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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:34:18 pm
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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 5:40 pm PDT

Techniques to Budget Finances?

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Obviously, the amount of messages coming are making i difficult to reply to each one individually.  But I at least wanted a chance to get some of the important issues addressed. 

  

First of all, with the whole changing your shirt thing....my husband could care less if he came home and found me in an evening gown or a pair of boxers.  I try very hard to organize my day so that I have time before he gets home to freshen up so that he can come home to a nice, clean wife.  However, my point is that if that's your husband's thing, then what's the big deal?  You want the mortgage paid, he wants to see you in something clean.  Not a big deal. 

  

Feminism....which I am very well versed on is something that keeps coming up.  The original feminism movement brought on by Lucretia Mott and others, was very warrnated.  My problem is with radical feminism that promotes the idea that "women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle".  If you choose to get married to a man, then you cannot treat him like that or he will fail as a husband. 

  

As far as working outside the home, I have done it and it doesn't work - at least not fully.  You are stretched for time, you have to make priorities that don't always benefit your family, and it's difficult to find any time to be with your husband.  If you have to work, that's a different story, but I have many techniques to help budget your finances so you can make it work. 

  

I had a great time on the show, and I think I expressed myself as well as I could in a short amount of time.  

  

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Diana 

That is very interesting.  We want more on this subject.  What are your techniques?  I think some say a woman doesn't need a man & some don't.  I don't need anyone but God.  Everyone else in my life is a gift, but I don't need any one person in particular.  I enjoy my husband very much.  And he pays the mortgage.  And if my shirt is clean is inconsequential to him, unless we go out.  I can tell when I take care of myself he seems happier with me in general.  But this is true in every area of life.  Scientifically speaking, studies show attractive humans get treated better than unattractive ones.  Same goes for him.  When he takes better care of his appearance, I think he gets a little bit better treatment from me.  Not deliberately, but just as human nature goes, I guess.
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:41 pm PDT

Wifestyles

I think it is such a wonderful day in age to be a wife and or mother. I stay at home full time but work three days a month around my husbands school schedule. Going from marriage to mother is an adjustment. You can get in a rut feeling unfulfilled at times and days can get old around the house if you let it. Working full time can get old too. (the grass is always greener) It seems like now a days there is a lot of pressure to have a career and be a mom. It can be done! I personally believe one can have it all. I plan on going back to school when the time is right for our family, and having a career I love when the kids are out of the house. In the mean time, I try to give my husband exactly what the lady on the show suggests, food and love. I also try to keep up with myself, I brush my hair and try not to be frumpy. I am entitled to frumpy days and do have them though!! Kids deserve a stable family life. In the end, having a mom at home is so healthy and wonderful if it is possible. I support everyone in regards to individual situations!
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:42 pm PDT

Wake up

Don't loose yourself in your marriage. Remember that you count too. You have to register on the radar screen along with your husband and family.   You are not just chief cook and bottle washer.!  You are the lynch pin and a VIP in your family unit.  Always remember that "Self Matters".  Reinhabit your life and balance out these extremes. I believe your marriage and family will benefit in the long run too. Remember you teach people how to treat you.
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:42 pm PDT

