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(Original Airdate: 10/10/05) What makes a good wife? Is it cooking, cleaning, raising the kids and having great sex? Dr. Phil says too few couples understand what it means to be a "Mrs." His first guest, Grant, says his wife, Kelly, is in desperate need of "wife lessons" when it comes to her cooking, cleaning and the way she dresses. Kelly says trying to be the perfect wife while raising three kids is overwhelming, and she fears she'll never be good enough. See what happens when she puts her hubby to the "wife test." Will he be able to do it all? Then, Diana says a good wife must serve her man instead of trying to balance a career and a family. Plus, a woman who thinks "wife" is a four-letter word! Join the discussion.

 

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October 11, 2005, 9:07 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

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I am 60 years old.  I was a stay at home mom until I was 45.  I was lucky financially we could do that, and both my husband and I thought that for me to stay home was the right thing to do.  We did without fancy things that others had, but to be with the children was the best for them.   It is not easy to be a stay at home mom if you do it right.  It sounds like Kelly was doing everything she could do to be a good mother and good wife.  I would resent the way her husband treated her, and possibly consider separation until he got some counseling. 

  

However, when you are young and considering whether to stay at home or not - you probably aren't considering your retirement.  As a stay at home mom you work as hard as anyone in the work place, but the government treats you as a deadbeat!   When my youngest was in high school, I got a job because I felt that society looked at me as lazy.  Since I had not been in the workforce before and because of my age, it was a low paying job.  Four years later, I became serious depressed and was put on disability.  Do you know how much Social Security I get - $200 and then you take away part B and there is virtually nothing.  You are punished by the government for being a stay at home mom.  Even if I was able to work until I was 66, my Social Security would not even be enough to buy the groceries.  I don't know how things can change, but I feel there is more drug usage and violence because there is no one home to take care of the children.  But, today as a stay at home mom you are treated as an outcast by society and the government.  I applaud Kelly for staying home! 

I have to say that I disagree with you!  I think the best reward of all is the fact that all six of my children are happy and healthy, and have grown up with a mom at home that cared enough to "sacrifice" for them!  I'm planning on going back to school next year when my youngest is in school full time.  I realize that I don't have anything put away for my retirement (my hubby has a retirement plan, but you know those social security things you get in the mail?....I haven't paid enough in to get anything out! haha) so I am going to do what I want to do, and work at a job that I've looked forward to for the last 21 years of being a mom.  I am never looking for a reward from the government.  My reward comes from seeing my children happy, well adjusted, and independent in their thinking.  I love being a mom, and I'm grateful that my husband was willing to make sacrifices to keep me home with them.  It's been difficult at times financially to keep me home (six kids and one income...) but he was willing to do it for all of us. 
 
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October 11, 2005, 9:10 am PDT

A familiar chord

I am the new Primary President. This is a church calling where I am in charge of th ewhole shibang. It takes a lot of time and I worry about spending too much time doing that job and not enough at home. I worry about how it will affect my husband and son and if they will be mad, frustrated, or resent me for it. Ok, not so worried about what my son will feel. He's only three, but I do worry about the time not spent with him. I worry more about how my husband will feel about the time not spent at home working on the house, (I'm a stay-at-home Mom) because I can always take my son with me during the day to meetings and such. In 4 years of marriage on the 19th, that is pretty much the only thing we fight and argue about, the household chores, I mean.

I have a hard time balancing between being a good mom and wife  and an independent women. Yesterdays Dr. Phil show about wifestyles just made me reaffirm that fact. I choose to be a stay-at-home-mom because I know it is the best thing for my son and any future children we may have, but I sort of have a feminist view about the household chores. I don't feel as if I should wait on my family hand and foot. Not that I am asked to by any means. I just feel like I'm not the only one who dirties dishes or sleeps in that bed or wears clothes or uses that bathroom or lives in this house, so why should I have to do it all and all by myself. My son isn't quite old enough for bigger chores although he does help pick up his toys and put his clothes in the laundry, so there is not musch help there. That leaves my husband. He feels as though he is gone to work everyday and makes the money for our family. That's his job. So to ask for a clean house when he come home everyday is not too much to ask.  

Listening to the second guest  on the show yesterday makes me feel as though I'm being a little selfish. My husband is, afterall, going out and working, the least I can do is keep a clean house, right?  I don't  know. What do you think ? 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:11 am PDT

a familiar chord.

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Just read what he's been posting here.  He doesn't care that his wife is empty and hurting.  All he wants is an organized kitchen.  That and Pamela Anderson.
I am the new Primary President. That is the children's organization at church and I'm in charge of the whole shibang. It takes a lot of time and I worry about spending too much time doing that job and not enough at home. I worry about how it will affect my husband and son and if they will be mad, frustrated, or resent me for it. Ok, not so worried about what my son will feel. He's only three, but I do worry about the time not spent with him. I worry more about how my husband will feel about the time not spent at home working on the house, (I'm a stay-at-home Mom) because I can always take my son with me during the day to meetings and such. In 4 years of marriage on the 19th, that is pretty much the only thing we fight and argue about, the household chores, I mean.

