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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

Too bad my husband is boycotting Dr. Phil

My 7 year marriage is falling apart because my husband can't accept me for me.  We went through pre-marital counseling and made many decisions concerning married life BEFORE we got married.  Things were great for the first part of our marriage.  Unfortunately, I got sick. 

  

Since my daily life is ruled by my illness, I am constantly berated and belittled.  I'm not healthy enough, and waste too much money on doctor visits and medicines.   I'm not thrifty enough, I'm not (excessively) saving enough, I don't have sex enough, I don't initiate enough, I'm not neat enough and I'm not compliant enough.  I don't cook enough, I don't please him enough.  I'm not organized enough. I don't work enough and I don't earn enough.   

  

I am a decent, loving, nurturing, caring, generous, thrifty, responsible, honest, loyal person.  My marriage is not falling apart because I'm lazy.  Dispite what I, my doctors, or our therapist tells my husband, he continues to believe that our marriage would be fine if I just tried harder.   

  

I'm trying desperately to stay married.  I come from divorce, children are innocent, and don't deserve to be the products of divorce or conflict of a bad marriage either.  I am willing to do whatever I need to do for the sake of my son.  Even if it means being miserable. 

  

I admit freely that I am domestically challenged.  But we do not live in a pig sty.  Even though we have the money, he will not allow me to have someone come in every now and then to help with the cleaning because he thinks I don't deserve the help.   Because of my illness, I need to choose constantly between being a loving and attentive mom and making my husband happy by satifying all of his requirements. In light of this, I would consider it the ultimate failure if my tombstone said "She Kept a Clean House" especially since even if I did, it wouldn't have been good enough for him anyway. 

  

He hates dr. phil and leaves the room if I have the show on.  I got the book on CD, Relationship Rescue and kept it in the car.  He wouldn't listen.   I think he believes that his advice is unreasonable and besides, wouldn't apply to me anyway because I'm so lazy.  Wish I had someone to slap him in the face and tell him he's lucky he's got a great wife.  Even if she does leave dishes in the sink.   

  

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:43 pm PDT

My name is Indy I admit I have this problem.

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  Marriage is a partnership & the respect should flow both ways! I would have to say as the husband in the marriage I was the one that was criticized & treated poorly. I was never thin enough, did enough around the house no matter how hard I worked. My wife was the major breadwinner & treated me like I was the slave. I worked, I just worked graveyards & slept during the day. But according to her I should have been up cleaning & taking care of business. I am not saying I am perfect but if she had treated me with respect & as an equal partner the marriage might have worked. Sometime I wonder how our children turned out so well & how on earth we stayed married for 10 years. So people, the morale of the story is: "treat each other as you would like to be treated". No one is THE BOSS, you are PARTNERS.   Chris E OKC, OK

Wow , 

 Eye opening ! I knew I did this just didn't realize the effect it has on my husband. I feel like he is very passive so I take charge ALOT apperantly too much. I my be some of the reason he never has 2cents to offer on anything. I've left him to scared to speak and emothionaly bankrupt. Wow, now how do I reverse this. Hopefully I'll have the patience to get this right. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:45 pm PDT

You never had kids

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The only person that has a realistic take on this is Diana - she understands that no home can function properly without the woman staying at home. Her husband earns the money and she runs the empire at home - one of the most noble and probably satisfying things someone can do. Who wants to work all day, leave your children, be stressed out and come home and have to take care of the family? You are a very very lucky woman Diana and I think you know it!! I am 30 & single and have a very satisfying career. I would give it up in a second to have a loving family and stay at home and take care of everyone! I would even wear hot stilettos everyday if that's what it takes!  

Karen 

ps-who ever said that the kitchen is a prison??? 

  

 Be careful what you wish for...you may just get it.
 
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October 10, 2005, 2:45 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I saw the clip of this show and I'm sure its going to upset me to watch. 

Women, just because men treated us on the whole like slaves for centuries does not mean it is what God intended. 

IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man.  It doesn't make sense to me though, I know I wasn't made from man and that empowers me to realize I'm here to make up my own mind about how to let people (men) treat me.    

BTW, my husband is a loving caring individual, and an excellent father.  He does as much of the house cleaning and he listens to me.    

I would just like to say that so many of these women don't realize that 20 yrs ago many women didn't have the CHOICES we have now.  you can CHOOSE to stay at home, you can CHOOSE to go to work.  You can CHOOSE to do either or both. However, the downside for me is that now I feel as if women are expected to do it all. What I'd like to know is when did it stop being shameful to be a man who didn't take care of his family properly??  If I had a husband who took care of his family properly, maybe I'd have the luxury of being a stay at home mom.   

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:46 pm PDT

Diana you rock!