Re: Grant and Kelly

What is Grant thinking?  Did he think he was marrying a Barbie doll that he could do anything he wanted with Kelly? Or did he marry a human being?  I think he has been watching too many TV programs or living in dream world. He hasn't a clue as to what real love is and what it means to have a deep relationship. He is way too shallow in his idea of how his wife should be. He is not accepting her as she IS as a person. He should have married a string puppet instead of a living breathing vital human being as Kelly. She deserves better than him. Seriously. Anytime somebody has to try to make another person be something that they aren't has little depth of character themselves. Grow up Grant and get real. Life is not about remaking what the Good Lord has made but rather in accepting it and embracing it as it is. If you can't accept Kelly as she is (warts and all) then why did you marry her in the first place?  How would you like to be picked apart and told that every little thing you did at your job wasn't good enough for the boss and somebody was hovering over you to make sure you did everything their way? How would you feel?  It is demeaning, disrespecful, insulting and says more about your own insecurities than about your wife. Please get some counceling before you lose Kelly if you have any  feelings for her at all. And for the sake of your kids. And Kelly, you are a beautiful woman and a loving mom. You don't have anything to be ashamed of. I raised 6 kids and my house wasn't organized or neat. But you know what? They all turned out to be wonderful adults. No clean and organized house is worth sacrificing the building of character and wellbeing of those kids who will be the next generation of adults who will marry and have a family of their own. You are their best teacher in all the world. The dust and "things" will be there long after those kids are grown and gone and when all you will have then is the memories of their hugs and laughter and tears. Your investment should be in building the best kids for the future as you can. There are enough idiots out there that haven't a clue as to how to treat others with dignity and respect.  Don't let your kids be among them. Guide, mentor, come alongside, encourage,  celebrate their successes and praise them for their efforts. Let your criticism be sparing because they will remember it longer than you can imagine. Criticism sears deep into the soul and is harder to erase than being forgiven for being less than perfect.
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:43 pm PDT

thank you

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I just finished watching the show, and I am speachless.  My wife and I are newly married, and we could not be happier.  We also have a new born, so my wife is at home all day.  I tell her to do whatever she wants, I do not care, as long as she's happy, I'm happy.  I work out of town, so I get home late, and leave early.  In the morn, if she happens to be up, she'll make my lunch and coffee, awsome, very greatful.  If she's sleeping from being up with our daughter, then I let he sleep, and I make lunch and breakfast, big deal.  When I get home, dinner is always ready, and if it isn't, I will offer to make it, but she usually makes it because she can cook, I can't, ha ha.  Anyways, we share the house work, she mostly does it, but on the weekends or my days off, I try my best to do it all.  We love eachother so very much, and I say, if we have love and respect for one another, then everything will just "flow" so to speak.  I am a young guy, only 20, but I am old and smart enough to realize that "Grant" is a loser.  He needs some direction.  I cannot beleive that the test they did, with him being the "hose wife" did not give him a kick in the pants and notice the stress and headache that the wife goes through trying to make Grant happy.  Yea, he works all day at one job, she works all day at several.  Anyways, this is only my opinion and life experience, or lack there of.  Woman deserve respect.  I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for woman/wife.  I have seen woman beatn', thrown around, talked down upon, and when I see stuff like that, I wish I could hit the husband/boyfriend, and get away with it.  Woman are equal, they are human beings, they have feelings, and should be treated like they truly are a queen.  They pushed out the babies that made us, they carry the baby for 9 months, and are in pain.  Us men make the money, but thats not all it should be.  We should be there for them, supporting them 24/7.  Anyways, my two cents.  Hope you all agree! 

  

Can we get you cloned? I might reconsider staying single if we can ;-) 

Thank you, you give me hope that there are still decent, caring fellows out there. 

Congrats to you and your lucky wife, enjoy your little one they grow up way too fast 

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:45 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

I felt so sad for Kelly today, and her face NEVER changed from looking completely down-trodden throughout the entire show. I kept thinking you were going to give her (them?) some advice as to what they should do to change the situation, but came away feeling that you had them on the show, discussed what their problems are, but never really gave them an outline on how to change things. Or gave them any real help, which totally surprised me since you usually do such a good job at that! 

  

Come on, Dr. Phil, let's have them back and see what's happening and work your magic! I know you can do it.....I've seen it before! 

  

Regards, 

Thurma

 

I agree, I usually feel good by the end of the show that Dr. Phil has given some sound advice and/  or has offered help. I did not understand what help was given for them today. I belive that they could work through this issue and  end up in a happy fulfilling relationship. So I'm with you, what is the next step for them?
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:45 pm PDT

You go girl!