I have a hard time balancing between being a good mom and wife  and an independent women. Yesterdays Dr. Phil show about wifestyles just made me reaffirm that fact. I choose to be a stay-at-home-mom because I know it is the best thing for my son and any future children we may have, but I sort of have a feminist view about the household chores. I don't feel as if I should wait on my family hand and foot. Not that I am asked to by any means. I just feel like I'm not the only one who dirties dishes or sleeps in that bed or wears clothes or uses that bathroom or lives in this house, so why should I have to do it all and all by myself. My son isn't quite old enough for bigger chores although he does help pick up his toys and put his clothes in the laundry, so there is not musch help there. That leaves my husband. He feels as though he is gone to work everyday and makes the money for our family. That's his job. So to ask for a clean house when he come home everyday is not too much to ask.  

Listening to the second guest  on the show yesterday makes me feel as though I'm being a little selfish. My husband is, afterall, going out and working, the least I can do is keep a clean house, right?  I don't  know. What do you think ? 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:13 am PDT

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I have to watch your shows the day after the fact and I watched your wifestyles show on Oct 11. I totally agree with the second lady with the exception of not being able to do all that and hold down employment. I have always been a lady in the livingroom, a chef in the kitchen and a love goddess in the bedroom. In other words, I had six kids, husband, a clean house, and a fulltime job or college. I never had a problem! As a matter of fact I even write a book about it. (Unpublished) Maybe one day you will consider reading it. I would love to hear your opinion about it. It is about how to be a lady. I call it, "In Pursuit Of Hapiness-A Complete Manual On How To Be A Woman."
 

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October 11, 2005, 9:16 am PDT

You have the winning ticket!

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What makes a good wife?  Well, the day we were married our pastor gave us some advice during the sermon of our wedding ceremony.  He said that marriage is sometimes sacrifice.  And you need to be a willing spirit.  You need to be willing to "die a little death" for each other every once in awhile.  I took that advice to heart, and so did my husband.  And so far, so good. 

  

His mother drives me crazy.  She can't run her own household effectively as a Stay At Home Wife, while I manage to maintain a career AND keep our house in order.  But, when she visits I'll sit there w/ a smile on my face & just listen to her yap about what I "should" do.  Yup, I die that little death for my husband. 

  

I love my mom, dearly.  But she's a bit high maintenance.  And when she visits, for a week at a time, my husband dies a little death for me.  Wheel of Fortune will be on instead of Sports Center.  A day trip will center around the local craft fairs, instead of the sporting goods stores.  And he takes it all in stride...because he loves me. 

  

I do not allow housework to become a battle of the sexes.  I'm a better cook than him and I enjoy cooking more.  Plain and simple.  I'm also a better speed cleaner.  I'm an organized planner type, whereas my husband is more "fly by the seat of his pants."  We acknowledge our strengths and weakness and split our responsibilities accordingly.  I manage our finances, I keep track of our social calendar, I clean and I cook.  I do these things for him because it makes ME happy and I'm better at it.  He does the laundry 'cause he's better at that. 

  

Am I good wife?  I tend to think so.  I'm not perfect.  I make mistakes.  But I wake up every morning with one goal in mind...to make my husband's day a good one.  He, in turn, is happy.  And he shows his gratitude by waking up every day wanting to make MY DAY a good one.  Someday I may become a stay at home mom and I'm fine with that.  Someday my husband may become a stay at home dad (while I'm off working) and he's fine with that too.  We don't bring gender wars into our household.  We do what we can for the good of the team (ie, our marriage) and we die a little death for each other every once in awhile. 

  

Its as simple as that, really.  And we both win in the long run. 

I totally relate to your way of looking at life.  When your household and parenting is about what works and makes the individuals in your life happy, you can't lose.  And I understand the issue about biting your tongue *grin*.  Having in laws as house guests for a week at a time is a test, alright! I'm impressed that you have passed it. 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:16 am PDT

Wifestyles

While watching the show, my heart went out to Kelly.  You could see the hurt look on her face finding out her husband thinks she needs to improve herself. She has three small children, who she must take up much of her day.   I have so much I would like to say but can't put it into words. But here are a few comments 

Kelly - Keep telling yourself you are a wonderful person, you do the best you can. Remember your children come first housework can wait.  Your children are young for such a short time,  it seems like once they start school they grow so fast. 

Grant - Love your wife for who she is, don't try to make her into something she is not. If she wanted to dress up sexy and wash your truck or mow the lawn she would do it.  You seemed a little frustrated when you had to take care of the children & the house for a day. Try doing it 24/7. 

And finally Diana 

Diana - I glad you can stay home and take care of your children and home. But I do find your are on the anal side. Who plans meals a year in advance. Do you actually stick to these menu's?  Diana you need to relax a little enjoy life. It seems all you do is take care of your children, clean and cook. Maybe you need to take a day off take your kids to the Park, or to a zoo.  

