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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:40:09 pm
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Sending kids away to college should be a cause for celebration, but for some parents it's a cause for worry and sadness. Dr. Phil and Robin share their journey as they move their younger son, Jordan, away to college. Next, Becky is so obsessed with keeping a close watch on her 18-year-old daughter, Molly, she doesn't let her stay out past 11:00, is constantly calling her, and has even considered packing her bags and going to college with her! Can Dr. Phil help Becky learn ways to cope without a child in the house? Plus, nine female college roommates drink excessively, fight constantly, and their neighbors call the police on them at least twice a month!  Talk about the show here.

 

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October 11, 2005, 5:53 pm PDT

Note to Becky

This is such a wonderful time in your daughter's life.  Don't hold her back.  You raised her right, now you have to trust her.  Get a hobby or find a new friend to go places with.  re-discover your husband. 

And things could be worse.  My son is half-way around the world, with people aiming car-bombs at him.  

 
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October 11, 2005, 6:01 pm PDT

Those 5 girls were an embarrassment!

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This message is in regards to the 5 university girls who are obviously selfish and irresponsible.  As a fourth year university student myself, I am embarrassed to be associated with this kind of behavior.  All too often students are stereotyped as being messy, dirty, drinkers, partiers, and sexually promiscuous.....and to add to this stereotype, this behavior is passed off as a normal and necessary part of university.  It's supposed to be our last chance for "fun".  Well, I for one do not feel that being drunk four nights a week and bringing a parade of guys home to sleep with is a part of university.  I am at university to become an active, intelligent member of society.  I am training to become a professional.  The expansion of my mind due to intellectual stimulation is what I find "fun" about university life.  I'm tired of feeling like a weirdo because I am a responsible person who is immersed in her studies.  I long for a fulfilling career, a home, and someday a family.  I don't believe that living like a pig and consuming an excessive amount of alcohol is the last bit of fun I will have in my life, so I better get it out of my system now. The best fun in my life is yet to come. Besides, I have enough to do between making the dean's list, working, taking care of my home, and volunteering in my community....all of which I find much more fulfilling than waking up hung over. 

As for the girls on todays show, I think that they should be embarrassed! I am appalled that I have matured so much faster then they have.  There is no excuse for not cleaning your bathroom for 3 or 4 months.  That's just lazy and disgusting, don't try to pass it off as poor communication.  Get out of your drunken haze and GROW UP!!! Take some of your free time and do something for your community.  Take all that money wasted on booze and save for your future, or support a local charity.
 I couldn't agree with you more! I can't tell you how appalled I was to watch the show, and see those 5 girls talking about drinking  like it was nothing! I'm sorry, but they make the rest of us hard working college students look bad! When I first saw the preview, I thought perhaps those girls were maybe in their first year. I just about fell over when they said they were in their fourth year and would be graduating soon! It's really unfortunate that too many people associate their behaviour as being what every other university student does. I don't know about them, but I have to pay for my education, and I'm not about to piss around with alcohol and crap like that when university is such a huge expense for me. Like you said there, they really need to grow up. When they hit the real world, it's going to be a huge slap in the face for them. Maybe that's what they need.
 
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October 11, 2005, 6:12 pm PDT

Words of wisdom

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About Rats: I am a 55 year old retired therapist. At age 40 I wanted to adopt a rodent. I researched information about hamsters, gerbils, mice and rats. Rats won. I adopted Petra as a young domesticated rat.  Dr. Phil, Rats are Great Pets. They are intelligent and very friendly. I had Petra for almost 4 years, when she died of breast cancer. I also share and have shared my life with cats and dogs. The loss of Petra was as distressing as loosing any of my other pets. Rats have great personalities and are extremely clean animals and do not have the typical rodent smell like the other rodents mentioned.  

I kept Petra in a large puppy cage and only let her out when totally supervised, due to owning several cats at the same time. So I totally understand the girls and their rat pet. It's a cute rat.  

  

I would like to share with the college girls on the show that many of us have enjoyed the freedoms of being on our own at college. They repeated that they wanted to get as much out of these college experiences as they could. I wish Dr. Phil would have stressed that they could have a wonderful experience, with great memories, without all the alcohol use. I'm not saying they should totally abstain, but they are definitely over-doing it. Every day of their life, even after graduation, could be filled with incredible memory producing experiences. We know a lot more about alcohol use and abuse these days than when I was in college. A habit starts by setting up a pattern of use. They certainly don't want to go there. There is such a thing as alcohol poisoning, and they may not realize that even if they did not drink as much as they usually do at one party, that the alcohol from the previous night could still be in their system. A major problem is that you don't know you've over-done it until you've over-done it. Over-doing it with alcohol could be a death sentence. That would certainly impede the ability to create fun and memorable experiences and memories.  Alcohol poisoning HAS resulted in death for many college students wanting to get the full experience of the party.  Several days or a week of drinking can damage organs. Girls, you do not want to create a pattern in your life of not being able to have a good time unless you are mentally altered. In reality that is creating an experience you may wish you could forget. Alcohol and drug addiction is not a pretty picture. You don't want to need alcohol. Using it regularly is creating just that in your life.  

