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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 10, 2005, 10:36 pm PDT

Grant and Kelly

I watched todays show and was quite shocked that a man could truely think in those terms about his wife.  My husband is not the "perfect" husband nor am I the "perfect" wife, but that's exactly what a marriage is about. Accepting the imperfections of our spouse and and ourselves and knowing that the other person isn't going to fault you for them.  I can honestly say, my husband and I have a solid marriage in that very regard.  We all want a little more than we might get, but  it's not realistic to put those kinds of pressures on your spouse.  As long as each person in the relationship feels the other person is respecting and accepting  then there's no reason why the marriage shouldn't be happy.  The bottom line is RESPECT!!  I know my husband respects me and he knows I respect him.  I think that's exactly why we have a happy marriage.  Neither one of us is expecting perfection from the other one, and we know in the long run that in the grand scheme of things, is it really going to make a difference 5 yrs from now that the lawn wasn't mowed every Sunday or the dishes weren't done every night??  No it's not.  What is going to matter is if you did your best to raise your kids to be the best they can be, and that your relationship with your spouse and your kids is a happy and healthy one.  Just my thoughts on this episode...... Happy in Oregon, Marquis
 
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October 10, 2005, 10:40 pm PDT

Nice Thought

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I agree 100% with GOOD GRIEF!  When our husbands respect us and treat us like we deserve to be treated, we do wonderful things for them simply because we want to.  We should have been taught to do it, and most were probably not, but it feels complete.  Respect him, he will respect you!
While this whole "treat him well and he'll treat you well" is a great idea, we all know that it's not always realistic. I also think that it keeps us in the mindset of having expectations for our husbands, rather than having expectations for ourselves (i.e. what we expect from ourselves.) Anyone really struggling in a relationship like this needs to look at how they are enabling that behavior. No one can treat you in way that you don't allow / accept. I think that women put up with husbands like this because they don't expect more from themselves.
 
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October 10, 2005, 10:44 pm PDT

here's the scripture to back it up

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   I am in no way trying to start an arguement with anyone.  I was just a little bothered by one of your remarks.  "IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man."  I do firmly believe this because it is in the BIBLE.  And I wholeheartedly believe the bible.  With that said, I am in no way a doormat to my husband.  I choose to do all the laundry and cook all the meals but that is because I stay home with our kids.  It's the least I can do for him.  But when he gets home if I haven't felt well or had a rough day and dinner isn't made there is definitely no fights.  He is more than willing to come home and make dinner or at least help with making dinner.  He understands that just because I am a "Stay at home MOM" doesn't mean I sit around all day and watch soaps or the DR Phil show.  I actually record the show and watch it later in the night while I am in bed.  And just another note...Woman actually means.."from man" so yes dear you were made from man.  God created Eve WITH Adam's rib.  If you weren't made from man what were you made from??  Just a question.  I am happy that you are married to a caring individual and that he is willing to help.  But just because I believe what you don't doesn't mean that My husband isn't willing to help.  He is more than willing.  We share all the household cleaning equally.  Yes during the week I keep the house neat and clutter free, but come the weekend we are BOTH cleaning the house.  I wish you the best of luck in your marriage and GOD BLESS 

     I agree!  Far too often, Christians have been given a bad name.  We are stereotyped as believing 'God says women should be doormats', but that's not true.  Granted, there are a few backslidden churches that do say that (I know of a particularly bad one in my town), but the only reason they say that is because they never took the time to read what God really has to say about women. 

     First off, let's look at Deborah in Judges 4.  Deborah came from Eve, who came from Adam's rib, and she was a great Judge of Israel.  She had a husband named Lappidoth, but he was a good guy; the Bible never says anything about him trying to overthrow his wife's leadership because he felt threatened.  The Bible says Deborah "was a prophet who had become a judge in Israel.  She would hold court under the Palm of Deborah, which stood between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephriam, and the Israelites came to her to settle their disputes."  In a culture where male supremacy and polygyny was common, God went against culture and put a woman in the highest leadership position in that country.  Yes, woman came from Adam's rib, but that doesn't diminish the value of women.  Just because a few churches claim 'women are doormats' doesn't mean God sees women that way. 

     Secondly, let me adress the quote you quoted: 

"IF you honestly believe everything you read, for instance that woman was actually made from Adam's rib, then maybe you don't have a problem being told what to do by your man." 