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What in god's green earth are you talking about? That isn't criticism that is hateful, harrassing, selfish behaviors, In my eyes Mr. know it all husband and think you can do it better than her, why did you marry her? You obviously didn't need her if you can do everything yourself. Did you ever realize cleaning a home, doing errands, paying bills and raising three children is more than an 8 hour day that someone is out getting paid for it is 24 hours a day 7 days a week nonstop. Where are the mothers breaks? If she is depressed just like myself I have no motivation to get up off my butt and do the organization with my five children get real geez if I can't do anything right then as I tell my husband you better do it then since I  mess everything up. I know how exactly she feels inside no self esteem, no energy, full of hurt and full of hate all at the same time with a little bit of what am I doing here if  I don't make anyone happy. Just because he is out making money doesn't make him any better than her. Look at all the money they would pay daycare and that is only 12 hours at the most out of the day take that times 2 then by 7 and then start paying your wife for the childcare she provides and then i bet your house would be organized to your specifications because she could higher someone to do it. I JUST OPENED MY EYES TO ALL THIS CONTROL CRAP AND DEMAND CRAP GET OFF IT MEN YOUR HURTING US IS REALLY HURTING ONLY YOURSELVES TOO. Just looking at all these comments after watching the show I realize what an idiot I really am. BECAUSE I LET THIS HAPPEN TO MYSELF WELL NOT NO MORE
 You get out there and make it right! That's what I love about Dr.Phil.. He wakes you up and makes you smell the coffee.
Good for you!!!
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:45 pm PDT

APPLAUDE!

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EXACTLY what i have been saying and what she did not say--Diana said 'you cannot be a working wife and adequately take care of your children and husband'.  Her point was that stay at home mothers who work hard at pleasing their husbands will have happier healthier marriages.......  Maybe if your husband makes enough money that you can stay home worry-free, maybe if your husband values and loves you and appreciates EVERYTHING that you do for him and vice versa HOWEVER this is most definately not the average woman's situation--if you need stats i can easily give them to you.  Most women are struggling with all of their roles and people like Diana judging other mothers' 'choice' to work makes matter much worse--they (we, as it inculdes me) often perceive ourselves to be failures as workers/mothers/wives/daughters because we cannot live up to everyones expectations of us...mostly societies view of what constitutes good mothering.  Diana's situation is great for Diana --yeah for her!! HOWEVER Diana should keep her advice on good wifery to herself unless she understands the socioeconomic status, race, ethnicity, familial situation of all of the women who she casts judgement upon. 
 You hit it right on the head...
yeah... right on! Take that!
 
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October 10, 2005, 5:46 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I saw the clip of this show and I'm sure its going to upset me to watch. 

Women, just because men treated us on the whole like slaves for centuries does not mean it is what God intended. 

IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man.  It doesn't make sense to me though, I know I wasn't made from man and that empowers me to realize I'm here to make up my own mind about how to let people (men) treat me.    

BTW, my husband is a loving caring individual, and an excellent father.  He does as much of the house cleaning and he listens to me.    

Obviously this person believes that all Christian husbands are domineering and all wives are submissive. I have been married 19 years and we have mutual respect for each other. How do you 

know what "God intended" if you don't believe that woman was created from a man's rib? I believe marriage is a partnership with someone you love and respect.  And some people don't have respect for their spouse. Maybe he needs a maid and mistress, instead of a wife. That way he will be the boss he wants to be. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 5:49 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I grew up with a mother that lived the life Diana protrayed on the show. I can not speak for Diana, but I can perhaps offer the thoughts of a child watching another woman in her life. My mother was an extremely intelligent woman who attended a prestigious university on full scholarship and became a successful nursing supervisor in one of the most renowned psychiatric hospitals in America. Her efforts as a head nurse put my father through his interships and residencies in surgery and allowed them to begin a family and keep us fed.  

