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(Original Air Date: 10/12/05) They won’t let you walk down the street alone.  They call your house five times a day, screen your calls, and monitor your every move. It’s not the FBI; it’s mothers! When 14-year-old Ashlee was on the show nearly two years ago, she said her mother, Teresa, was embarrassing and strict, and she wanted it to stop. Now she’s back and says her mom still won’t allow her to have any freedom. See the assignment Dr. Phil gave them that brought Teresa to tears. Plus, meet a 43-year old woman who says her mother is so overprotective, she calls the police if she comes home late. Can her mom learn how to let go? Share your thoughts.

 

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October 12, 2005, 8:06 pm PDT

10/12 Overprotective Moms

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I just can't believe that the older woman of the fourty year old woman is that protective.  I just think she is going to the extreme.  I am only 28 years old.  I have a big house and I try my best to keep it as clean as I possibly can considering that I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old.  I stay at home and do homeschooling.  I also babysit a 3 year old M-F nine hours a day and have been since she was 3 months old.  My husband works 10 hours a day five somestimes seven days a week and I do not hear him complaining on how I keep the house.  I think I would literally go off on my mom if she walked in my house and started talking about how I keep my house.  I don't walk in her house and talk about how she keeps her.  I also know that this country is getting worse ever day as far as crime is concerned and I may change my mind when my kids were older.  But I want my kids to be as indepentant as I was when I was between 16 and 18 years old.  That is how I came to be the person that I am today.  We all have to make choices in our lives and I may not agree with the choices my girls make, but they have to learn from their mistakes, and I know they will make plenty.  But I love my girls and so does their father and I will be protective in some ways, but I deffently am not going to walk in there house an critize the way her toilet looks.  I will also try and be the best parent that I can be and I will be a mother first and a friend second.  So I hope Ashlee and her mom can get past the issues they have with the overprotectiveness.  And as far as the older lady, I think she needs to slack off before she ruins her relationship with her daughter altogether, because I don't think by her being so protective of her daughter is not setting a good example for her grandkids.
On the show, the older lady at first did not see anything wrong w/ what she was doing until Dr. Phil did some explaining as to what some of the problem could be, and then she was open to seeing that there was a problem. It was sad that the 43 year old woman and her mother went through that for so long, but its gotta stop somewhere and that's why they came on the show. I think that they will be able to get things figured out because they were both willing to work on things. It would be nice to see an update later. As for the younger girl and her mother, I think the mom might need to let go a little bit, but I don't blame the mom for not letting her kid ride the bus alone or even w/ a friend. My mom did not let me do that when I was 14, but what's wrong w/ the mom driving the kids to the mall and picking them up?
 
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October 12, 2005, 8:21 pm PDT

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That is not where an American flag is to be used. People who use the fllag should always display it properly, not as a sofa cover or a garment. Respect the flag, don,t just wave it!
 
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October 12, 2005, 8:30 pm PDT

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It is easy for people that do not have children to give advise.  I am trying the best that I can do with Ashlee.  She is allowed to do some things, but not things that I know could possibly put her in harms way.  We have 2 child molesters in  our neighborhoods.  I do not think of my kids as possessions, but as gifts from God and I am going to make sure that my children are not going to be just another child that ends up hurt or worse murdered by some strange pervert.  So until you have become a parent, then please don't try and give advise.
 Theresa, I just wanted to say that I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention with my advice. I was simply giving my advice based on the wonderful, loving relationship I have with my mother. And I would not change what I have with her for the world. You have a very bright, young woman as a daughter. As a matter of fact, she reminded me of myself when I was her age. Although I see a very loving relationship the two of you have, I can also see the frustration she has with your overprotectiveness. Everyone could. She was almost on the verge of tears! I know you are trying to do your best with Ashlee, and I applaud you coming onto the show. That was very brave of you. But think about what it will be like when she gets older. It seems to me like she would rebel against you, and I'm most certain you wouldn't want that. I understand you are trying to protect her from the bad in this world, like most parents would. However, by being overprotective, Ashlee is not getting the chance to experience life, and see the beautiful side of it. Wouldn't you want to have a great relationship with her when she gets older? Wouldn't it be great for the two of you to sit down, and talk about things that girls do? Like boys, and life, and clothes, things like that? Now, from what I've seen (and please understand that the one problem with the show is that it's only for a short amount of time that we get a glimpse into your life) you might not have that with her. She might start hiding things from you, and not telling you things that you, as a parent, needs to know. I know you say that she's a good child, and she really does seem like one, but sometimes, even good kids do things that'll shock their parents. I know you live by 2 child molesters, and I'm sorry for that, but like some other people have suggested, have you ever thought about moving? Or perhaps joining a committee to get rid of them in your neighbourhood? Have you taught Ashlee what to do if she ever gets into a sticky situation? I was quite pleased when Dr. Phil suggested getting her into a self defence class. I think all people, especially women, should take one. It's a wonderful idea. Anyways, like I said, I'm sorry if I offended you. I know you are trying to do your best with Ashlee, and you seem like a very loving mother who just wants to protect her children. But Ashlee is her own individual with a mind of her own, and she just wants to spread out her wings. And you can help her achieve that. I wish you and her all the best, and I will keep you in my thoughts. I hope Dr. Phil has you on again, so we can see the progress you're making. Good luck. :D

