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(Original Air Date: 10/12/05) They won’t let you walk down the street alone.  They call your house five times a day, screen your calls, and monitor your every move. It’s not the FBI; it’s mothers! When 14-year-old Ashlee was on the show nearly two years ago, she said her mother, Teresa, was embarrassing and strict, and she wanted it to stop. Now she’s back and says her mom still won’t allow her to have any freedom. See the assignment Dr. Phil gave them that brought Teresa to tears. Plus, meet a 43-year old woman who says her mother is so overprotective, she calls the police if she comes home late. Can her mom learn how to let go? Share your thoughts.

 

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October 13, 2005, 6:41 am PDT

My grandma is the same way...

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After watching today's show, I feel a little bit better, knowing that my situation isn't completely unheard of.  I am a twenty-six year old female, who has "mom" issues.  Growing up as an only child gave me a special bond with my parents, which I love, but sometimes having your mother as your best friend can make life difficult.  I was raised in such a way as to not talk back, and to do everything I was told, and unfortunatelly, this has carried over into my adulthood.  

  

Over the years, I've gotten a bit braver, and although I'm too nice to tell her to quit ordering me around, I have tried some psychological experiments on our relationship.  I've tried to create boundaries on our conversations (I avoid telling her anything that she might criticize, or that she sees as a weakness).  At first, this seemed to work well...I was able to get away from calling her every day.  In return, she decided to make our conversations extremely cold, and awkward to the point where she would only talk for a couple of minutes, then make up an excuse to hang up the phone.  I didn't want it to turn out like that, so I called her one day, and apologized.  Now, I'm back in the same old trap, and feel hopeless about ever having a normal relationship with her. 

  

This issue has caused problems between my fiancee, and I.  My parents have never really liked him, because he's not what they had in mind for me.  They wanted me to be with someone who has good looks, a high paying job, and a lofty education.  Did they mention anything about being a good, and kind person?  No.  They would rather see me with my ex boyfriend, who was physically abusive, but by gosh, he has a computer science degree and makes good money!  I can't understand why any parent would even suggest such a thing...it makes me sad.  I sometimes feel like my parents pick apart my relationship with my current fiancee, in hopes of splitting us up.  There have been times when my fiancee has told me that he doesn't know how much more of this he can take.  He knows how my parents feel about him.  I have tried pointing out all the positive attributes, but it is still not good enough. 

  

The last part of this problem is one that's been going on for the majority of my life.  My mom likes to make suggestions, even when I'm not asking for her advice  She will come up with what she perceives as a great idea, and insist that I do it.  I usually make the mistake of giving her "lip service" just to move on to a different topic of discussion, but then she will nag me for weeks (or even years) about whatever this idea happens to be.  A great example of this is that she doesn't like my current job, and is constantly emailing me links to other employment opportunities.  I especially *like* it when she sends me jobs that pay less than what I currently make, and are several hours away from where I'm living!  She purposely finds jobs that are close to where she lives, and insists that I need to move closer to "home".   This is so twisted!  She's also famous for "bubble bursting"...I will get excited about something that I'm doing, or planning to do, and she will always find something negative about it.  The current example of this is that I am getting ready to go back to school to finish my degree in social science (with the end goal of becoming a family therapist of some type).  While she has been actually encouraging me to go back to school for the past two years, she is now trying to get me to change my college major (again).  She doesn't want me to pursue this degree, because she doesn't think therapists make much money...while this may be true, therapists make decent money, and it is something that I would enjoy for a career.  Not only that, but I only have two quarters left before I graduate.  It's almost like she doesn't want me to "finish" anything...strange.  The worst part of this is how she pulls a "180" on me...where she tells me she wants me to do one thing, and as I'm doing that very thing, she decides that she wants me to do something completely different.  It's so distructive, and I never get anywhere when I listen to her.  It makes me mad when she goes around, telling everyone that I never finish anything!  I am only following her directions (because she gets so nasty when I don't do what she wants me to do).  I have gotten to a point, where I don't want to let her know what my plans are, just so she can't ruin them.  

  


I just hope that I can get out of this mess, before I'm 50 years old! 