  

When I was in college, I had a girlfriend buddy, who became a really  good friend and we'd support each other in our resisting intoxicating substances. Everyone around us had partying with alcohol a priority. Align yourself with one or two of your friends with the same goals of breaking the pattern you have already developed. It will work. My buddy and I are still friends since the late 1960s. We went on to create and remember many extraordinary experiences in our lives. Many of our other college friends got lost in addiction and some aren't around to create any experiences at all because of their alcohol and drug use.   

  

Enjoy ALL of your life. Just please don't create a situation where you can't deal with a sober reality. Reality has a lot going for it. Addiction is a reality that will sneak up on you, and may follow you long after you desire to leave it behind.  

I really appreciated you comments concerning alcohol and the college experience. You make some very valid points that I wish more students would consider. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be very popular to NOT drink to excess in college. 

  

I went to a "party" school in the late 80s and early 90s because it had the best journalism school in my state. I transferred from a community college. It was the difference between night and day. At the community college, we all went to class and then left to go to jobs. At the university, many of my classmates made drinking their hobby. Many didn't have jobs and drove around in BMWs and Mercedes. I got bored with just my classes and got an internship. 

  

On the bus, many a conversation I overheard started with, "You won't believe how drunk I got last night." I can remember going over to a guy's house with some friends and watching my roommate's boyfriend drink shots until he got violently ill. It was a total turn off to me. I don't like the taste of alcohol beyond a glass of wine with dinner so as you can imagine, I didn't go to many parties in college. I had friends but we didn't drink. From an economical standpoint, I couldn't afford it either! I wanted to remember my college experience, not lose it in a haze of beer. 

  

It's easy to think that hard drinking is only a phase that young people go through, but as you point out, it can become a dangerous habit that can ruin your life. There is wisdom in moderation. And those that don't care to partake should not be made to feel like outcasts, either.  

  

As for the rat, I'm not sure I'll ever be ready to get one but I'm glad Petra made you so happy.  

 
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October 11, 2005, 7:16 pm PDT

College drinking???!!!

First I'm not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. 

  

But, good grief folks, why are we putting up with all the drinking that is going on with college kids? Most kids are underage when they first go to college and very few are of legal age when they graduate. So where in the hell are they getting all the booze? The girls on the show were very immature and to think they were drinking all the time was frightening. Don't they have some rules against this and where are the dorm "moms"? Colleges need to get "tough" on underage drinking but probably won't until a kid dies and the parents get "big dollars" after they sue. 

  

Not all college kids are drinking their lives away as one of my grand-daughters moved out of a shared house because she needed to study and they wanted to party all of the time. She is cramming and will have an associate decree in 14 months so no time for parting. Her room mate now doesn't party either so everything is fine for her now. But then, she is one of the smart ones. 

  

  

  

 
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October 11, 2005, 7:29 pm PDT

TRANSFERANCE

I was appalled by Becky.  Why would you think it is healthy for your daughter to transfer your issues to your daughter.  You are instilling a fear in your daughter!  I hope you realize that!  Your behavior is very controlling!!  You would not want your daughter to be involved in a controlling relationship, so why allow yourself to be that to her?! 

Don't get me wrong.  I know as a parent - after 18 years, it must be hard to see them go.  However, that is what growing up is all about.  We all had to do it.  That is the great thing about being a parent- being able to see your work manifest itself. 

Obviously, Becky has some other issues going on with her.  It is not normal to have your child be your everything.  What is lacking in your life?  You need to figure that out and FAST!  

Let your daughter be free! 

 
October 11, 2005, 7:46 pm PDT

Wow...

Okay, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from...  "Oh my, college girls gone wild!  What has the world come to???"  But is it really any different from any other decade?  There are always people who drink, and those who don't.  And, just a disclaimer, the legal drinking age in Nova Scotia is 19, and there is a bar on the Acadia campus owned by the student union.  Alcohol is legal in residences, providing that you are of age and don't carry it opened in the hallways (unless it is a beer in a beer-cozy).  Most students, however, live off campus, so it's really easy to get alcohol.  Personally, I don't drink that much - I grew up in AA meetings with my mom, and the smell of hard liquor makes me gag.  But I know Tara personally, and Lil' Rat is awesome!  Besides, she is a very intelligent girl who does all her work and is amazing at class presentations (Go Wolbachia!).  Cleaning the bathroom can easily get away from people, even if they don't drink...  Give these girls a little slack, here!  They are getting the best their university esperience - they are all intelligent, hard working students, but they also socialize a lot, with and without alcohol.  Just because you think they shouldn't be able to do that, doesn't mean they can't, and I don't think their "alcohol problem" is as bad as it was played up to be...  Besides, I'll just force 'em to go to AA!  I think it meets on Wednesday up here...
 