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October 12, 2005, 8:38 pm PDT

Long term damage

When I was growing up my mother was as controlling and overly concerned as Ashlee's mother. She continued this throughout all of my childhood and teen years, during my tries at going away to college and finally throughout my marriage up until her death in late 1999. The end results were that when she died I was SO relieved to be done with her that I have yet to miss her for more than an idealized moment of thinking - "Mom would have enjoyed this." then reality kicks in and reminds me what she would have been actually been like and I remember how bad it was just like it was yesterday.  

  

I was unable to have friends, go places, see things, participate in any social events, belong to any groups, go away to college, or hold a job because of her constant interference. She made life impossible. I wanted more than anything to study history and become a college history professor or an archeologist. I was terrific at history and at school but because of her inabillity to let go and let me pursue my goals without making my life impossible the two times I attempted to go away to college she ruined it for me by calling almost hourly, coming to see me constantly, checking up on me and never giving me a chance to breathe - much less study so I quit in frustration and  I ended up working in a business owned by a family friend who understood my mother's situation (whom I later married because he was the only man who was able to love me and be patient with my mother).  

  

Thank God that my dear patient, sweet, understanding, funny husband kept me from going completely around the bend (and on at least one occasion kept me from going over to her house and strangling her) and stood by me, helping me see how ill she was, helping me to care for her and do my duty as her only child, and helping me to keep a sense of perspective through sixteen years of our marriage before she died. Because of her neurotic behavior I also didn't dare have a child because I could only see her sickness getting worse once I added a baby or two into the transaction. 

  

Long story short - because of her illness/selfishness I gave up my dreams of an education, a career, and children and lived a narrow, tired, resentful life until she died and saddest of all - once she died I missed her not one bit! If you want to insure that your children feel the way I do - continue down the road of overprotection and control and you too can be unmourned and unmissed after you die!  

  

If you want your child/children to become all they are capable of becoming, if you want them to fulfill their dreams and potential don't trap them in this sick cycle of your fear and fright and need to control. If instead what you want is angry, resentful, children who feel that you crushed their dreams and who will be SO relieved the day you die than by all means - go ahead and continue down your same path - only don't be surprised when you lose their love and when they are finally done with you that they hold very few if any memories that aren't tainted with anger and resentment over what you caused to happen in their lives as a result of YOUR problems. 

 
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October 12, 2005, 9:20 pm PDT

Finally!

Finally Dr. Phil has a show on this topic of parental overprotectivness. I grew up with a single mother and a younger brother. My parents divorced when I was only 4. My brother was only a baby. I remember not being allowed to make other friends, but I did at school, and my mother would grill me about them. I felt I grew up naive in a way because of the limited social contact. In my preteens I went to an private catholic school, which I hated. The kids there were worse than public schook kids, and my ties were broken with my old school friends. In my teens I was never taught about money, and when my classmates had checking accounts I thought I was missing out on something. I asked my mom about it and she just laughed saying she was not a bank and a single mom. She never really taught me about money, my grandmother did. My mother was never really good on financial matters. She has a champagne taste and a beer budget. She grew up in a mansion but when she married my dad, he didn't have alot of money. My mom felt she had to interview all my friends later, and especially my dates. After awhile, guys stopped calling because my mom intimidated them. I guess she thought she had to make up for not having a dad around. My poor brother felt suffocated by all women in the family. He started to become real rebellious in his early teens. My mom couldn't focus on the both of us, so after awhile I could get away with going out and being with my friends, and going on dates without her knowing it. She is such a worry wort. I wish they had Paxil back then. 