  

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:22 am PDT

Not totally

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Just to defend "that gal" (her name is Diana).  I don't believe she was scorning anyone.  I believe the point she was making was that many women choose to work even though they don't need to.  Instead of staying home and taking care of their families they go into the work force when their husbands are bring home plenty of bacon to support them.  I agree with everything she said.  If women CHOOSE to stay home to take care of their household it is their job to do just that.  I stay home and I keep our house cleaned, laundry done, meals complete, kids bathed and dressed, bill payer, etc.  My husband works out of the home 10-12 hours a day and he is also getting his masters degree to be in the ministry.  He brings home the paychecks, and takes care of the yard.  Now, don't get me wrong ... yes my husband lifts a finger to help out when I need him to with the baby or with a load of laundry, but I don't expect him to.  He just does it.  He has playtime every evening with our children before they go to sleep.  I have my personal time each Sunday after church in the afternoon to go shopping, lunch with friends, to get my nails done, whatever, but 6 days a week my job is taking care of him and my 3 year old and 5 month old, and I love it.  My husband and I respect each other and after almost 6 years together we are still very much in a blissful state of our marriage.  Like I said I don't believe she was condoning women who have to work and don't have a choice, but if we do have a choice our job should be to be at home with our children and be a wife to our husbands. 

-Lauren 

That's good in some families and disaster in others.  It depends on the mom & how she's wired.  What talents and personality traits she has & on him.  He could stay home & she could work, too.  Some women are better moms when they get to get out and use their gifts that are not connected to their wife & mom role.  It's not for them a way of doing a worse job as a mom, but a better one.  Some women need the outside little something -- career or whatever to stay upbeat and healthy.
 
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October 11, 2005, 9:24 am PDT

I'm there

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That's good in some families and disaster in others.  It depends on the mom & how she's wired.  What talents and personality traits she has & on him.  He could stay home & she could work, too.  Some women are better moms when they get to get out and use their gifts that are not connected to their wife & mom role.  It's not for them a way of doing a worse job as a mom, but a better one.  Some women need the outside little something -- career or whatever to stay upbeat and healthy.
I think that's me you are talking about. My college degree is in music and I teach a few piano and voice lessons during the week. I love it!!!  It is exilirating and refreshing to me. My husband always wonders why I want to go out almost immediately after he gets home. It's cause I've been home almost all day and with my 3 year all day and I want some alone and down time. Is that selfish?
 
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October 11, 2005, 9:27 am PDT

Dear 19 & Picking a Career Over Motherhood

19 is too young to figure all this out.  In time, after you get your degree and you kiss from frogs, you will find the price that is not scarey in the least to get married to.  You will know it's time & feel like you can handle anything he might have to say & vice versa.  Personal growth pre-solves a lot of the problems you see on t.v. talkshows.  Two strong, confident, sensitive, people-savvy mates make an awesome marriage.  But getting to where both of you are like that is hard work requiring years of experience and mistakes.   

 

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I'm only 19 but my boyfriend and I have been together for 2 1/2 years, we have spoken of engagement after I graduate from college in April. After watching the man on the show belittle his wife,  it made me think, I have an education and dreams of a career, marriage seems to be more scary of a topic then exciting these days. I'm not prepared to have a spotless house and cook a "A+" dinner each night. I'm not sure that means I can't have a happy relationship but the people on the show and the relationships I see in everyday life make me not want to get married. I want to be taken care of as much as I give. I want to have a job, and I do not wish to be a robot that preforms tasks for my man. So Can I be a wife and a career woman? I don't know but if I have to decide between the two I'll be picking the career." 

 
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October 11, 2005, 9:29 am PDT

I agree with you

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Just to defend "that gal" (her name is Diana).  I don't believe she was scorning anyone.  I believe the point she was making was that many women choose to work even though they don't need to.  Instead of staying home and taking care of their families they go into the work force when their husbands are bring home plenty of bacon to support them.  I agree with everything she said.  If women CHOOSE to stay home to take care of their household it is their job to do just that.  I stay home and I keep our house cleaned, laundry done, meals complete, kids bathed and dressed, bill payer, etc.  My husband works out of the home 10-12 hours a day and he is also getting his masters degree to be in the ministry.  He brings home the paychecks, and takes care of the yard.  Now, don't get me wrong ... yes my husband lifts a finger to help out when I need him to with the baby or with a load of laundry, but I don't expect him to.  He just does it.  He has playtime every evening with our children before they go to sleep.  I have my personal time each Sunday after church in the afternoon to go shopping, lunch with friends, to get my nails done, whatever, but 6 days a week my job is taking care of him and my 3 year old and 5 month old, and I love it.  My husband and I respect each other and after almost 6 years together we are still very much in a blissful state of our marriage.  Like I said I don't believe she was condoning women who have to work and don't have a choice, but if we do have a choice our job should be to be at home with our children and be a wife to our husbands. 

-Lauren 

I agree with you about Diana. I think she had great  things to say and I believe them but I still have a hard time with everything. Read my post "struck a familiar chord.
 
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