     Deborah wasn't the only woman in the Bible who did great things for God.  Some lesser-known Bible women were Huldah (II Kings 22:14-20), Phoebe (Romans 16:1), Anna (Luke 2:25-38), Priscilla (Acts 18:24-26), Miriam (Exodus 15:20), and Philip's daughters (Acts 21:9).  Some were married, some were single, and in some cases the Bible doesn't mention their marital status.  The point is, these women were teachers and leaders because God wanted them to be.  They weren't waiting around "being told what to do by [their men]."  They had their own lives to live; they had God-given purposes.  I seriously doubt their husbands were trying to turn them into slaves.  Just because we're Jesus freaks doesn't mean we let men walk all over us. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:48 pm PDT

Dear Roseanna..... Getting organized

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My reaction to watching Grant and Kelly was,  Grant was not understood for what he was trying to say.  He obviously loves kelly and was not trying to be vicious and critical, but was wanting to improve the domestic situation.  Being an engineer, his nature is  to have things neat and orderly -- which I have to agree, makes life daily life much more enjoyable.  It looks like kelly could use some helpful tips to less clutter and more space, which makes everyday housekeeping easier and the mind feel more at ease.  Of course you should scrape the dishes before putting them in the washer;  of course you can make good, simple dinners with just a little planning;  maybe grant could consider hiring a housecleaner once a month for the big stuff,  just to give kelly a little help, if things aren't up to his standard.  And maybe Kelly could try to get more of a schedule to complete tasks, or a babysitter while she goes shopping.  He was not trying to personally attack kelly,  but  just felt there was room for improvement as far as the manner in which she did her chores.  He is just more precise and particular about the way things should be done.  Of course it's nice to wake up to an empty dishwasher and clean kitchen, Kelly just has to learn how to manage her time better and ask for help when she can't get everything done.  It takes two to run a household.  I thought his biggest complaint was he wanted the house more organized; a place for everything and everything in its place.  I think Kelly shouldn't take it as a personal insult when he wants to help organize the tupperware drawer, or clean the pantry - let him do it!  I always tell my husband, if he can do a better job, then go ahead and do it.  It might even make her life easier.  And you do have to take time, just a little effort, five minutes before your husband gets home to put your hair in a poneytail or put on a clean top.  A little effort goes a long way.  And I'm sorry, Kelly, but you do look like you shop with your mother -- you're too young for that.  Go shop with a girlfriend next time.  There is enough time in the day, if you plan your day right.  I'm a working mother so I have to throw a load of clothes in the washer before I leave in the morning, then throw them in the dryer before I go to bed at night, so I don't have to spend my weekends doing laundry.  There is no reason to leave them in there for days.  Kelly, try to get some professional domestic housecleaning tips to make it  more enjoyable. It's not that hard, you just need a system.  Make a big meatloaf on Sunday dinner so you can have leftovers on Monday.  Find some easy recepies.  Cooking together can actually be fun.  You can throw a chuck roast in the crockpot with a bottle of salsa on top and bake potatoes and have a delicious dinner.  That's one of my favorites, and easy.  You can put a whole chicken in the oven rubbed with spices and bake it slowly all day with some steamed rice, and another delicious dinner.  I'll be happy to give you some simple recipies, if you would like.  And make the kids help and get involved.  You'd be surprised how much they can do and how much they will live up to your expectations to help keep the house clean.  My one-year-old helps me throw his dirty clothes in the laundry.  They can help set the table.  They can put their dishes on the sink.  Every little bit helps.  Wow, I wrote much more than I intended to.  I hope my suggestions are helpful. 

Good luck, Roseanna 

I really thought that by your comments you understood what our issues revolve around. 

I do like things very tidy. I think that organization facilitates tranquility. 

  

Regards, 

Grant 

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:49 pm PDT

wifestyles

Wow, what a question.  

After watching the show today I thought I'd better think about it for a while. Well, it's keeping me awake! After much thought, I have my answer. There's is NO perfect wife. Just like there is no perfect husband, no perfect child, no perfect world.  

We all have perceptions on what or who is perfect. My idea....well I might think it is perfect but someone will disagree or find a flaw in my idea, so therefore, not perfect.  

I am on my third (and last!) marriage and no matter what happened in the first 2, I was far from perfect and so were my husbands. It takes two to tango, so I think a "perfect" wife would be someone who could and would work side by side with her husband to make things work, to make things better. It (marriage) will never be perfect. Someone or something will always screw something up somehow and you just have to work through it and get back on the right track.  