  

  

My grandma does the same kind of things. For example, I got pregnant and was diagnosed as high risk, so I had to quit working. Needless to say, we quickly realize we couldn't live on my husband's $9.00 an hour, so we moved out of our apartment into a very nice subsidized housing townhouse that had three bedrooms and was twice the size as the apartment we had been living in. My grandmother was appalled that we would move into government housing "with all those poor people." My grandmother has a real problem with people who don't have a lot of education or make a lot of money. They have never liked my dad or my husband because they only have a high school education and work blue collar jobs (my dad's a welder and my husband works in a warehouse). She's constantly clipping out ads from the paper of land or houses for sale and has even said she would buy it for us and let us pay her back. I keep telling her that we like our townhouse and don't want to buy a house, but she won't listen. She's always making comments about the people in our apartment community too. Everyone in our community has kids and are pretty much nice people. I recently had a baby and so she has been coming over to help me out during the day and she won't even let my son go play with the other kids in the neighborhood (he is five and they play right behind our townhouse in plain sight). She's afraid he'll learn something bad from the "poor" kids. She doesn't want him trick or treating around our neighborhood either because she's afraid that the "poor" people will poison his candy. Of course, her neighborhood is safe to trick or treat in because it is all rich people. She drives me crazy. She's also famous for "bubble-bursting" with any idea we come up with. I considered a Montessori school for son when he starts next year because he doesn't do well in a traditional classroom environment and I thought he would benefit from the more "hands-on" learning experience he would get in a Montessori school. Of course, she poo-pooed that idea. We had also talked about moving to Columbus (we currently live 30 miles outside of Cincinnati) because they had a job opening for my husband that would pay substantially more. I won't even list all of the reasons she gave us why that was a bad idea. Just know that you aren't alone. My advice, just stop telling her anything but exactly what she wants to hear.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:49 am PDT

Change is possible.

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I had an overprotective mother and I think it did play on my confidence too. It was hard for her to let go. Not that I am older, married I have my own life, and I see that my timidness was rediculous and would get me nowhere, I am more confident. Parents must let children experience things in life. If they don't, the child will experience it later anyways, and it will look childish too, but it is a process all kids must go through. They need to let their kids be social, and to make friends, because it is important for us adults to form relationships and to gain trust. My mom didn't trust me, and always grilled me and my brother about everything.  

 I was shy, never wanted to go to places alone, like the movies or a restaurant.  After a time, I realized how this overprotectiveness affected me and I had a revelation that I can change that and be more outgoing and not be afraid. 

Gaining self confidence can still be done. Sometimes things like learning a new skill, can have great impact on self esteem. Your first solo flight, or belt in the martial arts or do something you have never done before. Surround yourself with positive happy people. Develop your instincts about others. I talk to whoever is in line with me at a grocery store just to pass the time. Sometimes they can be very interesting or funny. Occasionally, I find a schizophrenic or bipolar person, but they are rarely dangerous. Be aware in parking lots. Write notes to your self on the mirror about what a terrific person you are. List you skills and kind heart etc. Find a good therapist. One that will give you a list of books that may help. Be direct and tell your parents what their boundaries are. The cold language is not that of love, but of the need to control. That is not loving behavior. That is cruel. My ex husband used to "give me the silent treatment". I would get on the phone and talk to friends and leave the house and do fun things. Once he saw he couldn't make my miserable, he stopped the behavior. You may never completely change their behavior, just remember you are not responsible for who your parents are. Adopt another old couple who like you and enjoy them, if you like. Good luck. Hope this helps. M.
 
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October 13, 2005, 7:09 am PDT

I wish someone would have been there

There seems to be no balance... I didn't have an overprotective mom, I had one who was so naive she didn't know what was going on... honestly, she had no clue. She was overly trusting, assumed we had the "tools" to be safe and secure, life was beautiful and innocent to her.  

  

She was a mother of the 1940s raised without a mother (her mother died at childbirth) and truth be known, she didn't know how to be a mother because she in essence raised herself - no role model. 

  

The effects of an overly trusting and naive parent are many - perhaps more than the overprotected. There are still times I wish I could cuddle in her arms and cry... I don't know if I ever will get over that. 