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October 11, 2005, 8:05 pm PDT

Preparing them

One of the choices my husband and I made was to move to a small city (less than 30,000) to raise our children.  There is a college here, but our children are both most likely to attend university. Because I know they will be out on their own at a young age, I have planned for them to practice making decisions now. 

  

I have annually increased their allowances and with the increased money, I have handed over the responsibility for an aspect of their expenses.  This year, my 12 year old daughter has been responsible for purchasing her own entertainment, gifts for others, clothing and toileties. I added toileties this year.  Her decision making has matured over the years.  When she does go away, I think I will be able to trust her to manage her financial life well. 

  

In the next 6 years, I will give her more choices about her activities and her social life.  This is the scary part, but I don't want her to taste freedom for the first time when she is away.  if we make mistakes, hopefully she will make them here. 

  

My son is 5 years behind her, but he is already showing that he can understand that his choices have consequences. 

 
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October 11, 2005, 8:17 pm PDT

Looking forward to

 Let me explain! We went to a friend's for dinner the other night and the wife told us that they knew of a couple that made "coming of age" a big deal for the kids. They literally sold their bed! The difference is, the kids looked forward to it and had been prepared and saving for it their entire lives, they were as thrilled as the parents! Now here I am, getting ready to send my oldest "away to college as a Junior/transfer student" and we are making the same big deal about it, the same way that we have made all the big steps in her life a big deal! Since I am the one struggling, just she and I are going to "preview weekend" and staying at a B&B and driving around the town and spending the time just the two of us. NO MEN ALLOWED (atleast for right now). We have done college in stages, so this is just the last stage. This is the hardest as it means she will be gone, but she is a strong woman with good values and ready to take on the challenges that only we can "guide" her through now and hope that she will follow. We have trained her up in the way that she should go, now she needs to spread her wings and fly! We know that she'll do amazing things!
I still have the younger one that at this point is spending his Freshman year at home, but is contemplating going away also, but we'll see...I have the rest of the senior year to get ready for that!
 
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October 11, 2005, 8:17 pm PDT

Off To College

Dear Dr. Phil and Robin, I want to thank you for this show. We took our oldest son (first of four) to college in August and I have been the biggest cry baby since June when he graduated High School. Though my separation anxiety is getting better, it was very hard for me the first few weeks. He goes to school about 3 hours away and comes home to do his laundry every two weeks. We are a very close family and it has been an adjustment for us to not have him at the dinner table. But we know this is the best opportunity we can give him to have a life that is fitting for a young man.  We are happy and proud to say that he is studying history and religion, we may have a minister in the family in the future. Thanks again and keep up the great shows.  

  

  

 
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October 11, 2005, 8:21 pm PDT

A birds eye view

I am a Resident Manager at a rental property in a college town. Each year we get about 150 new residents straight from the dorms. I love my job and I love working with these young adults, but there are certainly some challanges. 

  

Usually within the first week of move-in, (after the parents have moved them in, made their beds, bought their groceries and quizzed the management about their childs safety) these kids are off and running on a party that doesn't end till they go home for summer. These residents are only 18 or barely 19 years old. They have liquor cabinets that rival the corner bar and I have no idea where they are buying it. They have "gatherings" that grow into raging parties.They quickly become intoxicated and loud, and when we have to shut their party down, they get in their cars and drive to the next hot spot. The town has a free cab service that is designed to keep them from drinking and driving, but it is mostly used as a shuttle between one party and another.  

  

What these party animals do to the apartments is another story. We often see liquor stains in the carpets, holes in walls and doors, filth from lack of routine cleaning, cigarette burns in countertops and carpets, dents in refrigerator doors (from fists), and the list goes on. What consfuses me is that the parents who are so involved prior to move in become strangely absent afterwards. They show up in the beginning to make sure their kid's apartment is clean and safe, but are seldom around to see the damage that was done when it comes time to move out. These are usually the one's that accuse the manager of stealing their security deposit.  

  

I'm not saying that all our residents are this way, actually it's probably less than 10 percent. But there's enough of them to make a good showing and a lot of noise. I just don't understand why the college officials arent doing anything to stop the problem? 

  

  

 
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