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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 5:24 pm PDT

what is a wife?

  As a 39 yr old man, married for 18 yrs, I have found that a wife is first and foremost my partner for life. My wife is my best friend, one who I can laugh with, a shoulder to cry on, the mother to my girls, Queen of her castle, and my true love.    It is my job to make her feel loved, appreciated, and secure,physically, emotionally, and mentally.
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:25 pm PDT

excuse me

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Dr Phil, 

  

What I saw on your show was a husband trying to help his wife become more organized.  

  

It looked like to me, that she was not organized. And she wouldn't take helpful criticism. If she is a slob,  doesn't know how to cook and doesn't know how to do things, she should listen. He didn't sound like he was putting her down, just showing her how to do things.  

  

He was correct in showing her how to load the dishwasher. If you put dirty dishes in, you get dirty dishes out, if you don't have an upgraded dishwasher. 

  

The other woman that was on, the stay at home mom, was completely correct also. Her job is to take care of the house and kids. His job is to go to work and take care of his family! Yes, when he comes home he can help out. And weekends are for working together, but  during the week, they both have their jobs. 

  

If a couple both work then everything else should be divided down the middle!! Kids , housework, cooking, etc. 


More divorces are because the woman wants the husband to be at home more, but then complains there isn't enough money for her to go shopping!!  Make up your mind!! 

What in god's green earth are you talking about? That isn't criticism that is hateful, harrassing, selfish behaviors, In my eyes Mr. know it all husband and think you can do it better than her, why did you marry her? You obviously didn't need her if you can do everything yourself. Did you ever realize cleaning a home, doing errands, paying bills and raising three children is more than an 8 hour day that someone is out getting paid for it is 24 hours a day 7 days a week nonstop. Where are the mothers breaks? If she is depressed just like myself I have no motivation to get up off my butt and do the organization with my five children get real geez if I can't do anything right then as I tell my husband you better do it then since I  mess everything up. I know how exactly she feels inside no self esteem, no energy, full of hurt and full of hate all at the same time with a little bit of what am I doing here if  I don't make anyone happy. Just because he is out making money doesn't make him any better than her. Look at all the money they would pay daycare and that is only 12 hours at the most out of the day take that times 2 then by 7 and then start paying your wife for the childcare she provides and then i bet your house would be organized to your specifications because she could higher someone to do it. I JUST OPENED MY EYES TO ALL THIS CONTROL CRAP AND DEMAND CRAP GET OFF IT MEN YOUR HURTING US IS REALLY HURTING ONLY YOURSELVES TOO. Just looking at all these comments after watching the show I realize what an idiot I really am. BECAUSE I LET THIS HAPPEN TO MYSELF WELL NOT NO MORE
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:28 pm PDT

I WANT A CHANCE TO REPLY

Obviously, the amount of messages coming are making i difficult to reply to each one individually.  But I at least wanted a chance to get some of the important issues addressed. 

  

First of all, with the whole changing your shirt thing....my husband could care less if he came home and found me in an evening gown or a pair of boxers.  I try very hard to organize my day so that I have time before he gets home to freshen up so that he can come home to a nice, clean wife.  However, my point is that if that's your husband's thing, then what's the big deal?  You want the mortgage paid, he wants to see you in something clean.  Not a big deal. 

  

Feminism....which I am very well versed on is something that keeps coming up.  The original feminism movement brought on by Lucretia Mott and others, was very warrnated.  My problem is with radical feminism that promotes the idea that "women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle".  If you choose to get married to a man, then you cannot treat him like that or he will fail as a husband. 

  

As far as working outside the home, I have done it and it doesn't work - at least not fully.  You are stretched for time, you have to make priorities that don't always benefit your family, and it's difficult to find any time to be with your husband.  If you have to work, that's a different story, but I have many techniques to help budget your finances so you can make it work. 

  

I had a great time on the show, and I think I expressed myself as well as I could in a short amount of time.  

  

Thanks, 


Diana 

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:28 pm PDT

HUH

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I read this response and could have laughed...if it wasn't so absurd!  I am a full time working mother who is married, has a beautiful home and also goes to school full time.  My husband has his own construction business, so he works hard and alot of late hours in the summer.  I absolutely disagree that you can't be a working mom and wife and succeed.  If you have a supportive and helpful husband you can.  Granted I don't have a lot of free time...but that is my choice.  I am trying to finish my schooling to be a teacher and we can't have the lifestyle we have and want with one income.  My children are 5 and 3 years old and are not neglected.  They are completely happy and healthy children.  I happen to be one of the lucky ones because I have the help of a very supportive family.  My mother-in-law takes care of my son while we are working.  I work at the school my daughter attends.  So to this woman and all the others who think you can't be a %100 mom and wife while working...you have so much to learn.

I think you got the wrong quote here. I never said anything like what you are saying.  

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:33 pm PDT

Oh my....

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Looks like you have some issues within inside your self,  

  

Do you go to your husbands work and help him during the day? I think not. If it wasn't for your husband you would be taking care of your kids and working because I'm sure your the type of woman that would keep your kids from you husband for the sole purpose of receiving child support. So maybe you should get off your butt and stop watching TV and surfing the NET all day.  

  

If you are such a caring and loving person you would be able to look past all of this and accept your position in life. Remember your the Mommy, NOT the Daddy. So put on a nice dress and cook some muffins for your kids and you husband, and have them ready for him the next time he walks in the door. 