 

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October 13, 2005, 7:58 am PDT

You hubby should be the one setting the boundaries

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OK, heres the deal.  I have an 11 year old step daughter, whom I have been raising since she was 4.  with some  help from my husband, and little help from her mom.  her mom lets her run wild, in fear of kiddo stomping her feet, and being mad at her. well this puts me in the position of always being the enforcer, no make-up until 13, no belly shirts until further notice, wear your glasses, do your chores or no allowance, do your homework, keep your room clean, be nice to your brothers, and honest to pete, she just fights me about everthing, and I am turning into the biggest nag.  But no one else will do it.  Just as soon as she gets to her moms for the weekend visit, she plasters on the make-up, puts on the sexy little shirts, and struts her thing down to the local park or library without adult supervision, I know times and fasions have changed. So long story short, should I lax a bit with her, or stick to my guns, and come off as the controlling wicked step mom?  I NEED AN OPINION ON THIS

If you've ever read Dr. Phil's book Family First or listened to him on the show he will tell you  it is not good for you to be the enforcer.  I used to not agree with him but now I have seen exactly what he is talking about.  I have 2 sons my husband has helped me raise for 10 yrs.  They are almost 19 & 15.  In the beginning I was their boss but as time went on he became the one to lay down the law and make it stick.  I sat back and watched thinking I was doing the right thing but we were so wrong.  My oldest left home weeks before he graduated H/S and it almost ripped us apart.  He needed to get that independence from his step-father.  They still have issues to resolve, and they are working on it, but the damage was done by him being the one to discipline.  It was unfair for them both.   As for our other son we talk privately as to what he should and should not be allowed to do and what the rules are, but I am the enforcer.  I see good things happening with this, the walls are coming down and they are allowed to have better relationship.  He gets to be the good guy and it's back to the way it was before, what mom says goes. 

    Even though you've raised her since she was 4, her mother is undermining everything you are doing.  Talk to your husband and make him step up to the plate and enforce these rules.  He needs to let her know that he is in agreement on these things and they are not just your rules.  The only way to make her see that is for him to be the one to enforce them.  He also needs to speak with her mother and they need to agree on what is proper and improper for her at this age, comprimise where you can but if you could all agree on the same rules she would benefit from it.   

  

 
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October 13, 2005, 7:58 am PDT

10/12 Overprotective Moms

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Watched the show today and saw that the mother was so protective but when the girl got a chance to walk a block, ride the bus, go the mall, etc. it looked to me as though her skirt was way TOO short. Looks like she would be a target for an unwelcome advance!!     kittymommy

The skirt had built in shorts underneath them and they would not let her change before she left to go to the mall.  She had only 5 minutes and then she had to leave, so I was not to pleased with the skirt either.   

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:04 am PDT

10/12 Overprotective Moms

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Dr. Phil - to bad you didn't have another child and show the dramatic difference in what good kids can do.  This young girl seems like a great kid - but her mom's treatment of her is one step short of locking her in cage.  At the age of 14 1/2 I sent my grandson who lives with us to China for 5 weeks.  He met a friend he hadn't seen in  2 1/2 years at LAX and then the flew to Guangzhou (formerly Canton).  I'd had taken him on 4 international trips before this - that included China one time.  But, I thought it would be a great experience for him.  No question that has given him a lot of self confidence.  This makes going to the mall - look tame 

  

My sister in law handled her daughter like this woman - and when she was legal age - one day she eloped.  No one even knew she had a boy friend.   

  

You can only lock them up so long - before they either run or start the countdown - graduate from High School and I'm out of here......  Gone   

  

I hope this mom gets a life - because she's choking it out of her daughter. 

I do have a life, and that is to take care of my kids.  Ashlee does have somethings that she is able to do as long as parents are involved.   My daughter is not so locked up that she has no freedom.  This world we live in now adays is a sad world, so I will be this way with my kids as long as the world is the way that it is.
 
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October 13, 2005, 8:11 am PDT

Homeschooling!!!

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teresa's reasons for homeschooling (as she said on the show) are the reason so many home schooling families have so many problems with family and friends.  we are a homeschool family for the past 4 years, and eveyone always has the same first thought, "what about socialization?"  we do not keep our son locked away for 8 hours a day with nobody but his dad and myself around.  we homeschool because we believe it gives our son the best possible education.   he is in many more social activities than when he was in the public school system and is learning valuable life lessons.  next month he is going to south america with our church's youth group on a mission trip.  i know teresa loves her daughter and only wants what is best for her, but in the end, a parent's job if they have done their job well, is to become obsolete.
Ashlee does all the activities that I can put her into in regards to homeschooling.  She went to Catalina for 3 days with her class, she was in a play that took over 3 months to do, so yes I allow her to do as much stuff possible with the program I have her in.  The producers knew all that and they choose to not use it.  If you noticed when Dr. Phil asked me about activites I started to answer him and then he interupted me.  So I did not want to give Homeschooling a bad name.  My daughter has gotten the best education through both programs she has been in.
 