Now I am older, and my relationship with my mother is good. We are close, but I have my own life. She still is a worry-wort, but I did have to put up some boundaries. I remember when I had my first real full-tim job she called me up to tell me to be carefule not to make typos and errors. I told her that she was going over her boundary and that it was my business. She felt a bit miffed, but she never did it again. My mother is always suspicous of things. She will always think the worse of somebody. I tell her that she is paranoid sometimes, and that it is no way to lead her life. She has had hard times taking care of her mother (which I helped too), and when my grandmother died it was very hard on her. I think now that that is passed, she has let go on some things, realizing that life is short and to enjoy what you have and to have fun. Up until that she was quite a square.  When you are uptight you can't have any fun. 

When your parent(s) is being overprotective, you tell them you appreciate their concern, but you have to learn for yourself sometimes, and set boundaries and call them on it if he or she steps out of line. Most of which is understanding and respect on both sides. 

I pray everyday for my mom's life and happiness, and our good relationship together.  

 
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October 12, 2005, 9:28 pm PDT

Where has your overprotectiveness gotten you?

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I am a very strict mom with a military Marine Corp husband. I trust each of my children is what I said until two weeks ago and even before that I have three children a 16,15, and 13 year olds all three are girls. I let my guard down on several occasions and allowed my 15 year old do what she wanted to do. Our rules are simple and very direct and we do not studder, we said NO DATING untill 16. Well our 15 year old was and still is determined to see this guy we cant do anything about it while they are in school however we can here.I am not going to allow her to sacrafice her future to have present gratification. I do not like nor do I trust her friends the type of people they are I don't want peer pressure to get the best of her, so I dont let her go anywhere and if she wants company they have to come over here, I also moniter phone calls, read her e-mail, and internet use as well as our other two.Now they on the other hand were really great (they still are) until I allowed them to go to another girls home, our 16 year old lost her virginity, as well as our 13 year old due to me giving them rope I have learned my lesson. My 13 year old has a learning disabilty which renders her of making that type of decision and now has us in court for a rape charge against the 17 year old who did this to her. I will say this to Dr Phil. I love you and you have helped me countless times but for you to say we should give our children life lessons that only they can get for themselves yes to a degree you are right. I wanted to add that boys and girls are very different what happens when one of my daughters ends up pregnant? I will end up raising them along with my husband, also there is a such thing called AIDS now for the next 7 years we will have to worry about if they have contracted it, drug use, being kidnapped. I have not had a good nights sleep in three weeks due to this. Our family is at church every Sunday and Wednesday. They have been under the direction of not only us but our pastor and youth pastor. I will say this too I am even more strict than I have ever been. I will not let them out of my sight and nor will thier father... I totally agree with being over protected. If you take a look around the children that can do whatever and go wherever are pretty much diong just that.. I do know that God will protect them however I still worry about everything. My mom was this way and I can understand why and I appreciate her more now than ever.

Your daughter is not allowed to date until she is 16... why? 

  

  

Innocent dates that happen earlier help kids to set boundaries before there is too much pressure to have a physical relationship. My son "dated" his longtime best friend when he was 12 and he came home upset because she wanted him to hold her hand. He felt very comfortable talking to us about it and they both seemed relieved when we explained they could be friends without dating too. He had another "girlfriend" a year later which was abruptly ended when she expected him to pay for the movie they went to see.  

  

These baby steps allowed him and us to have a lot of conversation long before he was at an age to not want us to have any comments about his dates. He's 18 now and managed to get there without entering into a serious enough relationship to have had sex. I think that happened because he was able to talk to us about anything instead of sneaking around. Of his large group of friends, there was only 1 teen pregnancy and it was the daughter of a church elder who only allowed her to be in the company of girl friends. She sneaked around behind his back and was too afraid to go to get birth control in case her dad would find out.  

