problem is because my family and extended family were always a loving caring family, I truly was so innocent! I thought I knew people, but I never knew bad people would appear so nice! It appears to me that the users and abusers have some type of radar built in, zoning in on the sweet girls, looking for love! My daughter's friends have been found by a few! If this poor lady doesn't change her perspective, she will be me in 10 years! Lost those years to misery! Trying to appear happy, as "if your husband isn't happy, it "Must be the woman's fault"! What RUBBISH!  My ex did not then and does not now have the capacity to accept responsibilty for his actions! He remarried someone just like him, "which was my wish, I did say I hoped he found someone he DESERVED!" HE GOT IT, EXACTLY THAT!  My girls are grown, have a realistic view of life, one has been married for 13 years, the youngest finished college and is engaged to be married Sept. 2006. Niether child was involved with drugs, alcohol, no unexpected babies, even after marriage; I think there was a plan! But tell that lady to get out or he needs to get with it, she needs unconitional love, one in which I was fortunate to find in my later years! S. Michigan  

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:11 pm PDT

maddog13 another wife like you waving back

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

At the end of your show today, you posed the question what wives think marriage should be all about, or at least I believe I remember that was the question (am getting a day older too!). 

  

After nearly 28 years of marriage, I am more than ever convinced that it boils down to a solid partnership with very personal touches. My husband and I are partners in just about everything, maybe in everything, period. We are partners in love and lovemaking, in friendship, in stewardship of our material things, in our social lives, in preparing our future, etc. It has not always been this way, but it has grown into this ultimate and intimate partnership. A partnership can never exist as a full partnership if not some and hopefully all of the conditions of a partnership are fulfilled: respect for one another, for one another's tastes, opinions, feelings, emotions, thoughts, expression of feelings, desires, abilities, traditions, customs, needs, personality (not necessarily in this order); appreciation of one another's talents and efforts to add to the partnership; willingness to compromise once in a while to benefit the partner (which then ultimately again benefits the one who compromises, is my experience); willingness to take on task chores of the other one, recognition of the state of mind and energy of the other one, etc., etc. The e-mail would become too long to list it all. I love my husband with all I got in me and he loves me too, as far as we both are concerned, unconditionally. Of course, we fulfill certain obligations, not only for ourselves, but also for one another: he works to make us an income, I take care of the home front, including administration, house cleaning, yard work, etc. but ONLY because I choose to do that. If it gets too much, I ask him to take over some of it and he'll gladly do that. He polishes my personality with cherishing me, and I believe I do the same to him. It is not something that we feel we MUST do, we do it because we LOVE to make the other one feel so good, so worthy, so special and so irreplaceable. And yes, we fight at times, but then we both imagine how the other one must be feeling in that particular argument, how would you feel if he said that to you? How would she feel if I did that to her? And then everything gets really good again in no time at all. After all these years we have learned to try to imagine what our words would mean to the other partner , what our actions would have for effect on the other and if they would hurt, well, jeez Louise, then don't say them to the other, or don't do that to the other, or whatever the situation is. We are not perfect and will never be, but I can tell you one thing: we love being with one another and  feel so blessed with what we have. I sometimes tell my husband, do you know how secure you make me feel, how self confident I am because of you? Do you know what it means to me to feel and know that you love me, just me, as your partner for life? He tells me I am his sunshine, the reason for his tenacity in his work situation, his princess, the apple of his eye, the reason he wants to wake up every day again. What more can you wish for as a wife? 

I so wished everybody who desires to be married, could experience this kind of relationship. 

This is what we sort of have here too & it's been 23yrs.!  It's hard to explain to people what it means to be a partner with your spouse when the lines of partnership aren't even definable because we're just equal partners with it all & no matter what we're doing.  I found myself wanting to write a book to continue the list you'd started of the ways we're partners to each other but in short we're partners in that we're making a life together & supporting each other in that shared life.  We're certainly individual & support each other in all that entails but that usually comes back to us as a couple.   

  

I agree it's wonderful when you love & value each other & you remind each other of it.  It isn't a "perfect" world & we're not "perfect people" but that's the great part because we know there other will still be there & perfection isn't required for the other to continue loving & valuing.   