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October 13, 2005, 8:25 am PDT

10/12 Overprotective Moms

Quote From: chicyuna

 Theresa, I just wanted to say that I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention with my advice. I was simply giving my advice based on the wonderful, loving relationship I have with my mother. And I would not change what I have with her for the world. You have a very bright, young woman as a daughter. As a matter of fact, she reminded me of myself when I was her age. Although I see a very loving relationship the two of you have, I can also see the frustration she has with your overprotectiveness. Everyone could. She was almost on the verge of tears! I know you are trying to do your best with Ashlee, and I applaud you coming onto the show. That was very brave of you. But think about what it will be like when she gets older. It seems to me like she would rebel against you, and I'm most certain you wouldn't want that. I understand you are trying to protect her from the bad in this world, like most parents would. However, by being overprotective, Ashlee is not getting the chance to experience life, and see the beautiful side of it. Wouldn't you want to have a great relationship with her when she gets older? Wouldn't it be great for the two of you to sit down, and talk about things that girls do? Like boys, and life, and clothes, things like that? Now, from what I've seen (and please understand that the one problem with the show is that it's only for a short amount of time that we get a glimpse into your life) you might not have that with her. She might start hiding things from you, and not telling you things that you, as a parent, needs to know. I know you say that she's a good child, and she really does seem like one, but sometimes, even good kids do things that'll shock their parents. I know you live by 2 child molesters, and I'm sorry for that, but like some other people have suggested, have you ever thought about moving? Or perhaps joining a committee to get rid of them in your neighbourhood? Have you taught Ashlee what to do if she ever gets into a sticky situation? I was quite pleased when Dr. Phil suggested getting her into a self defence class. I think all people, especially women, should take one. It's a wonderful idea. Anyways, like I said, I'm sorry if I offended you. I know you are trying to do your best with Ashlee, and you seem like a very loving mother who just wants to protect her children. But Ashlee is her own individual with a mind of her own, and she just wants to spread out her wings. And you can help her achieve that. I wish you and her all the best, and I will keep you in my thoughts. I hope Dr. Phil has you on again, so we can see the progress you're making. Good luck. :D

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Thanks, 

Ashlee and I have a great relationship and she tells me everything from boys to shoes.  I do want my daughter to grow up to be her own person, but this world makes it so hard for parents to do that.  The child moletsers really have rights and you are limited on what you can say and do, our they can come back around and sue you.  I have looked into that, but now a days they are in almost every neighboorhood, so I would have to be constantly moving.  Ashlee has done stuff with her school with out me.  She went to camp for 3 days and believe it or not I was not there.  I think if this world was different like when I was growing up, I could be more relaxed with her.  This world we live in had became a sad place, so now we all have to do things abit differntly.  I hope I am able to change a little for her. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:34 am PDT

10/12 Overprotective Moms

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That is not where an American flag is to be used. People who use the fllag should always display it properly, not as a sofa cover or a garment. Respect the flag, don,t just wave it!
Excuse me I do respect the flag, if you noticed I have dozens all around my fence.  That  was a throw blanket that I had on my sofa.  Sorry you feel that I was being disrespectful to the American flag but I love our country including our flag.
 
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October 13, 2005, 8:49 am PDT

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It made me sad that the mother of Ashlee was so distraunt. She needs counciling. She apparently doesn't trust the way she raised her daughter and will make Ashlee a social cripple because Ashlee will not have the self confidence to function unless she has the approval of her mother. This could damage her for years and years. Or she will start rebelling and do things she wouldn't otherwise do. If the mother is so worried about Ashlee going to the mall, etc. she should have her wear her skirts a little longer. That skirt was pretty short!
First of all my daughter is one of the most sociable child I have ever seen.  She talks to everyone.  She went to a private school for 6 years and was very popular.  The skirt had shorts built into it and she asked if she could change it before she left and they said no. 
 
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