  

Once my father started his own practice, my parents made the choice together that my mom stop working and stay home with the kids. By now there were 3 youngsters in elementary school. My mother becam the epitome of the stepford wife! Our home was perfect, my mother volunteered, there were dinner parties and family vacations, and a home-cooked family dinner was served EVERY night  when my Dad got home.  My mother even made our clothes in her "spare" time.  

  

In retrospect - that is when things began to sour. By the time I was in second grade my mother was clinically depressed and spent nearly my entire third grade year hospitalized. This was the beginning of a 20 year cycle of mental illness.  

  

The most relevant  observation  my family and I made regarding the "wifestyles" discussion is that the seminal incident every time my mother broke down and spiraled into her depression was a day in which one of her kids experienced a "growing up" milestone. Worst examples were each child's graduation (elementary and high school), the girl's coming-out parties, my brother's first date - etc.  

  

As a family, we came to realize - my mother had made her chidren her life and the more independent we became, the less of a person she felt she was.  

  

As a young woman, I made the chioce that I had to be a complete me in order for me to be the best example for my children. I was very upfront with my husband from the beginning and we have been together 16 years. We have two incredible daughters and I am the main bread-winner for our family while my husband works from home as a sales rep.  We share house-keeping and child-rearing equally. We have had changed in balance throughout the years but because we respect and love eachother, we have remained faithful and strong.  

  

Everyone on this board needs to be aware that there is not a young girl growing up today that will not at some point need to make a living for herself or support her family. The reality is that 57% of all mariages in America fail.  Young women need to go into marriage without  feeling that being a wife will complete them, instead that it will enhance their life. Young men should do the same. 

  

I believe strongly that my daughters need to see a good example of a woman who is a great wife and mother and also has a very successful career. It can be done! I am a complete career-woman and a complete mother. 

I may not be a working mom(for pay that is) but my children have the best example of womanhood given to them and the example comes from me. I am a well educated and I and my husband love and respect each other and we honor one anothers dreams and values. I do on accasion take on line courses as I already have a degee. And I have no problem doing odd jobs which includes baby sitting, cleaning and filing and whatever else one might need to be done. My children will learn how a man/husband is to treat a woman/wife as well as the opposite. They are learning to love and respect themselves and are encouraged to be and to do whatever they want in life, They are being taught responsibility and accountable for their actions and the fact that if they want to be happy and succeed in life they need to work hard and go after what they want, not to allow any one to belittle or to disrespect them for they are worth a whole lot more then that. How a child grows up and views life as being married or single, basically will depend on the atmosphere, teachings of the home. I was single til I was 29 years of age and believe me, I have self worth and I am as complete as any woman can be. I have a life outside of my children as I have a supportive husband, as I said, on accasions I do volunteer work,(my children go with me) I go to my mom's bible study, I teach at church, I sing on the praise team, I go out with friends once in awhile and I do scrapbooking and my favorite, dates with my hubby, we spend time together as a family and I maintain a home and join my daughter in her preschool activities, I choose to be a stay at home mom and it is the best for my family and I am losing out on nothing and my children are growing and are happy and secure. I want my children to experience life to it's fullest and their daddy and I are/will be theri biggest boosters and encouragers and whether they choose to be a stay at home mom or a working mom will be up to them but I pray that they will find their one and only that will love, cherish and honor them for who they are(and vice versa) for when ever this happens, there are happy marriages. Those marriages ending up in divorce is becasue of lack of respect and committment and now days, it is too bad that most marriages are not based on those things and that one seems to think they can dominate the other but that is not what my children are learning thankfully they have two good role models and they are from within their home. I feel that I am the model that they need for I have always strived to be the best that I could possibly be no matter my role in life and I believe what I am teaching my children is the way that my Lord would have me to, I am not perfect as I have made mistakes and my children know it, We talk about our mistakes together and we pray together as a family asking for God's guidance, wisdom and desire for our lives, I am definetly the role model for my children.
 
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