  

Your 15 yr. old is getting the message from you that her sexuality is completely out of her control. It rests in your hands and in the hands of her boyfriend. You monitor phone calls and read her e-mail... she knows you do this so what are the chances you'll learn anything this way? It's guaranteed to make her angry and resentful and if she hasn't done anything wrong up till now, I'm sure she'll figure out a way to live down to your expectations.  

  

You've more than likely created a climate of lying and deception with the lack of privacy or trust you've given your children. Trust is a very large weapon in the hands of a parent. If given freely, a child will be much less likely to betray it but if it's withheld, a child will likely prove you right.  

  

If my child was with a group of friends I didn't like or trust, I would talk to them about it and try to divert them to other interests but my son is a level headed kid and his friends are wonderful. His best friend is in a punk rock band and looks like something from every parent's nightmare but he's incredibly funny and sensitive and once you get past the look of him, you can see that he's a very good influence.  

  

I should say that my kids were "the only ones" in their class with an iron clad bed time, they must call if they expect to be home late and they eat their vegetables. Friends always tell me how lucky I am to have such well behaved boys but they are also the children who are trusted to do "whatever and go wherever" but they cherish that trust and have yet to break it.  

 
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October 12, 2005, 9:31 pm PDT

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I have never even been to the Dr. P site before just now.  I was just compelled to comment.... 

  

My grandmother was a role model for these women. 

  

I can never convey the embarassment I suffered thru childhood.  In the 70's we had a party line between their house and ours, she would pick up and listen to my conversations. I was 8, talking to my friends about crushes and not liking other kids. At slumber parties she would call so many times, pulling me away from the fun just so she 'could hear my voice'.  Staying with me on the first day of school and sitting in the classrooms. Cheerleading tryouts, meeting a friend at
McDonald's, going to the mall, riding my bike, the skating rink, pizza....you get the idea.  When you are age 8 to 16 and everywhere you go your grandmother is either present or ringing the phone is humilliating.  Throwing terrible fits when she didn't know know where I was or what I was doing until my parents gave in to her demands.  Throwing out ridculous scenarios.  This was before everything on TV was about crime and sex, The Facts of Life and Different Strokes were still prime time.   It was a small town so she knew all the parents and grandparents and could always get a # to where I was or had been. Going anywhere with my uncle (her own son) was like an excorcism.  The tears, the wailing, what ridiculous tantrums.  

  

Good grief at the drama I endured as a child.  Even more grief at the issues I suffer as an adult.   

I get overwhelmed at having to do things alone.  Going out alone, or to a movie, a show, a party alone,... I have to breathe and think and sometimes call a friend and talk it out on the way.  I make myself do the thing that I fear.  I know it is unfounded fear and a product of the overbearing.  Notice I did not say overprotective. 

  

I have control issues in relationships.  They often end badly.  I must say that my emotions, questions, tantrums, suspcion, concern, panic, worry, ......then the inevitable explosion of it all, leads to some inevitable __________.  Choose all that apply....  confusion, anger, things you can't explain and things the other party can't possibly understand..issues in the adult relationship that you really want to have with other adults. And I can't even start a sentence on the internal rollercoaster of "I know I can, but I'm afraid to try"  dialogue I have within myself. 

  

Now, at 34, I live 352 miles away from all my family.  I get immensely annoyed if she calls more than twice a week. My stomach queases when I hear her say "I just wanted to hear your voice."  I only go home on real Holidays and for a short time. I moved out of my parents house when I was 17, and moved 350 miles away in my early 20's. Now I'm 34.  

  

The main reason I moved away was because I would not answer my every move to her any more.  

  

I love my grandmother.  She is a strong woman and has reason for her issues.   

  

I am a good person. I am a great cook. I have a beautiful home. A great life.  A beautiful dog, He does tho have some issues.  

  

I know that she influenced me in all of those things.  

  

My childhhod is over.   

  

I often think that I would be more outgoing, have more self esteem, more confidence,  maybe I would do more things I wanted to do without all the anxiety, and negative inner dialogue, if I had not been made to think that something bad could happen to me at any moment, & not thinking something bad was gonna happen was just being dumb.  I never really relax.  I'm always tense and not comfortable away from my own house. 

  

Maybe I'm putting too much 'blame' in one place.  However, when I trace back why I feel what I feel about whatever the issue it almost always comes to back to her somehow. 