The only person that has a realistic take on this is Diana - she understands that no home can function properly without the woman staying at home. Her husband earns the money and she runs the empire at home - one of the most noble and probably satisfying things someone can do. Who wants to work all day, leave your children, be stressed out and come home and have to take care of the family? You are a very very lucky woman Diana and I think you know it!! I am 30 & single and have a very satisfying career. I would give it up in a second to have a loving family and stay at home and take care of everyone! I would even wear hot stilettos everyday if that's what it takes!  

Karen 

ps-who ever said that the kitchen is a prison??? 

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:46 pm PDT

Does BILL have a WIFE

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Hey, Bill...LOL. I read your letter and just cracked up.
I love watching TV all day and surfing the net. I'm wondering what a nice guy like you would suggest I wear when hubby gets home?  

I'd personally LOVE to go back to work full time and get my PhD--but one of us had to sacrifice life in the working lane to take care of stuff around here. I make great money working part time. I'd give my right arm to have HIM stay at home and me get the heck out of here every day. 

You sound like a darn good catch, btw. What's YOUR wife do? (or wife number one, two or three?) I sure hope if you're the one at home, you put on your dress and get the drinks ready at 6:00. 

OMG. Can't wait to read you on these boards everyday. 

I can tell we're going to be GREAT friends :)  

First off, there are a lot of us that tried the muffin thing and it doesnt work!!!!! Plus MUFFINS are not all that great for the body. I work fulltime and go to school two nights a week to become an EMT. So whos gonna put the dress and heels on for me when i come home? Who's gonna have supper fixed, the laundry done and put away, dishes, and the kid's homework done? For US single parents its left to us and yes I CHOSE to become a single parent. Its better to be a single parent then to stay in the relationships that are being talked about on here. So Bill, i hope you have the dress and heels on if we ever meet.
 
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October 10, 2005, 2:47 pm PDT

whoa where do I begin?

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Obviously, by the title of this message you can tell how I feel about the subject. When my husband gets demanding and critical, I remind him of this. That our marriage license does not nor will ever entitle him to a maid for the rest of his years. I have four children all under the age of six. He has NEVER gotten up during the night with a baby, he has NEVER spoon-fed a child. And he never will. I am very lucky in some aspects that he does help me at home (the few hours that he his home), he does change diapers, and he reluctantly will help with laundry. However, I do feel that I have lost everything that makes me who I am. I believe if I don't look and act how he wants me to 24-7 that he will leave me. He married an employed,  thin, sex maniac, always well-dressed, make-up on, hair done, house spotless woman. (I had 2 kids when I met him) Now two more kids later,  I am at home all the time, I am lucky to get a shower every day let alone put on make up and get all dressed up, I am heavier but not fat, not as agile in the bedroom as I used to be, and the cleanliness of my house needs major improvement. I can barely find time for myself to get cleaned up during the day. I don't even remember what it is I like to do anymore. When I do have free time I sit and womder what it was I used to do that made me happy. I don't see the point in getting all dolled up and in good clothes before my hubby gets home. He doesn't help much with the kids on the evening nor does he do any cooking. Why get dressed up and put make up on to sit in the house all day cleaning, washing clothes, wiping baby spit-up off you, and scrubbing the toilets and showers? Why? Why do that? Why do it right before he comes home...??? If he can't love me for what I look like not having a shower and without makeup then I don't need him anyways. My husband has given up that part of the arguement. But I will say that being a devoted wife and mother will take away alot of who you are. There is no independent in marriage. If it is...it is I call that co-inhabitants...not married. When you each do as you want when you want it adn the other just takes it as that's how things are...that's not married life. Married life is about SHARING YOUR LIFE TOGETHER. That means joint decisions, ONE vacation TOGETHER WITH all the kids. That means sharing what's going on in the house (talking about bills, making major purchases, etc)  One does loose alot of what it means to be yourself and independent. Everyone says oh well, you need some time alone, you need to get away from the kids for a few hours. Can most women really say that is an option. I often feel trapped, alone, unappreciated, and that I will never be good enough no matter how clean my house is or how well I cook. There will always be someone telling you its not enough and there will always be something on TV showing you how a wife is "supposed" to be. Damed if you do and damned if you don't. I do have a very happy marriage, but part of making that happen meant both of us giving up alot of the things that make us our own person. Now we find things that are common interest for both of us and do them. Or one weekend we do something he likes and the next we do something I like. It takes sacrifice on both parts. Women are not the only ones who give up things in order to make a happy home.