  

Bill Jinkens 

Gee Bill, what rock did you climb out from under today? There are plenty of women that are very capable of not only showing up at her husband's work, but could be his"boss". And by the way, how did you see this show and reply? On your butt watching Dr Phil and surfing the NET all day?
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:33 pm PDT

Clone Yourself

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  As a 39 yr old man, married for 18 yrs, I have found that a wife is first and foremost my partner for life. My wife is my best friend, one who I can laugh with, a shoulder to cry on, the mother to my girls, Queen of her castle, and my true love.    It is my job to make her feel loved, appreciated, and secure,physically, emotionally, and mentally.
Clone yourself 39-year-old married man!  Clone yourself right now!!!  Let other women enjoy a sane relationship.  All joking aside, that's how it's supposed to go, I think.  Even though there aren't any "supposed to's" since we're all different.
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:34 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

she understands that no home can function properly without the woman staying at home. 

 

No home?  NO home?  Have you been to my home to see how it functions?  You know what gets me?  It's that many of the "Christians" who quote the bible are using it to support their choice to stay at home, often going so far as to say that women "should" do this because the Bible says so.  What about the decisions we make through our everyday prayer?  I know in my heart that the Lord gave me the heart of a physician.  He gave me the compassion, the talent, the gift.  I choose to nurture that.  Do I need to work for the money?  Absolutely not.  But I feel that NOT working is NOT using the gifts he gave me.  My husband looks at me like I'm crazy when I ask him if he wants me to throw his things in the laundry with mine.  He never considered the fact that he can't do it himself.  They are his dirty clothes.   And I have two pre-teen sons that do their own laundry.  They get their own breakfast.  They feel good about themselves that they can do it.  They're proud of their strong, intelligent mom.  They know that if their mom needs to be away that their dad has everything under control.   Now who can tell me that I haven't given some young woman a GREAT husband in the future by raising boys like that????  None of my kids or my husband feel like I have put them second by not being at home all the time fulfilling their every need.  The world is a better place with my kids in it, and I will stand up for any woman who looks into her heart and does what fulfills her, not what others say she needs to do.  We need to discover what our purpose is on this earth.  If it's to stay at home and wash your husband's feet, I don't care.  And if it's to give our gifts to the world through a career, you shouldn't care.  The point is, find a husband who wants the same thing, and the rest will follow. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:37 pm PDT

Is this for real?

I saw the show today and must say that like Robin, I could hardly contain myself!!!  Then I started reading all the messages and one thing hit me.....everyone is talking about the role of a wife.  How about the role of "a human being"?  Men and women ARE EQUAL, no matter what history has dictated or anyone likes to believe.  They each have a job - his is almost always outside the home and sometimes hers is too.  With stay-at-home moms their job is THE CHILDREN.  Isn't that enough work to equal what the man does at his office (getting alone time during the commute AND lunch).  Before children, the woman didn't stay home just to take care of the house, she went to work just like her husband and hopefully they shared all the household responsibilities when they came home.  Why does that change if you decide to change careers and raise your kids instead?   

  

 If you pay someone to take care of the children, they don't also do the laundry, clean the house and cook dinner do they?  That is a separate job costing more money.  Why do we all assume that taking care of children ALL DAY is not a full-time job??? 

  

When the work day is through it itsBOTH OF THEIR responsibility to get everyone fed, cleaned up and put to bed, laundry folded, lawn mowed etc....When the children go to school full-time, then things can be renegotiated. 

  

I don't think being a good wife is the issue here......it's being a good person, true to yourself and doing the best you can. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:37 pm PDT

encourage freedom too

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Fabulous!  I strongly agree with the woman who stays home and feels it is her "job" to take care of the children, herself and her husband.  I am a single mother of 3 teenagers and have been for almost 9 years.  I have always felt that the problem with our children these days is the lack of mother staying at home.  A stay home mother is vital to the future of our society.  The home should be kept clean, meals should be made in a timely manner, and a wife should look forward to  itimacy  with her husband at the end of the day.  However, with moms working by the time they get home they are too tired to cook, clean and especially spend quality time with their husband.  One parent needs to be home when the kids arrive from school, that is a time of the day when teenagers can really get into alot of trouble. It is difficult to be patient with kids and their homework not to mention the extra activities that they may be involved in during the week.  After some time that wears on the relationship.  I would give anything to meet a man who felt the same way I did.  Although my children are almost grown now, whew....... I would encourage any young woman to strive for the more traditional roles of husband and wife. 
 That may be all good and well for you but some woman are better suited for the work force. Traditional doesn't always make it right. Everybody is different and have different needs.
Freedom to own your own business or be the bread winner in the family has the same sense of satisfaction has raising a child from birth up.
You can't say that what is right for you is right for everyone.

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:38 pm PDT

you made my point

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diana seems very content with her situation and it seems like there is mutual respect between she and her husband.  If she wants to change her shirt, apply make up etc.. more power to her.  As long as she doesn't push her values on me.   A woman should be appreciated for who she is, not if she is the perfect wife etc..  sometimes we are just too busy to look perfect etc..  keep up the good work Diana, just appreciate the rest of us for our choices too!
EXACTLY what i have been saying and what she did not say--Diana said 'you cannot be a working wife and adequately take care of your children and husband'.  Her point was that stay at home mothers who work hard at pleasing their husbands will have happier healthier marriages.......  Maybe if your husband makes enough money that you can stay home worry-free, maybe if your husband values and loves you and appreciates EVERYTHING that you do for him and vice versa HOWEVER this is most definately not the average woman's situation--if you need stats i can easily give them to you.  Most women are struggling with all of their roles and people like Diana judging other mothers' 'choice' to work makes matter much worse--they (we, as it inculdes me) often perceive ourselves to be failures as workers/mothers/wives/daughters because we cannot live up to everyones expectations of us...mostly societies view of what constitutes good mothering.  Diana's situation is great for Diana --yeah for her!! HOWEVER Diana should keep her advice on good wifery to herself unless she understands the socioeconomic status, race, ethnicity, familial situation of all of the women who she casts judgement upon. 
 
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