  

I just don't have all the tools to travel fluidly thru life.  

  

But I do try to do a fairly good job with what I do have. 

  

  

  

  

I had an overprotective mother and I think it did play on my confidence too. It was hard for her to let go. Not that I am older, married I have my own life, and I see that my timidness was rediculous and would get me nowhere, I am more confident. Parents must let children experience things in life. If they don't, the child will experience it later anyways, and it will look childish too, but it is a process all kids must go through. They need to let their kids be social, and to make friends, because it is important for us adults to form relationships and to gain trust. My mom didn't trust me, and always grilled me and my brother about everything.  

 I was shy, never wanted to go to places alone, like the movies or a restaurant.  After a time, I realized how this overprotectiveness affected me and I had a revelation that I can change that and be more outgoing and not be afraid. 

 

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October 12, 2005, 9:50 pm PDT

10/12 Overprotective Moms

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It is easy for people that do not have children to give advise.  I am trying the best that I can do with Ashlee.  She is allowed to do some things, but not things that I know could possibly put her in harms way.  We have 2 child molesters in  our neighborhoods.  I do not think of my kids as possessions, but as gifts from God and I am going to make sure that my children are not going to be just another child that ends up hurt or worse murdered by some strange pervert.  So until you have become a parent, then please don't try and give advise.

I saw the previews and I was expecting you to be completely overboard, but I don't think you are.  Dr. Phil seemed to dismiss the fact that there are two sex offenders in your neighborhood.  That's kind of serious.  I wouldn't let my kids out of sight either.   I have little ones still they don't go in the fenced backyard without me. I don't think I'll let them walk to school or ride the bus when they start school.  We live about two blocks from school and I see young kids walking by themselves and I think it's scary.  I can't imagine letting a 14year old ride the bus to the mall.  I do think it's funny you don't trust your husband though! 

 
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October 12, 2005, 10:32 pm PDT

After watching the show.....

I am not sure how I feel after watching the show. I love Dr. Phil, but at the same time I found myself saying, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" "WHAT ARE YOU SAYING". Why would you say a 14 year old be allowed to do anything that day. What message was he sending? We don't all have cameras lurking behind our children. In this case, she is an upstanding 14 year old. The Mom has anxiety but has done a fabulous job in raising her.  The mom was a bit extreme, but on this one I have to say Dr. Phil missed the boat. I would NEVER allow a 14 year old to walk to a bus stop (1, 2, or 5 friends present), let alone ride a city bus. I am from Houston and an adult shouldn't do that! And then to downplay that she has known child molestors in her neighborhood - my children would be sleeping with me with bars on the windows. (Okay, a bit extreme!) Have you not been watching? It is RARE a child molestor is over his preying on young children. There were alot of things about this show that just didn't set well with me. Even now, I find myself unable to fully express how I felt about this. I am one who has been raped, so I KNOW I am looking through cloudy glasses, but I also know there are certain things children shouldn't do. At 14 they are still children. Maybe going to a mall, where there are crowds and she is with friends, but I would drop them off AND pick them up - no walking to a bus.  This young girl was a wonderfully adjusted 14 yo, but it's not only the children you have to watch. She is no match for a predator who wants her. I just think alot was missed on today's show. Great job with the 40 something woman, but when you are talking about children - it is our job to protect them and keep them safe. Not to be judgemental Dr. Phil, but I feel strongly about this, infact I have writted to you about how to keep a balance. I have now learned, somewhat, but I would rather err on the side of caution and have an upset teenager/child who doesn't get to do as much as her friends, than to be the mother on the news begging someone somewhere to bring back my child.
 
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October 12, 2005, 10:35 pm PDT

teresa gives home schooling a bad name

teresa's reasons for homeschooling (as she said on the show) are the reason so many home schooling families have so many problems with family and friends.  we are a homeschool family for the past 4 years, and eveyone always has the same first thought, "what about socialization?"  we do not keep our son locked away for 8 hours a day with nobody but his dad and myself around.  we homeschool because we believe it gives our son the best possible education.   he is in many more social activities than when he was in the public school system and is learning valuable life lessons.  next month he is going to south america with our church's youth group on a mission trip.  i know teresa loves her daughter and only wants what is best for her, but in the end, a parent's job if they have done their job well, is to become obsolete.
 
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