I think you need to stop & think about what you're saying here.  I think you've got Mommy burn out & I'm sorry I don't mean any of this to sound like I'm being a smart @ss, but Mommy burn out is a real thing.  You sound like you've a very low opinion of yourself & many of the titles you put on yourself.  All those people are right you do need time for yourself sometimes even if only to gather your thoughts.  I don't know about getting "dressed up" but when you allow yourself to not dress it can effect your self esteem.  You're not just dressing up for hubby but you do so for YOU.  If you feel like you look like a slob you start to feel you are a slob.............  You'd said that you "will never be good enough no matter how clean my house is or how well I cook"  are you saying you'll never be good enough in the opinion of society or are you saying you'll never be good enough to your own standards?   

  

Again I think you've Mommy burnout & that's why there are so many contradictions in terms in your post "I often feel trapped, alone, unappreciated,"   Then you go on & turn around & say "I do have a very happy marriage."  I'm sure you do have a happy marriage & I know we're hearing the frustrations your feeling being a mom & wife & I know this from experience.  We can be home with kids just so long before we really need an adult to talk to & being at home or working outside of it women have an awful lot of things on their plates to balance.  It's just too over whelming.  Some time to yourself can be something as simple as a relaxing bath once a week.  Some time alone *is* an option.  You're right in that a marriage is sacrifice on both parts & for a husband to watch kids for an hour or so so we can try to regain our senses usually comes back to a guy in a good way anyway.  :)   

  

Please take care of yourself you'll find you'll have so much more patience & you'll feel better about everything.  AGain I hope this didn't sound self rightoues because it isn't intended that way.    

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:47 pm PDT

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The husband on today's show "Wifestyles" lacking people skills.  Could he be really trying to bash on someone who reminds him of a parent he hated or of the things in himself he hated? 

  

She selected a mate who is really untrainable in my opinion.  There's not much to work with if all he can see if what he wants, needs and expects.  It's like a big infant who is also Hitler.   

  

As for the woman who said working mothers can't do a good job both in & out of the home.  Not everyone is so anal they can look up what they've planned for dinner in 2017.  Everyone has different styles of management & just because this woman likes to do the rigid approach to being a mate, doesn't mean all wives are like that.  Who can say what someone else is capable of?  Each woman has a different I.Q., level of emotional or mental stability, etc.  Every mom must decide for herself what she is capable of.  It's hard to pretend your the anal type if you're more of a creative type.  Some people follow instinct more than lists on calendars.  And then the kids make things really unpredictable.  Three kids in this household are not equivalent to three kids in the next house.  All have different temperaments, genes, bents, experiences, problems, gifts, and motivations.   

  

If you want to spray perfume, put on a fresh shirt, and look good for your mate, do it.  But home is a place where every family member can let their hair down and be themselves.  If they feel tired and don't have the time or energy to look good, home is the place to do that.  My husband doesn't try to look good for me when he gets home.  He comes home to enjoy himself and get comfortable.  And he doesn't reach for his most attractive shirt when he changes after work, he reaches for the biggest, softest, most comfy clothes.  They don't match.  Sometimes they're not clean, but he's home & it's okay to just be a slob & kick back at home.  It's just "us."  And I get to be that way at home, too.  When we go out, we try to clean up and put on a fresh shirt.  But after 12 years of marriage, the love is about the other's heart and soul, not their duds. 

  

Life's too short to worry about superficial appearances.  I'd love my husband if he were covered in motor oil and farting up a storm.  And vice versa.  If we were both wanting to feel romantic on a particular night, we would each try to dress in a way that made us feel good about ourselves to enhance our romantic mood.  But we don't try to force others to follow our way of living. 

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 2:48 pm PDT

Dr laura

, The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, Dr. Laura (radio talk show) is one who comes to mind when the one lady on the show today was talking ,also, give her a listen to Dr Laura on the am radio  dial . She very staight to the point and funny too.
 
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October 10, 2005, 2:49 pm PDT

Equality in the household

Well, I suppose it depends on how much $money$ the husband can make being the sole person in the workforce  to begin with. Some women have to work and don't have a choice. While some women want to work, even though they don't have to;  which in  that case the woman should not have more than 2 children really. I don't think its right to go dump your kids off at the babysitter or daycare and let someone else raise them for you if you don't have to.  

  

No, as a wife and an employee you can't give 100% to your job and your family. If the woman has to work, the husband should equally help out in the home. He should want to do this anyway. Why should a woman have to work all day and be a slave at home too? Even my fiance doen't think that is fair or right.   

  

I am a full time college student and live with my fiance. I don't have a job; college is my job. I do all the housework; I cook and clean. I want to do this for him, because I know he works hard for us. He still comes home and takes out the trash. When I was studying this weekend for my midterms; he mopped the floors, unloaded the dishwasher, and even cleaned out my truck and I didn't ask him to.  We discussed prior to living together what both of our roles would be.  

 
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