  

I have to say thank you because there's so much anger & pain around us & so many failing marriages it's nice to hear there are others out there.  It's difficult when I hear spouses speaking so disrespectfully to & about each other.  & then in some ways it makes we wanna hug mine even tighter & say "thanks for loving me the way you do."   I tend to think like you I wish all wives could experience this kind of relationship/love but then they'd have to be just like us too.  :)  I mean if another was with our hubby's they probably wouldn't see them the same as we do.  & that's the key & the reason why we're all so very lucky.  & that brings me back to why I always wanna tell him thank you & to thank my lucky stars for my hubby in my life.  It's kind of sad that the people who are happy don't make any of the show topics.  I have to wonder how many stories like us are out there.? 

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:13 pm PDT

choosing the right partner

I have been married twice and after becoming a widow I learned one thing.  I am me.  This is how I look and act and these are the things I do and like to do.  To change any of that is to say that you don't want me. Making sure the person in your life is not trying to change you is very important.  The important thing is to find out before you get married.  If they want you to change anything tell them to go find the person they are looking for.  I spent a lot of time trying to live up to what my husband's wanted and it was impossible. 
 
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October 10, 2005, 2:15 pm PDT

What makes a good wife?

On the rare occasion I am home on a weekday and get to watch Dr. Phil, I was amused at the topic of the day.  For almost the last 2 years, my husband and I have switched roles -- after shutting down a business my husband fully retired now stays home with our 3 kids (twin 12 year girls and a 6 year son) and he takes care of us while I work outside the home.  I do mean takes care of us including all the housecleaning, buying groceries, laundry, cooking, yard work, pool work, mr fix-it, family errands, and even some clothing repairs (sewing) -- I can't even sew!! It has been an adjust for the whole family but has given all of us a new perspective.  Even before the switch my husband and I shared a tremendous amount of the household responsibilities, but now more than ever he realizes how much it takes to keep a household going.  And I, too, realize that he needs encouragement and support to know that he provides a tremendous foundation for the whole family and especially to me as I pursue my career.   I wish more men had the courage and stamina to do what my husband does each and every day, including field trips, running the kids back and forth, and now dealing with teenagers again.  I feel truly blessed to have a wonderful husband and partner!
 
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October 10, 2005, 2:16 pm PDT

WOW!

 Grant needs to get some help.  He acts just like my boss.  ( if Dr. Phil could just spend an hour at work with me, you could get a seasons worth of material.)  It's no fun to be around people like that.    I hate to see someone so unhappy.   I don't think that he gets it.   I would guess that he was treated the  same way as a child.   

  

  I'm about to get married this weekend and I'm sooo thankful for having what I consider to be the perfect man.  I hope everyone can be with people that appreciate them.   

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:16 pm PDT

Wifestyles

I was home sick today and had a chance to watch Dr. Phil's show on Wifestyles.  In considering the first couple, ....I believe their names were Kelly and Grant:  Unless she married the man in the first few weeks of dating (which is never recommended) I would say that Kelly knew what she was getting but thought he would change once they were married.  People do not change.  If you cannot accept how a person is, then do not marry them.  The second young woman felt she was the model wife.  I suppose, for her situation she is.  And the third woman, who never wanted to marry..........luckily, she lives in a wonderful country where she can live that way if she chooses. I was married as a teenager and divorced 3 years later with a child.  Put myself and subsequently, my daughter, through college and never married because I, like the third guest, would not compromise what I wanted for a man.  Then I met my husband.  He loves me just the way I am!  I am unorganized and I don't rinse the dishes before I put them in the dishwasher and surprisingly........it is of little consequence to him.  He leaves towels and dirty clothes on the bedroom floor and I laugh as I pick them up.  Why?  Because he loves me more than anything in the world and I know it..........and he knows the same about me.  I know he would never stray and he knows I wouldn't either because no one makes me feel as good about myself as he does and vice versa.   