I really think that the more we think someone or something is perfect, the more we screw things up for ourselves. Relationships, jobs, families, friendships can all be ruined if someone or something doesn't live up to our expectations. We need to take things in stride and learn to deal, then move on.  

To me, that is the only way that you can survive this crazy world. Because.........it's not perfect. 

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:50 pm PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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Holy cowww....that kelly's husband(whatever his name was) was a real piece of work, no wonder robin mcgraw was up all night when she read this case...kelly...girl he ain't good enough for you..get out when it's not too late....it's better to be happy alone than to be misrable with someone else 

I disagree with that last sentence. It's not always better to be happy alone than miserable with someone else. I believe that a certain amount of dispair and misery in a marriage can be a good thing. That is, if you can eventually work it out. My husband and i mentioned divorce just about every other day for the first 4 years of our marriage and now, approaching year 8, we are doing beautifully. Niether of us would have become the individuals or couple that we are now without that struggle. Sometimes you just have to carry that burden until you get the lesson. It's how you benefit personally, as an individual (not as a wife) that makes the hard times worth every second. It pays off in the end. The whole "get out when it's not too late" quotation gives the entirely wrong message about marriage. It's suppose to suck! It's suppose to be hard and you're suppose to struggle. Anything worth having has to be gained through struggle (that is hardwork, honoring your committments when your forgot why you did) It's this flipent disregard to the committment of marriage that gives us one of the highest divorce rates in THE WORLD!!! Then again, i"m just someone who values integrity, and contentment over this too widely used and underdefined word "happy"
 
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October 10, 2005, 10:52 pm PDT

Let him do it

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My reaction to watching Grant and Kelly was,  Grant was not understood for what he was trying to say.  He obviously loves kelly and was not trying to be vicious and critical, but was wanting to improve the domestic situation.  Being an engineer, his nature is  to have things neat and orderly -- which I have to agree, makes life daily life much more enjoyable.  It looks like kelly could use some helpful tips to less clutter and more space, which makes everyday housekeeping easier and the mind feel more at ease.  Of course you should scrape the dishes before putting them in the washer;  of course you can make good, simple dinners with just a little planning;  maybe grant could consider hiring a housecleaner once a month for the big stuff,  just to give kelly a little help, if things aren't up to his standard.  And maybe Kelly could try to get more of a schedule to complete tasks, or a babysitter while she goes shopping.  He was not trying to personally attack kelly,  but  just felt there was room for improvement as far as the manner in which she did her chores.  He is just more precise and particular about the way things should be done.  Of course it's nice to wake up to an empty dishwasher and clean kitchen, Kelly just has to learn how to manage her time better and ask for help when she can't get everything done.  It takes two to run a household.  I thought his biggest complaint was he wanted the house more organized; a place for everything and everything in its place.  I think Kelly shouldn't take it as a personal insult when he wants to help organize the tupperware drawer, or clean the pantry - let him do it!  I always tell my husband, if he can do a better job, then go ahead and do it.  It might even make her life easier.  And you do have to take time, just a little effort, five minutes before your husband gets home to put your hair in a poneytail or put on a clean top.  A little effort goes a long way.  And I'm sorry, Kelly, but you do look like you shop with your mother -- you're too young for that.  Go shop with a girlfriend next time.  There is enough time in the day, if you plan your day right.  I'm a working mother so I have to throw a load of clothes in the washer before I leave in the morning, then throw them in the dryer before I go to bed at night, so I don't have to spend my weekends doing laundry.  There is no reason to leave them in there for days.  Kelly, try to get some professional domestic housecleaning tips to make it  more enjoyable. It's not that hard, you just need a system.  Make a big meatloaf on Sunday dinner so you can have leftovers on Monday.  Find some easy recepies.  Cooking together can actually be fun.  You can throw a chuck roast in the crockpot with a bottle of salsa on top and bake potatoes and have a delicious dinner.  That's one of my favorites, and easy.  You can put a whole chicken in the oven rubbed with spices and bake it slowly all day with some steamed rice, and another delicious dinner.  I'll be happy to give you some simple recipies, if you would like.  And make the kids help and get involved.  You'd be surprised how much they can do and how much they will live up to your expectations to help keep the house clean.  My one-year-old helps me throw his dirty clothes in the laundry.  They can help set the table.  They can put their dishes on the sink.  Every little bit helps.  Wow, I wrote much more than I intended to.  I hope my suggestions are helpful. 