  

Just today, I was home sick and some boys appeared to be climbing our fence into our back yard.  I got upset, called the police and made a report.  My husband realized that it was just young boys out of school for the day and weren't really attempting to terrorize me.........but he's at the hardware store right now buying latches and motion lights so I will feel better.  That's what people who love each other do...........they celebrate the other ones foibles, and spend each moment they can showing the other how much they love and respect the other.  It could be that because we are both in our early 40's and recently married, we have a different appreciation than if we were young with babie at home.........but, I knew I could never survive that, so I remained single during that time. 

  

Now, I'm a good wife and the reason is because no matter what I do, my husband thinks I am.......and I am constantly amazed at what a good husband he is........  

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:17 pm PDT

WI Did Not Marry To Be My Husband's Maid!

Obviously, by the title of this message you can tell how I feel about the subject. When my husband gets demanding and critical, I remind him of this. That our marriage license does not nor will ever entitle him to a maid for the rest of his years. I have four children all under the age of six. He has NEVER gotten up during the night with a baby, he has NEVER spoon-fed a child. And he never will. I am very lucky in some aspects that he does help me at home (the few hours that he his home), he does change diapers, and he reluctantly will help with laundry. However, I do feel that I have lost everything that makes me who I am. I believe if I don't look and act how he wants me to 24-7 that he will leave me. He married an employed,  thin, sex maniac, always well-dressed, make-up on, hair done, house spotless woman. (I had 2 kids when I met him) Now two more kids later,  I am at home all the time, I am lucky to get a shower every day let alone put on make up and get all dressed up, I am heavier but not fat, not as agile in the bedroom as I used to be, and the cleanliness of my house needs major improvement. I can barely find time for myself to get cleaned up during the day. I don't even remember what it is I like to do anymore. When I do have free time I sit and womder what it was I used to do that made me happy. I don't see the point in getting all dolled up and in good clothes before my hubby gets home. He doesn't help much with the kids on the evening nor does he do any cooking. Why get dressed up and put make up on to sit in the house all day cleaning, washing clothes, wiping baby spit-up off you, and scrubbing the toilets and showers? Why? Why do that? Why do it right before he comes home...??? If he can't love me for what I look like not having a shower and without makeup then I don't need him anyways. My husband has given up that part of the arguement. But I will say that being a devoted wife and mother will take away alot of who you are. There is no independent in marriage. If it is...it is I call that co-inhabitants...not married. When you each do as you want when you want it adn the other just takes it as that's how things are...that's not married life. Married life is about SHARING YOUR LIFE TOGETHER. That means joint decisions, ONE vacation TOGETHER WITH all the kids. That means sharing what's going on in the house (talking about bills, making major purchases, etc)  One does loose alot of what it means to be yourself and independent. Everyone says oh well, you need some time alone, you need to get away from the kids for a few hours. Can most women really say that is an option. I often feel trapped, alone, unappreciated, and that I will never be good enough no matter how clean my house is or how well I cook. There will always be someone telling you its not enough and there will always be something on TV showing you how a wife is "supposed" to be. Damed if you do and damned if you don't. I do have a very happy marriage, but part of making that happen meant both of us giving up alot of the things that make us our own person. Now we find things that are common interest for both of us and do them. Or one weekend we do something he likes and the next we do something I like. It takes sacrifice on both parts. Women are not the only ones who give up things in order to make a happy home.
 

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October 10, 2005, 2:17 pm PDT

Maybe I'm not forgiving enough

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It's too bad that you think there's no hope for Grant.  Optomist that  I am, I  hope  he sees the light now that  the world has shared their opinion of him.   As Kelly expresses herself, which she definitely needs to do, Grant may make the changes he needs to make in order for her to remain committed to the marriage.  He must have some good qualities, as Kelly seems to be relatively intelligent and has sense and good judgment.  Hopefully, after seeking Dr. Phil's help, they will both find the respect for themselves and for each other they deserve. 

Haven't you ever heard love is blind?  She problably overlooked his shortcomings and maybe had low self-esteem before she even married him.  I hope you don't really think she should be thinking divorce and second marriage yet!
When I watched that segment, and saw how Grant beat Kelly down in every single area, including wanting her to have plastic surgery... I just could not imagine how a relationship could ever recover from that.  I know that although I could possibly forgive that,  I could never love him or have sex with him ~shudder~.  Some things are just too broken.
 
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