Good luck, Roseanna 

ya know, Roseanna, I don't ever remember him saying he would "help her do those things"  all I heard was "she could improve in these areas".   I don't think Grant will ever be satisfied with any improvement she makes. I think personally, he will always find something to criticize her for, it's in his nature....   Marquis
 
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October 10, 2005, 10:53 pm PDT

reality check

 The gal that was on who says she "does what her husband wants" and can't see how women have families AND work----she needed to be in check just a little in her assumptions.  I was actually disappointed to see Dr. Phil move on to the next guest w/o addressing her somewhat narrow view.  She kept sharing how she keeps her house perfect and it's a fulltime job with kids and hubby-care and meals etc., and I have no doubt that it is a ton of work and that she loves doing it.  My problem was her tone of scorn for women who DO work AND have children (ahem, see 70+ percent of America!!!!).  Most non-single parent households have TWO working adults because... drumroll please... they HAVE TO financially to survive.  This woman made it sound like, "gee, why don't all women stay home with their families?  I mean, it's the right and superior thing to do so why torture your kids/ husband by working?" .......HELLO?? Reality check!! Not everyone on this earth has the LUXURY of being able to afford to stay home with the kids.  Many parents would love this option but for many it just simply isn't practical, feasible or possible.   All I wanted was for her to be reminded that it's not all about being a good housewife but that some wives/ moms have to work, like to work, and gosh-darn it  do a fabulous job balancing work, household, family, themselves and marital romance... whew!  Get over yourself lady, there's more than one "right" way to run a family!!
 
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October 10, 2005, 10:53 pm PDT

Did you watch the show?

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Dr Phil you really did a great job on the show today but Robin cut through the mustard and told that guy what he needed to hear.  I am so glad your feminine side is so clear!! You make a great team... 

  

Thank you... I saw myself many years ago when I saw the show today.  Thank God I got out of that terrible relationship.  IT IS NOT WORTH LOSING YOURSELF FOR ANYONE!!!  

I haven't ever tried to convey this image that I own my wife, and that she is supposed to bow to my desires. Our lives are quite the contrary actually. We have disagreements over everything - and thankfully most of our disagreements are fairly good natured. I wanted to bring some issues to Dr. Phil that I wasn't making progress with. In a round about way, I think I have come across some answers. 

  

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October 10, 2005, 10:58 pm PDT

Request for help

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Thank you for your response. 

I am not so concerned about not living my dreams - you are right; sometime dreams are 

a little more than within our grasp. I am a very functional person - if something doesn't 

work then it needs to be fixed. The aspect in my relationship with my wife that is exasperating right now is that I see her tired, worn down, and exhausted from cleaning up after our three kids all day. I have done it, not just for TV either. I get fed up with the chaos that has become our home sometimes. I think toys for the kids are wonderful - I have some toys myself. I think it is too much when there isn't a space available in the house to put the toys away when it is time to clean up.  Dirty dishes - they happen almost as often as you eat. I actually like doing the dishes. The frustration for me comes when there isn't a place to set the clean ones down after washing them. I know a lot of people will take issue with what I am saying with this, again. I wanted to meet with someone that would actually help Kelly and I with some ideas for organizing our house to make it run more smoothly. I wish that Diana had gotten more time to speak. I am looking for responses from people that post with clever ideas that they have used to help the marital woes. 

If you consider how overwhelming it is to stand in your kitchen and think of reorganizing it with the kids running around and every day chores beckoning - you just don't know where to start!  Is it even worth it to clean one drawer or cupboard when you know it is all you could hope to accomplish in day?  The thought is completely overwhelming, so you just walk away and don't even put yourself through the heartache.   

  

Apply this same picture to your relationship...the exasperation you are feeling is exactly what your wife is feeling too!  Step one is to know that there is no easy answer, no quick fix.  Step two is to realize that just as life changes so must we reevaluate our expectations.  What you could accomplish as a couple without kids is not comparable to what you can accomplish with kids - the mathematics of time are against you.  Reevaluate!  If organization or cleanliness is a point of contention for you and your wife but time is not available to fix this to either of your satisfaction then hire some help.  Hire a babysitter to watch the kids while the two of you attack the toy room or the kitchen one day and then enjoy a movie or dinner out as a celebration.  Or hire a housekeeper to do the heavy chores like bathrooms and floors so your wife can have guilt free play time with the kids... 

  

 
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